He's 6th choice for the midfield positions (behind Matic, Pogba, Herrera, Fellaini and Carrick). He's also 6th choice for the attacking positions (behind Martial, Rashford, Mata, Mkhi and Lingard). He's not going to get enough game time to justify sticking around the squad. League cup games and minutes here and there is not going to help his development.
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He's 6th choice for the midfield positions (behind Matic, Pogba, Herrera, Fellaini and Carrick). He's also 6th choice for the attacking positions (behind Martial, Rashford, Mata, Mkhi and Lingard). He's not going to get enough game time to justify sticking around the squad. League cup games and minutes here and there is not going to help his development.
It's the right move for him but I do fear for his long term future here. He didn't impress me enough during pre season.
There will be injuries, there will be suspensions. Out of 60 games which i think we'd end up playing depending upon the results in UCL, He could definitely manage 20 or plus games this season, His main competiton remains with the likes of mata mkh lingard who wont play more than 35 - 40 games in whole season and as back up to pogba who would also need to rest in some games.
League cups and Fa cups is perfect for him to gel and intergrate with the squad while he can be given few EPL games too off the bench or as starts in case of injuries and competitons. While his creative attributes while be a very useful quality. Even martial Rashford are very young and wil need to be fresh who's Absentee's could get him games as the players need to be fresh before the world cup and over using might have a bad offect on them.
If he wants to prove he can be a united player one has to stay and fight for the games and places.
That's how it was for lingard too.
It's good that we have Fellaini so we don't have to worry about players with talent clogging up our squad.
If you can't see how useful Fellaini is to our squad, I'm baffled. People need to stop crying over him, he's going nowhere, and rightfully so.
Still have no idea why this is Fellaini´s problem? They are not even competing for the same role in this squad.
For those that say he shouldn't be sent out because we "have no depth in CM" let me remind you that we started last season with 6 CMs, like this season. We had Pogba, Herrera, Fellaini, Carrick, Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin. How much did the last two play under Mourinho? Not a lot at all, they both got pushed out by mid-season and hardly played.
Consider now that it was a very heavy season as we made it to the final of 1 domestic cup, the QF of another and we went all the way in the longest European competition (in terms of games). In fact, the only way we could play as many games as last season is if we get to all 3 possible finals. The chance of that very small.
I just don't see where Pereira is going to get games. And he is at an age where he badly need to be playing to develop and prove his worth. If he is to leave the club for that, so be it. It's not like it's going to be a tragedy for United.
Consider now that it was a very heavy season as we made it to the final of 1 domestic cup, the QF of another and we went all the way in the longest European competition (in terms of games). In fact, the only way we could play as many games as last season is if we get to all 3 possible finals. The chance of that very small.
I just don't see where Pereira is going to get games. And he is at an age where he badly need to be playing to develop and prove his worth. If he is to leave the club for that, so be it. It's not like it's going to be a tragedy for United.
Since Mourinho is playing with 4 attackers being 6th choice gives more than enough perspective on getting minutes.
At his age, he needs to be playing regularly. I can't see that being here this season. It's best all-around if he goes on-loan. Would be better if he was on loan to a EPL club.
League cups, Fa cups, Injuries, Suspensions, Fatigue and Rotation can give him 20 or plus games this season. If he's gone he''s gone mighr never get a chance in the future.
Did you read what I posted? All of what you are describing happened last season and more, and yet still didn't need a 5th midfielder. Never mind a 6th.
He could get chances in attacking midfeild.
Well, they are both playing in central midfield. It's not that important that they fulfil different role. For example when Pogba is out, Mourinho would probably quicker give a more advanced offensive role to Herrera while slotting Fellaini into midfield to play where Herrera would normally play in Herrera-Pogba-Matic midfield than promote Pereira (understandably as his job is to win games).
We play with 3 attackers behind Lukaku. Martial and Lingard are both in the bench and seemingly ahead of Pereira. We might even play with 2 in bigger games. He's not going to be getting anywhere near the number of minutes he should be for him to develop. Needs to be loaned out or sold.
He's already had a loan to aid his development. If he hasn't had some good game time by January then perhaps loan him out again, but it won't achieve much other than putting him in the shop window for next summer.
I'd like to see United keep hold of their talented players and develop their potential at the club instead of seeing them make it elsewhere. It is not like we have a worldclass side that can hardly be improved upon.
He could be just as big of a tragedy as losing Pogba to Juve was.
Atleast give him a chance to show himself, if he fecks it up and than you would loan him out than nobody would give a feck about it. But now it is just ridiculous, he can have a fantastic season on loan, he can have a great pre-season and he still wouldn't get a snif...
So 4
1 striker : Lukaku or Rashford
1 AM: Mkhitaryan or Mata
1 RW: Mata, Mkhitaryan, Lingard
1 LW: Martial, Rashford, Lingard
6 players for 4 positions
Pereira can perfectly fit into that mix and make some minutes coming off the bench and starting in league-cup games. When we have to rest important players for big games and CL, he would be a valuable option for rotation aswell. And we will be glad to have someone like him when a couple of players start to fall out with injurries and tiredness starts to creep into the team.
Pereira is not schneiderlin or schweinsteiger, he can play in an attacking role.
I think that's what some people don't get. They're like "he'll get 10-15 games here and there". Half those games most likely being sub appearances too, so not full 90'. And the games where he'll get full 90 would be in the cups against lower category opposition, being part of a team that is very heavily changed from our strongest team too. It helps very little.
The guy is turning 22 in January. He's at an age where he needs to play, training alone will not help him that much. It's unfortunate for him because he has loads of potential, but the timing is not right for the club to give him the time his talent deserves. We're at a crucial time where we're trying to re-establish ourselves as league challengers and a European heavyweight. We have 3-4 players ahead of him in a every possible position he could play.
I am a fan, but at this stage I'd happily sell him for his own good, only on the condition that we put a reasonable buy back clause like £30m or something. Real Madrid managed to put that clause on Morata's sale to Juventus (same price) so I don't see why we couldn't.
No, 6 players for 3 positions as things stand. Lukaku is quite irrelevant to the discussion right now. And while we might be glad to have him in case of injuries he will most certainly not be glad to hang around the squad and not even making the bench on most weeks.
As it currently stands Rashford or Martial will no doubt play some games as a striker aswell because Lukaku can not play everything, opening up chances for Pereira to play from the wing in those games.
It is 6 for 4, not 6 for 3
Sort of. It's 5 players (Martial, Rashford, Mata, Mkhi, Lingard) for 2 or 3 attacking positions behind the striker, depending on the team's shape.
The striker position is out of discussion as you pointed out. Plus it looks like we are re-signing Ibra to be the back-up to Lukaku. Which means Martial and Rashford will be solely competing for the LW position.
Pereira can play many different positions in midfield. The season is a long one and he will get opportunities, not enough starts but 10-20 games.
He just came back from a good loan with Granada, to loan him again to La Liga isn't the best option. If he needs to go out on loan then a team in the Premier League like TFM is the best option.
He just came back from a good loan with Granada, to loan him again to La Liga isn't the best option. If he needs to go out on loan then a team in the Premier League like TFM is the best option.
People keep repeating that, as if it's somehow true. Mathematically, it cannot possibly be longer than last season. Period. There is no certainty this one will be long, we could get knocked out of the domestic cups early for all we know.
If Ibra gets re-signed as heavily suggested we're in a position where we have more defenders, more midfielders and more attackers than we did last season for almost certainly less games. I still don't see where from he'll get enough games to develop.
There is zero dramatic about stating the obvious. Just last season we struggled at the back end to put up a competitive midfield and it forced us to concentrate on nothing but the Europa league. Yet Carrick is a year older and all we've added to our squad is Matic. That is the reason why a capable midfielder like Pereira is an obvious solution to the problem. Its obvious we literally gave up the league and top 4 last season due to lack of depth in that same department and it would be fool hardy to repeat it. And frankly you caring or not knowing is of no relevance whatsoever to those facts.
Hope he stays. And hope Jose gives him games here, at least in the cups.
I will be disappointed if it is true. I have (high) hopes of him making it here, even just as squad player for United. He is a different type of player than what United currently have, in which his style more or less similar to the likes of Coutinho and Modric. Low center of gravity, good dribbling technique and pretty tenacious. Whether he will make it to those kind of levels of course remains to be seen but he has the potential, judging from what he did with Brazil and Granada last season. I think that perhaps with much better players and team, he would do better than at Granada.
Hope he stays and play in the Cup games. and determine to win them, just like Romero in the ELC last season.
Hope he stays and play in the Cup games. and determine to win them, just like Romero in the ELC last season.
Pay attention to my argument. Not you want it to be. Pereira is an intelligent player like Mata, a naturally creative player like Mata, plus is naturally right footed, on top of being quicker.I doubt that you can seriously believe a player slightly faster than Blind, incapable of going on the outside of his man , let alone keeping up,
with him and totally left footed
is a superior option for the same right wing role.
And NB: superior option doesn't mean better player.
And I'm tired of this 'is he faster, where is the evidence' line of argument. Everyone knows Mata is slightly faster than Blind. And anyone who bothered to watch Granada last season got to see Pereira having to track back against almost every attacking player he faced. From the super quick to the averaged pace, which he by and large was able to do. And no he did not move slightly faster than Blind to do it.....
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Not to me it isn't. We gave up because the probability of making it was very very small due to dropping shit loads of points when we played our strongest team. So we chose to rest players for the EL to maximise our chance of winning that. If we were with a realistic chance of getting top 4 or winning the title, we would have simply played our strongest squad in both League and EL and let the chips fall as they may.
Mate saying it's awful if a young player goes on loan, to gain experience and grow as a player. What do you class a serious injury as?
My expectation of awful, is a serious injury. Yours is a tad over dramatic.
As for us giving up on the league, a lot of that was Europa league thursdays, we won't have that this season. We now have a better squad.
But carry on being dramatic. It matters not! As your facts aren't actually facts, you're going off history not the future.
Anything can happen, players get injured, fatigued and suspended. There will enough rotation for him to get games, he will be with the squad training and developing, waiting for his opportunity.
I am not against him going on loan, I would just prefer it to be in our league.
Matic, Pogba, Herrera, Carrick and Fellaini isn't enough. We need Pereira, especially as he's different from the others.
And I say, again, that repeating this does not make it true at all. At best he could get some games. At worst, he could get feck all.
Isnt that why we gave up on the league and played the dangerous game of only trying to win the Europa to make the champions league this season?
We went through last season with only 4 CMs (Pogba, Herrera, Carrick and Fellaini) and this season will almost certainly be shorter. In fact Mourinho could not be bothered to keep Schweinsteiger for 4 more months because he was not getting any games. We have 5 midfielders this season before we even get to Pereira.
So you can say it's not enough and you are entitled to an opinion, but it doesn't really coincide with any historical evidence from Mourinho. He doesn't rotate that heavily or need such a big squad.
No. It's not. I responded to that already.
Of course it is hypothetical, if he stays Jose will give him games and with that chance it would be upto him to prove he deserves more games.
Jose won't be playing the same XI every game.
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