Well if you are delighted with only having a 36 year old Carrick and Fellaini as back up to our 3 first choice midfielders, I can see the sense in that.....
Andreas Pereira to Valencia? | It happened
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Considering how good our midfield have been so far there's no surprise that he hasn't featured, but it's a bit worrying that he hasn't even made the bench so far.
Is he really much quicker though?
I don't think we should loan him, we don't have enough depth in midfield, but God, Pereira is being as overrated as TFM here.
Didn't this happen before?
I keep telling you guys: all of this has happened before and all of this will happen again.
I keep telling you guys: all of this has happened before and all of this will happen again.
Yes. Mata is almost as slow as Blind.
No one is overatting. We just don't see why we can't keep him for a regular squad role like the likes of Blind and Lingard. Its not like he plays a role in which we have an abundance of options.
Andreas need games. We can't provide him with that at the moment. Sure Carrick and probably Fellaini will end up leaving next season but they play in a different role to his. Hence why I am pretty confident we'll end up signing the Dendoncker guy next season
In my opinion we should either loan him or sell him with a right to buy clause. If he does well at Valencia we can buy him back.
In my opinion we should either loan him or sell him with a right to buy clause. If he does well at Valencia we can buy him back.
We will need him, mourinho not interested is good news.
Yeah I agree with the fact that he should stay, but the sole notion that he's better than Mata, even if it's just a dodgy suggestion about the pace, it's literally what overrating is.
I wanted him to be given chances this season but with our current squad and tactics that doesn't look likely to happen. Another loan move is the best option right now.
He isn't a better player than Mata. Rather He is a better option there than Mata for a right wing role for it would be more natural to him. Same as even Rashford would be.
He had games all last season , we can give him games.
So he'd be a better player on the right purely because of his pace?
Mind you we're not talking about Rashford's tier of pace.
One injury and we would need him.
Happy to hear Mourinho isn't keen on the idea.
Happy to hear Mourinho isn't keen on the idea.
Not really. You have chosen to overlook the fact he is also naturally right footed and is a natural creative 10 attacker like Mata. A combination of that and
being much quicker than Mata makes him a superior option. Unlike Mata he'd be able to get away from his man quicker and go on the outside. And given the brief he had at Granada even defensively he'd be super useful. But that won't ever happen because we have both Rashford, Lingard and Mhikitaryan all able to do that already. Assuming we don't even add Perisic. So I'm close to certain any decision to keep him is unlikely to include any of the attacking roles ahead of the midfield.
We've got 7 players for 3 roles (Mkhitaryan, Mata, Lingard, Fellaini, Martial, Rashford, Young), Pogba can also play there and we'll probably re-sign Ibra too. Andreas is way low in the pecking order. As said, 1 good season at top level (not a joke team like Granada) will give Mou some food for thought. Fellaini, Young and possibly Mata won't lost forever.
Ah alright, I think we just disagree on some basic stuff like what our 'wingers' should look like, being right footed just doesn't count as a plus for me.
Sadly, have to agree.
Herrera isn't even getting games, people are saying he'll play in the tougher games and away games whilst failing to mention he's behind Fellaini in the pecking order. Not even sure where Andreas even fits in our plans. If he stays he'll have a wasted season like Fosu last year.
Fair enough
For me being able to go on the outside to cross always counts the most for me when it comes to wide players. Inside out wingers to me only make sense if they carry the goal threat of the Robben and Bales of this world or the creativity of a Ribery, with the pace to back it up or a Beckham like cross.
We either him chances or let him go on loan. He appears ready to have a role in our first team squad. We should be giving talents like him minutes coming off the bench.
Some real rubbish in this thread.
To think he is anywhere near Mata's level is laughable.
Go watch his abysmal first half vs Sampdoria.
Loan him out, he needs to be playing week in week out if he is ever to make the grade.
To think he is anywhere near Mata's level is laughable.
Go watch his abysmal first half vs Sampdoria.
Loan him out, he needs to be playing week in week out if he is ever to make the grade.
He needs to play games,if we can get him a good loan that he's happy with then we should do it. I cant see him getting much more than 15 starts with us this year if that, it would be a waste of the good progress he made last season.
I think he's quality, with the right loan this season i think this time nxt year he'l of played himself into being one of europes best young talents, the type you would have to pay a fortune for and he'd come back with a real chance of being an important player for us.
I think he's quality, with the right loan this season i think this time nxt year he'l of played himself into being one of europes best young talents, the type you would have to pay a fortune for and he'd come back with a real chance of being an important player for us.
I thought he might get some game time here this season, especially when Mourinho said he was not going out on loan.
Maybe after signing Matic, and still chasing Perisic, Mourinho has changed his mind.
Hope it's just a loan deal, as I think he could make it here, if given the game time..
Maybe after signing Matic, and still chasing Perisic, Mourinho has changed his mind.
Hope it's just a loan deal, as I think he could make it here, if given the game time..
So, because he's "quicker" he's automatically better? I agree that it doesn't matter in the end and maybe Mourinho is comfortable with our squad depth if he has given his ok for the loaning, that's besides the point. What I was trying to understand is if you had any evidence of him being better than Mata. Or is - "It is a no brainer" your only argument for your assertion and assessment? Pace is not always necessarily the only thing required in a footballer. Which I'm sure you will agree with.
I like him, at the same time I think it's not obvious he should stay. His strong suits are in areas where he needs to be even better to have that role in a team like United. Put him in for Herrera, Pogba, Martial or Mkhi and we're immediately a weaker team. All the while he's still way behind Carrick, Fellaini or Mata as complimenting our main foils as of now. Even Lingard is ahead of him on merit when considering function in the team.
Pereiras technique and versatility makes him a player that if he takes to more steps forward, I think he might actually lift the general play of the team, but at 22(?) tjere's no guarantee this will happen in a year or two even.
Pereiras technique and versatility makes him a player that if he takes to more steps forward, I think he might actually lift the general play of the team, but at 22(?) tjere's no guarantee this will happen in a year or two even.
Pereira can play every midfield position, he can play on both wings, furthermore we have a grand total of 6 attacking players in the team, one of which is Lingard and you tell me there is no chance of him getting any minutes in a season where we will be playing well over 60 games ?
Loan him out now and he will walk and rightfully so, he is 21 and he has shown great things if he can't even get a fair chance to show himself whilst players like Lingard play so much than he should go to another team that does appreciate his skills and potential.
His Competition is only with mkh and Mata and lingard, unless we play him we won't find out his impact and pecking order. He might out perform lingard who knows. Can fill in too when pogba sits out.
I think he has a bright future, I am happy Jose seems against the loan option and he got a lot of minutes in pre-season.
Tend to agree with the majority, cannot see where his game time is coming from this year. Our best midfielder last season, Herrera cannot get a starting spot. Fellaini is fancied off the move on the evidence of first 2 games. Plus Carrick.
He could play more attacking, on the wing or as a #10 but again, we have likes of Martial/Lingard on the bench waiting.
For all the talk of him being one of the best young talents in Europe, we shouldn't risk him leaving by not affording him game time. For me, he should be ahead of Fellaini in midfield.
Another loan may put him off extending his contract, he may prefer a permanent move. Then when Carrick/Fellaini/Young leave at end of they're deals we'll again be short and in the market. Completely avoidable scenario by using Periera now, when he is at the club and at his age should be used more than he is
Tend to agree with the majority, cannot see where his game time is coming from this year. Our best midfielder last season, Herrera cannot get a starting spot. Fellaini is fancied off the move on the evidence of first 2 games. Plus Carrick.
He could play more attacking, on the wing or as a #10 but again, we have likes of Martial/Lingard on the bench waiting.
For all the talk of him being one of the best young talents in Europe, we shouldn't risk him leaving by not affording him game time. For me, he should be ahead of Fellaini in midfield.
Another loan may put him off extending his contract, he may prefer a permanent move. Then when Carrick/Fellaini/Young leave at end of they're deals we'll again be short and in the market. Completely avoidable scenario by using Periera now, when he is at the club and at his age should be used more than he is
I think this is a very poor move from Jose. Pereira was one of United's best performers in pre-season, despite playing half of it very deep in midfield. If he does go on loan, it should be to a Premier League club.
I'd love to have him at Swansea, on loan or permanent. Would be a great way to spend some of the Sigurdsson cash.
Well,well,well, what a surprise (if true)
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I would genuinely play him over Mata.
He's not good enough yet to get consistent playing time at United and has much better players in front of him. It's not convenient that his contract runs out next year because a loan this year virtually means that he could leave for free next year. The best option would be to sell him for £10m or so (probably wouldn't even get that considering he's had very little first team experience in his career) with a £20m or £25m buy-back clause for the next two or three years.
At 22 next January it's not like he has years left before he can start calling for some playing time. He should realistically get 20-25 games at least right now in order to develop.
At 22 next January it's not like he has years left before he can start calling for some playing time. He should realistically get 20-25 games at least right now in order to develop.
Until we give him games and try him , there is no way to find out how much he could contribute. If he leaves, chances are he's never comming back and never getting a chance in first team.
A short contract with few games this season will be good for him this season. We can manage 20 games for him.
It's a difficult one. I really like the player and have followed his progress since he's been at the club. Watched a few Granada games last season to see how he was getting on and was excited to have him back.
However, now is a critical time in his development. Impatiently, I would like to see him stay at United this season - there will be plenty of games if we progress in the cups and he might get the odd appearance off the bench in the league. This probably isn't enough though, so I think I loan would be better for his progress. I'd prefer him to go to a PL club to get experience of the pace, pressure and intensity of the league. I'm not confident that a year at Valencia will provide the experience he needs to succeed at United.
However, now is a critical time in his development. Impatiently, I would like to see him stay at United this season - there will be plenty of games if we progress in the cups and he might get the odd appearance off the bench in the league. This probably isn't enough though, so I think I loan would be better for his progress. I'd prefer him to go to a PL club to get experience of the pace, pressure and intensity of the league. I'm not confident that a year at Valencia will provide the experience he needs to succeed at United.
Can we though? Pogba and Matic are our first choice midfielder, then we have Fellaini, Herrera, Carrick, Mata and Mkhitaryan to give games to in positions he'd largely occupy. We could probably give him some starts in FA Cup and League Cup but won't play him in the league or Champions League much. I'd like him to stay and do well here but I fear he might struggle to feature.
Pereira is extremely overrated on the caf, I think he will be a very good player eventually. I would like him for depth but obviously Jose might think he isn't good enough to rotate on a consistent basis and won't get enough game time if he stays. Ideally I'd love him to go to a team in the EPL but Valencia is definitely a step up from Granada so it's a step in the right direction.
I bet he can't wait
I don't find it awful news that the kid is leaving on loan. You may be the overly dramatic type who overreacts to very minor things, I know nor care not. Carrick is a very good 5th choice midfielder.
4 players in 1 role.
I bet he can't wait
Everyone's got to start somewhere if he shows something in those games and an injury or two happens, he might be in the action in some important games. Otherwise I'd send him to some place like Swansea considering their threadbare squad depth before dispatching him off to La Liga again.
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