Bloody Aussies!
Ange Postecoglou | New Spurs boss on 4 year contract
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It's hard to believe they've been consistently lucky over multiple seasons and different managers.
He has stopped winning so the people using him to bash EtH will stop and the people who hate Spurs will now call him a fraud. On the whole, he's done fairly well for the new manager of a team that just sold one of its greatest ever players.
They've played City well several times but also pulled off some of the most improbable results you'll ever see given the chances involved.
Mourinho was the real master.
I am amazed with Spurs going toe to toe with City. That's what a good manager can do. Hopefully it is not an Ole effect and he continues to entertain. How on earth does Spurs do it? Can we hire Levy to United? Signing cheap players and selling them to exorbitant fee and hiring unknown great manager. Even though Spurs' fan knows they aren't going to great this season, they are likely happier and celebrating success more than United.
If in some strange universe we were gonna hire Levy - we should have done it before Kane went to Bayern.
Levy also tried to get Ten Hag…
He did like every other club that holds interviews. In fact Levy decided to not hire ETH. Going by the news of course.
I respect a manager who sticks to what he knows best and not tries to do build something that suits the existing players. It helps in the way that the players not capable of performing in that setup will be shipped out and you get others who could do a far better job. Keeps the players on their toes and that helps in developing an identity. All of the successful coaches do that.
As @bond19821982 said earlier, he could very well get a good amount of beatings and he could tweak it a bit. But it won't be a complete turnover in style.
As @bond19821982 said earlier, he could very well get a good amount of beatings and he could tweak it a bit. But it won't be a complete turnover in style.
A lot of Spurs fans were tired of Levy just a few months ago. Shows how quickly things can change in football. Also let's not forget Spurs have gotten one point from their last 4 games now.
He carries some incredible luck at times that’s for sure. Again benefiting massively from another refereeing blunder yesterday.
Around about where they should be in the table now I think, so I guess the 'he is the next messiah' trolls have stopped at least.
Would have been interesting to see them through this period if they didn't have most of the core spine of the team injured or suspended. I think they were the better team against Villa to be fair to them, but that is football, City should have put them to bed in the first half. They ended up with a loss to Villa and a draw with City.
Would have been interesting to see them through this period if they didn't have most of the core spine of the team injured or suspended. I think they were the better team against Villa to be fair to them, but that is football, City should have put them to bed in the first half. They ended up with a loss to Villa and a draw with City.
Decent draw against city. They actually went at them and didn’t just sit back. Obvs they was pinned back quite a lot in the first half but showed some courage in the 2nd. That’s without their main creator Maddison. Could have even beat them without the mistakes
It’s crazy. He’s now seen as a good person to run a club because his current manager is having a purple patch. His history is littered with mistakes, he hired Mourinho AFTER United .
Then we’ll see how his current manager works out or is he going to end up like Conte and Mourinho.
Then hired Conte who clearly never wanted to be there.
And he hired Nuno
Or maybe, you shouldn't go overboard on criticism after a bad run or some bad decisions?
Levy isn't a manager, but he does set the tone in deciding the progress of the club. I think it's hard to argue with where they were when they took over as a club compared to now. Stadium, revenue, reputation, pulling power are all vastly improved. They've slowly worked themselves into a team who can regularly compete with big clubs who have much more money, and are now locked in there as having a team with lots of money as well.
So then why is he being praised for yesterday's game?
Reverse situation, isn't it? City couldn't take their chances and Spurs got way more than they deserved.
He deserves praise for his approach and sticking to what he believes will bring results in the long-term.
xG tells you which side created better chances but that's not the full story. He went to City away with a depleted side and tried to play, we weren't overly good at it as the xG suggests but the intent was there. He didn't just have his side bunker in with 10 and hope to stay in the game, he persisted with a high line, high pressing and looked to play through them. City should have been out of sight in the first half but the 2nd half was pretty equal, Spurs stuck at it and in the end their bravery bought themselves a bit of luck.
Don't think anyone would say this if City took more of their good chances. It could have been 4-1 at half time.
That said, he's true to his word and doesn't compromise and that deserves respect.
Luck favors the bold. He could've sat back and played cowardly football like we do 90% of the time we face city but didn't and got a point. Kudos to them.
No one would say that either if Chelsea score 7 or 8 goals against them, which they very well could've.
Giving your side the best chances of salvaging something out of a game like City away by choosing a more pragmatic will not influence your long-term plans.
I agree.
Ange so far is basically Bielsa with better players.
They're fun to watch but its not a sustainable approach in the long run, both because you'll have times in a season when you need to be more pragmatic and because the tactical setup is highly dependent on your team running harder than the other team every match, which you might be able to do for a season in which everybody is excited and you're not playing in Europe but you can't really keep up for multiple years in a row.
They're fun to watch but its not a sustainable approach in the long run, both because you'll have times in a season when you need to be more pragmatic and because the tactical setup is highly dependent on your team running harder than the other team every match, which you might be able to do for a season in which everybody is excited and you're not playing in Europe but you can't really keep up for multiple years in a row.
They'll barely keep it up for a season.
Its part of the reason why they are suffering with so many injuries as well.
Ange has them working hard of course, but he also is burning them very hard and pushing their fitness levels to the limit. He needs to introduce more control to his play, to make Spurs better equipped for a longer season. And I do think Ange will invest in players that allow Spurs to hold the ball in advanced areas, for longer.
Another area where I think Ange will adapt is in his build up strategies, beyond just going short. If you look at most modern possession teams like City, Liverpool, Brighton, and yes even United, you see a variation in their first phase. Its important and almost a necessity for success at the highest level now.
I think what's important for Spurs this season, is to get into the European spots, even the Europa League. This allows them to continue investing in the squad, firstly giving them quality rotation, and then allowing them to go for the big players once they are back in the Champions League.
Because you should attempt suicidal football so long as you get away with it and at the end of the season you get "yesssshhh we go for it trophy" from Louis van Gaal.
He's 14 games in, you want to see an evolution of play before he's even had enough time to instil a base approach. What were Pep and Klopp doing in their first season? I don't recall them swaying from their principles and setting up differently depending on the opposition. Spurs beat both of them 4-1 early in their respective tenures but they didn't suddenly adapt their approach, they used that first season to build a foundation for what they are now. Even Arteta was probably only working on 18 different formations a game at that point and now look at him.
Yeah, fully agreed. He will have to adjust his tactics over time. He seems like a smart manager so I think he may be up to it.
What really sticks out statistically about current Tottenham is that they are the only side other than Bielsa's Leeds that I can ever remember being one of the league leaders in both possession and tackles. You almost always see a very strong inverse relationship between those two for obvious reasons - you can only tackle when you don't have the ball. But Bielsa's Leeds led the table in tackles while also being one of the top 3-4 possession sides and Ange's Spurs are the same. Its basically manic unstructured football - you want to have the ball and you push lots of players high when you have it and you look to make aggressive passes rather than keep possession and then when you lose the ball everybody just flies around trying to get it back as quickly as possible rather than focusing on falling back into a defensive structure. Even Klopp's Liverpool in their most energetic heyday were nothing like this in terms of reliance on tackling.
Yeah you can see the basic foundations are in place, much like Klopp, Pep and even Arteta.
What I would find most encouraging though, is how Ange adapts his tactical approach for the situation at hand. He put on Hojberg to give Spurs more midfield cover, and that forced City to either go long or build wide. If you look at the 2-2 equaliser, you see that it was from a midfield turnover as well. Good management.
Ange is doing well, and I expect him to adapt to the Premier League too. Which will make Spurs a title contender to City, along with Liverpool and Arsenal.
Yeah, the mad Chelsea game has built this narrative around Ange now that he's basically just playing YOLO football but if anyone watched our games before that, we had a pretty consistent pattern of starting games with the energy and exuberance of youth but then calming things down around the 60 minute mark with older heads like Davies, Hojbjerg, Perisic etc. With all the injuries though to what was already a pretty slim squad, his options are greatly limited.
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Yes and thank goodness Martin Jol advised Daniel not to. The panel had concerns with how ETH communicated his ideas during the interview.
Tired of him? Mate we were protesting and singing "get out of our club" 22 years and 1 league cup. You think you've got it bad with the Glaziers? Levy hired 3 defensive coaches in a row and did not give them what they need to succeed (which they probably can't now anyway because football has changed).
Mourinho asked for Skriniar and got given Rodon from Swansea, that is classic Levy. Conte wanted Bastoni and we got a Barca reject on loan.
Now, having chanced upon the right man - Levy is doing fan forums and most fans are back onside because he appointed the right manager (more by luck than judgement as with Poch and Redknapp, our first choice this time was Arne Slot).
Mark my words, your saying the board and structure at United is the problem, but this is only contextually true. If you get the right manager with the right idea, everything changes. Ange has galvanised everything at Spurs. Yes 1 point in 4 but we are in 5th and can see so clearly what the idea is. I have no ****ing clue what ETH is trying to do, and not sure he does either.
ETH should be sacked. Your poll being 50/50 completely blows my mind. I think it is criminal what he is getting away with since the league cup win. If Spurs lost 7-0 to Arsenal, multiple heads would roll. The football being played and surrendering of possession is just ridiculous having spent £400m. Spurs once lost 5-0 to Liverpool and AVB was sacked within 24 hours.
How have standards at United been allowed to drop so low in the fanbase. I think you do have collective PTSD.
Your next manager must have 1. exceptional man management 2. a clear philosophy of attacking football. That squad is in a massively false position, no doubt about it.
Yes and thank goodness Martin Jol advised Daniel not to. The panel had concerns with how ETH communicated his ideas during the interview.
Tired of him? Mate we were protesting and singing "get out of our club" 22 years and 1 league cup. You think you've got it bad with the Glaziers? Levy hired 3 defensive coaches in a row and did not give them what they need to succeed (which they probably can't now anyway because football has changed).
Mourinho asked for Skriniar and got given Rodon from Swansea, that is classic Levy. Conte wanted Bastoni and we got a Barca reject on loan.
Now, having chanced upon the right man - Levy is doing fan forums and most fans are back onside because he appointed the right manager (more by luck than judgement as with Poch and Redknapp, our first choice this time was Arne Slot).
Mark my words, your saying the board and structure at United is the problem, but this is only contextually true. If you get the right manager with the right idea, everything changes. Ange has galvanised everything at Spurs. Yes 1 point in 4 but we are in 5th and can see so clearly what the idea is. I have no ****ing clue what ETH is trying to do, and not sure he does either.
ETH should be sacked. Your poll being 50/50 completely blows my mind. I think it is criminal what he is getting away with since the league cup win. If Spurs lost 7-0 to Arsenal, multiple heads would roll. The football being played and surrendering of possession is just ridiculous having spent £400m. Spurs once lost 5-0 to Liverpool and AVB was sacked within 24 hours.
How have standards at United been allowed to drop so low in the fanbase. I think you do have collective PTSD.
Your next manager must have 1. exceptional man management 2. a clear philosophy of attacking football. That squad is in a massively false position, no doubt about it.
The xG for Spurs' goals is low but the chances don't strike me as particularly bad or unlikely.
"ah but the number says t--" it's just a model. It's not reality. It works best in the aggregate.
Yeah, I'm not sure I can really trust a model that rated Son's goal as less probable than Garnacho's.
One thing these models really struggle with is properly accounting for the positioning of defenders. They quite rightly try to include the presence of defenders either contesting shots or blocking off parts of the goal in the model. But the precision with which they judge whether defenders are really negatively impacting chance quality can leave a lot to be desired. I think the Son goal is probably an example: Son is being sort of harassed by Doku but not in a way that really puts him off and there is another defender who gets back but he is mainly blocking a square ball and not really positioned between Son and the far post, therefore cutting down the amount of goal he has to aim at. I bet the model is overweighting their impact on the play.
“Overboard”? You mean like people are going overboard because the current manager he’s hired after multiple sackings and failures has had a 3-3 with City as a consequence of a poor refereeing decision?
Ye Gods.
Solid post, mate. With a proper slice of realism. Gawd knows what will happen with Ten Hag or the next United manager, but it is a lottery.
What do you think of our squad in general? Misfiring Rashford, Antony with one leg, players injured all over the sheet, Onana howlers, Varane out in the cold for unknown reasons.
Several things wrong with your post
1. The use of the word pragmatic. Why do you assume a PL manager is not sensible in the selection of his game tactics?
2. His side aren't used to playing defensive football. He gave his side the best chance of success by letting them play in the way they know how to play best
3. Forcing your side to play a certain way even against top opposition can be a positive for you in the long term. Mistakes made can be watched on film and corrected in training. What was done well can be reinforced. And it strengthens the identity of the team.
You can't switch your plans from team to team. You can adjust your match day tactics slightly depending on the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition. But if you are a proactive team there is little point in turning into Stoke just because City are in town. And City routinely pump goals past the Stokes of the world.