Ange Postecoglou | New Spurs boss on 4 year contract

There are some really bad faith arguments being put forward here as usual. Most of us who knew of Ange and called him a good coach werent claiming he was going to win the league etc. We mostly pushed back at the idea he couldnt coach because he hadnt done so at a top club before. We were pointing out that where ever he went he had teams playing good footy.
A few losses and the knives come out.
 
Why is he all of a sudden being criticized? When he had his full squad available, they were unbeaten, playing arguably the best football in Europe.
 
It's almost as if injuries drastically affect your team's ability to run football games.

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Stack said:
There are some really bad faith arguments being put forward here as usual. Most of us who knew of Ange and called him a good coach werent claiming he was going to win the league etc. We mostly pushed back at the idea he couldnt coach because he hadnt done so at a top club before. We were pointing out that where ever he went he had teams playing good footy.
A few losses and the knives come out.
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Stack said:
Its their best start to a season since 1965.
So many were predicting he would struggle and he clearly isnt.
Its a long season, They wont be at the top when the season ends but he has given Spurs fans something to be happy about.
Wish he was here instead of the fraud we have
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Stack said:
Laughable from you at this point.
ETH is a complete mug. He had a free hit in the transfer market and screwed it up completely. Compare his transfer budgets with Spurs budgets.
Are you watching how we play and how our best players are performing? ETH has got them and us going backwards.
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You do know that we can read your past posts? Like, it’s a ten second search.
 
NinjaZombie said:
It's almost as if injuries drastically affect your team's ability to run football games.

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It affects their result, but it doesn't look like Spurs has been clueless about moving the ball, developing attacking play now unlike before. Their luck seems to run out now where they're less clinical, and they can continue get away with nonsense defending like before. The sign of defensive weaknesses were there even before these 3 consecutive defeats.

Some people might have overrated Spurs ability to have a title contender season, but it's overreaction to imply they're clueless without a game plan. This game, had they secured a point it would still have been a fair result for their performance, and Aston Villa is doing well themselves.
 
ti vu said:
It affects their result, but it doesn't look like Spurs has been clueless about moving the ball, developing attacking play now unlike before. Their luck seems to run out now where they're less clinical, and they can continue get away with nonsense defending like before. The sign of defensive weaknesses were there even before these 3 consecutive defeats.

Some people might have overrated Spurs ability to have a title contender season, but it's overreaction to imply they're clueless without a game plan. This game, had they secured a point it would still have been a fair result for their performance, and Aston Villa is doing well themselves.
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Spurs should have been out of sight, several goals disallowed for offside. With Kane they probably win that match 4-0. First 10-15 minutes of second half Spurs were at 95% possession, had to remind myself they were playing Villa and not Burnley. Also playing lovely football. Sure they are far from finished articles but despite a ton of injuries, and more during the game, they were very good and very unlucky.
 
It's not that bad of a loss. Villa are a good team, they're literally in the top 4. Anges other losses weren't exactly through Spurs playing badly.
 
ti vu said:
It affects their result, but it doesn't look like Spurs has been clueless about moving the ball, developing attacking play now unlike before. Their luck seems to run out now where they're less clinical, and they can continue get away with nonsense defending like before. The sign of defensive weaknesses were there even before these 3 consecutive defeats.

Some people might have overrated Spurs ability to have a title contender season, but it's overreaction to imply they're clueless without a game plan. This game, had they secured a point it would still have been a fair result for their performance, and Aston Villa is doing well themselves.
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I’d say every manager in the league can play attacking football if they don’t care about leaving themselves wide open at the back. The footballing world has already had this conversation with Leeds and Biesla.
Villa should have scored 4/5 themselves. It’s not a great shout
 
cyberman said:
I’d say every manager in the league can play attacking football if they don’t care about leaving themselves wide open at the back. The footballing world has already had this conversation with Leeds and Biesla.
Villa should have scored 4/5 themselves. It’s not a great shout
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That's clearly a wrong project from your part. I meant when one team is down a goal, or two, the other managers are just happy with the defeat and care more about not conceding another instead of turn the key to play attacking football that generate enough chances that could stake a claim about deserving a point?

As much as Aston Villa created this game, Tottenham also created about the same. And we're talking about a weakened Tottenham side against an almost full strength Aston Villa.
 
FriedClams said:
Why is he all of a sudden being criticized? When he had his full squad available, they were unbeaten, playing arguably the best football in Europe.
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Mainly because of hyperbolic nonsense like this post to be honest. I don't think anyone's got any issues with the guy or Spurs, it's maybe a bit of bitterness (on my part and others) at the -extreme- levels of criticism Manchester United get in comparison when our injuries are often twice as bad, but as we don't get a pass from the media, our fans, or opposition fans, and well- why would we - why should anyone else.

It's not nice or anything but it doesn't help when some teams (spurs and Brighton) get seemingly -too much- praise. Spurs were NOT playing "the best football in Europe" at -any point- this season, we outplayed them for large periods at their ground, had a stonewall pen denied and battered them first half, and they had some huge, huge slices of luck at times in games that they played extremely badly in but found a way to win, which is to their credit but doesn't really suggest to me any level of brilliance beyond our own. Now they have injuries similar to us and are going to fall like a stone, which anyone could see coming but it's still sort of caveated by a lot of defenders saying "b-b-but when they had their full first team out they were great!'.
 
FriedClams said:
Why is he all of a sudden being criticized? When he had his full squad available, they were unbeaten, playing arguably the best football in Europe.
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really? They were lucky in most of their games and played with caution thrown to wind but to say "Playing arguably the best football"...Nah.
 
Scroto Baggins said:
Surely Spurs have some star up and coming CB's in the academy that would be better than Royal at CB?
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We have Ashley Phillips who we signed from Blackburn in the summer but he just got injured as well.

Emerson actually did alright yesterday but yeah, not an ideal scenario.
 
Remains to be seen if this guy's just a one trick pony or if he has other aces up his sleeve now that things have gotten a bit tougher.

He's not managing a dominant Celtic side anymore so he can't afford to be too naive with his tactics. I've not watched all of their games so won't even pretend to be an expert on Ange & Spurs but to me it looks like other teams have just learnt a bit better how to counter their tactics whereas earlier in the season their playing style still caught opponents by surprise. Obviously the injuries haven't helped either but injuries happen to everyone and aren't a great excuse to hide behind.
 
ti vu said:
That's clearly a wrong project from your part. I meant when one team is down a goal, or two, the other managers are just happy with the defeat and care more about not conceding another instead of turn the key to play attacking football that generate enough chances that could stake a claim about deserving a point?

As much as Aston Villa created this game, Tottenham also created about the same. And we're talking about a weakened Tottenham side against an almost full strength Aston Villa.
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Villa have 2/3 first teamers out for the season and were playing away from home and scored 2 goals while missing 2 other can’t miss chances while hitting the post twice (I think)
Plus the one goal they scored took a massive deflection, I wouldn’t call them unlucky.
Being caught offside by Villa isn’t unlucky, it’s how Villa play and have been well drilled and being caught in that trap is a matter of coaching.
To me it seems as if fans set their stalls out early here and it needs more results and performances for reality to bite either way.
They had an alright first few games but they’ve been getting caught out well before these 3 losses, it’s been a long time coming. Going a goal up via OG v Palace without having a shot on target until the 80th odd minute, robbing Liverpool of points etc, even the mad Sheff Utd game was another get out of jail free card.
Hard to give them the luck excuse after that
 
Squad lacks depth. Their starting 11 of the last match was very unbalanced, they had to deploy side backs as CBs all because players like Dier are basically pre-retired and are there just to get the participation prize.
 
cyberman said:
Villa have 2/3 first teamers out for the season and were playing away from home and scored 2 goals while missing 2 other can’t miss chances while hitting the post twice (I think)
Plus the one goal they scored took a massive deflection, I wouldn’t call them unlucky.
Being caught offside by Villa isn’t unlucky, it’s how Villa play and have been well drilled and being caught in that trap is a matter of coaching.
To me it seems as if fans set their stalls out early here and it needs more results and performances for reality to bite either way.
They had an alright first few games but they’ve been getting caught out well before these 3 losses, it’s been a long time coming. Going a goal up via OG v Palace without having a shot on target until the 80th odd minute, robbing Liverpool of points etc, even the mad Sheff Utd game was another get out of jail free card.
Hard to give them the luck excuse after that
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Ming and Buendia are only the and their absence were pretty much covered with signings like Pau Torres as starter and Lenglet for back up role; Zaniolo and Diaby. By now Aston Villa is close to full strength for this season with the prep for their long term injury cases.

Tottenham had bunch of legit chances that their finish went wayward beside the offside calls. Kulushevski also hit the post not Villa player hit the post twice. I never said Tottenham game is tight and it's sustainable even when they were getting result with their starters. I said the contrary points actually prior to their 3 latest results. The point being discussed here is that Tottenham with all the injuries, suspension still commit to a style of play that create chances. High risk high reward. It's the full package of such approach. That's the response to some implication that Tottenham now somehow altered their approach.
 
Wumminator said:
You do know that we can read your past posts? Like, it’s a ten second search.
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You know we can see you failed comprehension in school. In my first post you quote I very clearly say they wont be at the top by the end of the season. Nowhere in those quotes am I claiming he is going to do anything like win the league or have a huge trophy success. Thats what my last post was about, people making bad faith arguments.
Its Spurs best start since 1965, thats true but doesnt claim he is going to win anything. Lots said he would struggle, even with a couple of losses he clearly isnt.
Do better, thats just cringeworthy from you.
 
ti vu said:
Ming and Buendia are only the and their absence were pretty much covered with signings like Pau Torres as starter and Lenglet for back up role; Zaniolo and Diaby. By now Aston Villa is close to full strength for this season with the prep for their long term injury cases.

Tottenham had bunch of legit chances that their finish went wayward beside the offside calls. Kulushevski also hit the post not Villa player hit the post twice. I never said Tottenham game is tight and it's sustainable even when they were getting result with their starters. I said the contrary points actually prior to their 3 latest results. The point being discussed here is that Tottenham with all the injuries, suspension still commit to a style of play that create chances. High risk high reward. It's the full package of such approach. That's the response to some implication that Tottenham now somehow altered their approach.
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It’s not close if it’s covered. They’ve still lost those players, they aren’t at full strength.
Only United have scored less than Spurs in the top 8 and that’s really because Rashford hasn’t hit form. The trade off wasn’t, isnt and will never be worth it with that squad.
Lose next week and it’s 4 losses in a row with tough games v a similar West Ham and Newcastle away after that. This is madness and the manager isn’t doing his job properly simply because he’s abandoning his defence as some sort of game plan but it’s every week so it’s commendable.
 
tenpoless said:
He keeps saying mate only to fit in.
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He's just rehearsing lines for the Australian version of Terrance and Phillip.

"Oi, I'm not your mate, buddy!"
"Well I'm not your buddy, cobber!"
"I'm not your cobber, mate!"
 
They're a decent team, but have been overperforming lately. Now it's return to the mean. I don't see them finishing top 4 this season, but 5-7 is where I'd rank them.

I just feel sorry for Son. What a player, wasted his career at a mid club.
 
Next 3

City Away
West Ham home
Newcastle Home.

Really want them to win all 3 but can't see that happening . Play like this and City will take you to cleaners. Pep is just waiting for someone to press them that high. Even Klopp don't do it these days. Will be a fun watch.
 
bond19821982 said:
Next 3

City Away
West Ham home
Newcastle Home.

Really want them to win all 3 but can't see that happening . Play like this and City will take you to cleaners. Pep is just waiting for someone to press them that high. Even Klopp don't do it these days. Will be a fun watch.
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City and Newcastle are probably losses. Its going to be interesting to see what he chooses to do against City
 
Stack said:
City and Newcastle are probably losses. Its going to be interesting to see what he chooses to do against City
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Utd fans want him to abandon his principles and have us play like an FA Cup underdog as it'll make them feel better about ten Hag.

He won't change though. He'll play aggressive and on the front foot. We'll probably lose, may even take a beating but Ange sees the bigger picture. We've smash-and-grabbed our way to wins over City in the past but that's not going to take you anywhere in the long-term.
 
Bale Bale Bale said:
He won't change though. He'll play aggressive and on the front foot. We'll probably lose, may even take a beating but Ange sees the bigger picture. We've smash-and-grabbed our way to wins over City in the past but that's not going to take you anywhere in the long-term.
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Already getting your excuses in. Lets hope City aren't at the races
 
Bale Bale Bale said:
Utd fans want him to abandon his principles and have us play like an FA Cup underdog as it'll make them feel better about ten Hag.

He won't change though. He'll play aggressive and on the front foot. We'll probably lose, may even take a beating but Ange sees the bigger picture. We've smash-and-grabbed our way to wins over City in the past but that's not going to take you anywhere in the long-term.
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Can you explain how this has anything to do with Ten Hag and principles?
 
Bale Bale Bale said:
Utd fans want him to abandon his principles and have us play like an FA Cup underdog as it'll make them feel better about ten Hag.

He won't change though. He'll play aggressive and on the front foot. We'll probably lose, may even take a beating but Ange sees the bigger picture. We've smash-and-grabbed our way to wins over City in the past but that's not going to take you anywhere in the long-term.
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When you say feel better about Ten Hag, do you mean we got loads of injuries and then resorted to boring basic football which has us 2 points behind you? You were 8 points ahead of us a few weeks back. I think we're in for a rough season but it looks like you'll be right there with us scrapping away.

If Ange's big picture is not to adapt in any way, you've just gone and hired Bielsa with an Aussie accent.
 
Stack said:
City and Newcastle are probably losses. Its going to be interesting to see what he chooses to do against City
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He'll try and out-nice Pep. Eventually Pep will give up trying to pretend he's a decent person and reveal his true form; spreading his misshapen wings and eating some baby lambs using his vampire teeth.
 
cyberman said:
Can you explain how this has anything to do with Ten Hag and principles?
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Come on, this entire thread has an undertone of ten Hag about it because you and other posters see the praise Ange has had as an attack on your manager. A few losses and the thread is filled with posts dunking on him with delight whilst ignoring any kind of context.

tomaldinho1 said:
When you say feel better about Ten Hag, do you mean we got loads of injuries and then resorted to boring basic football which has us 2 points behind you? You were 8 points ahead of us a few weeks back. I think we're in for a rough season but it looks like you'll be right there with us scrapping away.

If Ange's big picture is not to adapt in any way, you've just gone and hired Bielsa with an Aussie accent.
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Tell me I'm wrong but as far as I'm concerned, ten Hag resorted to that kind of football two games into his reign. Nearly 18 months and hundreds of millions spent later, the football you play now is essentially a continuation of the previous failed regimes.

Utd have a stronger squad than Spurs, you have more match-winners, you should be doing better than a Spurs team undergoing a complete overhaul. We'll see though. Maybe those one in a million overheads and full backs sticking them in the top corner from 30 yards is sustainable and all part of the plan.
 
Bale Bale Bale said:
Come on, this entire thread has an undertone of ten Hag about it because you and other posters see the praise Ange has had as an attack on your manager. A few losses and the thread is filled with posts dunking on him with delight whilst ignoring any kind of context.



Tell me I'm wrong but as far as I'm concerned, ten Hag resorted to that kind of football two games into his reign. Nearly 18 months and hundreds of millions spent later, the football you play now is essentially a continuation of the previous failed regimes.

Utd have a stronger squad than Spurs, you have more match-winners, you should be doing better than a Spurs team undergoing a complete overhaul. We'll see though. Maybe those one in a million overheads and full backs sticking them in the top corner from 30 yards is sustainable and all part of the plan.
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From day one I’ve been trying to understand why he has anything to do with Ten Jag and nobody has told me. From all of the it took Ange 4 weeks to develop a style of play while Ten Hag..oh look at how well Spurs move the ball v Villa without any defenders yet we excuse Ten Hag..
Those don’t make sense and the same posters will just move onto another manager to prop up their crying ways, I’m just trying to understand why Ange not managing situations well has any bearing on Ten Hag at all
 
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