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Wilson Litchmore said:
Without repeating myself, talent in sport isn't enough. He can play otherwise he wouldn't be here but I don't understand the hype. I really don't understand the comparisons with proven players especially when he's played most of his career as a wide player. Not being funny and it might have been the case but if he was so good in Spain, why isnt there a queue of LaLiga clubs wanting to sign him?

I think we get intoxicated by lads who can trap a ball where in Spain, that's the given. A Utd lad passes to a player in the same shirt, and we make comparisons to Mata who's scores 10 goals a season. The irony is people still don't rate Mata on here. Also because he's got a foreign name we think different to a lad from Warrington who scored goals at Wembley.
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I've not said he's as good as Mata yet, simply that his playing style would make him a suitable replacement.

Of course talent doesn't always translate into 1st team success, but in that case what's the point monitoring the progress of any academy player and getting excited when they show ability?
 
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I've not said he's as good as Mata yet, simply that his playing style would make him a suitable replacement.

Of course talent doesn't always translate into 1st team success, but in that case what's the point monitoring the progress of any academy player and getting excited when they show ability?
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I agree and there's a few lads from the under 18's that are extremely good technically and I'm not saying he's not got potential but I'm just saying I've not seen it at Utd consistently. Not enough for people to suggest he should be starting? I know it's a catch 22 if he doesn't get the opportunity but that's down to him taking this when he does. I can't get excited about it cause I haven't seen anything as yet.

Like I said about the city lad, you couldn't come away from that came without thinking this lads got a talent. Pereira's came was tidy but nothing more. I'm being ultra critical but you don't get many opportunities at this level and there will be even less when a Dier Matic arrive. They may come as DM but they will also play as traditional CM too. If we go 3 at the back, it gets even harder for him.
 
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Wilson Litchmore said:
Yep Lingard must cry in his cornflakes each morning about his limitations. Especially that miss-kick that amounted to winning the cup. He much kick himself everytime he thinks about his low ceiling each time progressive managers hand him a starting position and he runs out in front of 70,000 people.

I'm not anti Pereira just not caught up in the hype until he's done something a little more than I've seen todate.
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You're coming across as irrational and defensive, mate. Yes, Lingard has won us a couple of big games but that doesn't make him the standard we should be aiming for. Macheda basically won us the league, by your logic we should erect a statue of him outside OT.

We can do a lot better than Lingard but I'd happily keep him as a squad player. Put it this way, I've never seen great natural talent in Lingard and I've never been blown away by a string of his performances. Pereira does have that natural talent, but that's all I can really comment on regarding him. I just wanted to set you right with Lingard :lol:
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
Yep Lingard must cry in his cornflakes each morning about his limitations. Especially that miss-kick that amounted to winning the cup. He much kick himself everytime he thinks about his low ceiling each time progressive managers hand him a starting position and he runs out in front of 70,000 people.

I'm not anti Pereira just not caught up in the hype until he's done something a little more than I've seen todate.
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Sure be cautious of hype. That makes sense.

But questioning him because he went out on loan or because we're after a DM or because you haven't heard of any Spanish clubs wanting to sign him makes little sense.
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
Without repeating myself, talent in sport isn't enough. He can play otherwise he wouldn't be here but I don't understand the hype. I really don't understand the comparisons with proven players especially when he's played most of his career as a wide player. Not being funny and it might have been the case but if he was so good in Spain, why isnt there a queue of LaLiga clubs wanting to sign him?

I think we get intoxicated by lads who can trap a ball where in Spain, that's the given. A Utd lad passes to a player in the same shirt, and we make comparisons to Mata who's scores 10 goals a season. The irony is people still don't rate Mata on here. Also because he's got a foreign name we think different to a lad from Warrington who scored goals at Wembley.
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You seem overly critical of his ability to play at the top level, to say you haven't even seen much of him in action at Granada (more or less admitted that bit yourself).. He's a very exciting youth product, I don't get why that's so hard to swallow.. Also if Pereira was given the opportunity to play the same amount of games for us as Lingard last season, I'm highly confident the vast majority would rate him the better player.

Wilson Litchmore said:
I agree and there's a few lads from the under 18's that are extremely good technically and I'm not saying he's not got potential but I'm just saying I've not seen it at Utd consistently. Not enough for people to suggest he should be starting? I know it's a catch 22 if he doesn't get the opportunity but that's down to him taking this when he does. I can't get excited about it cause I haven't seen anything as yet.

Like I said about the city lad, you couldn't come away from that came without thinking this lads got a talent. Pereira's came was tidy but nothing more. I'm being ultra critical but you don't get many opportunities at this level and there will be even less when a Dier Matic arrive. They may come as DM but they will also play as traditional CM too. If we go 3 at the back, it gets even harder for him.
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He scored a well taken free kick on his last appearance for us whilst Van Gaal was manager. Then followed the unfair treatment LVG was well known for.
 
LennonNL said:
You're coming across as irrational and defensive, mate. Yes, Lingard has won us a couple of big games but that doesn't make him the standard we should be aiming for. Macheda basically won us the league, by your logic we should erect a statue of him outside OT.

We can do a lot better than Lingard but I'd happily keep him as a squad player. Put it this way, I've never seen great natural talent in Lingard and I've never been blown away by a string of his performances. Pereira does have that natural talent, but that's all I can really comment on regarding him. I just wanted to set you right with Lingard :lol:
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I'm neither more a realist.Its an opinion based on today and not based on star gazing or crystal balls. Lingard plays despite people's opinion on him, that's the managers decision. Not a player that doesn't divide opinion including most recent signing in Rom. Mine is Pereira is good technically but there's nothing I've seen yet that should suggest he should be anywhere than in the squad, not the starting 11. He needs to take his opportunity when the chances arise as I feel he's got somewhere to go before Jose would trust him to play in a position that needs maturity in your game. A new Midfield signing will hurt his chances as it leaves only two positions, with Pogba, Herrera are certainties to play.
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
I hear you but based on what? He reminds me of so many young Utd players over the years, bags of technical ability but can't translate that into the English game. I agree loan spell was good but it's like saying he had a good loan spell at Sunderland, it's not the barometer. Let's not get caught up by the fact he's got ability and let's see his application of it at the highest level.....
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To be fair, how many of those young players have gone to a team in a top league (whether the Premier League, La Liga, Seria A or whatever) and stood out as being amongst their teams best players, let alone the best as Pereira was? How many consistently shone against the best teams in that league?

Kieran Richardson (West Brom) and Giuseppe Rossi (Parma) are the only ones I can think of who had a truly impressive impact while on loan. Neither ended up working out for us, but Rossi went on to have a very good career that was unfortunately blighted by injuries. All the others that we've loaned out didn't have anywhere near as much of an impact as what Pereira did. At best they were 'decent' for those teams.

There's obviously no guarantee and it might not work out, but Pereira has shown more (mostly during his loan, but also during pre-season games with us over the last couple of years) than just about anyone else that has come through our ranks over the last decade or so. So while having a healthy dose of cynicism about it is fine, you also should keep in mind that he's 'proved' himself more than just about anybody else that we've had in a similar situation.
 
Think people are getting too caught up with his long-term position, first let's see if he'll get game time to play. Granada played him all over midfield and he seemed to impress everywhere.
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
I'm not anti Pereira just not caught up in the hype until he's done something a little more than I've seen todate.
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Well, he does at least appear to have the mentality and composure to do well. That's why people are so confident in him, but yeah, hard to tell for sure until we see him have a good run in the PL. I remember at least one instance (but not the exact game/opposition atm) where even Pogba early on was rattled and put off his game by being targeted and harrassed.

We'll see in the coming weeks and months.
 
4 Real Madrid players hacking at him and he still manages to get out of it and find Lingard (who of course slips) :drool:
 
luke511 said:
4 Real Madrid players hacking at him and he still manages to get out of it and find Lingard (who of course slips) :drool:
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To be honest, it wasn't the best of passes. Still, to make it in this situation — incredible.
 
He has that blend of acceleration, balance, and technique that you'd find in a mid-table Serie A or La Liga central midfielder that the more hip fans on the forum would be posting compilations of in response to 'who should we sign?' threads in the Transfer Forum.
 
DWelbz19 said:
He has that blend of acceleration, balance, and technique that you'd find in a mid-table Serie A or La Liga central midfielder that the more hip fans on the forum would be posting compilations of in response to 'who should we sign?' threads in the Transfer Forum.
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He also has quite a lovely passing range and great vision, so hopefully that'll set him apart from those kind of players!
 
Posting the unpopular opinion: thought he played safe. There was one moment where circumstances forced him to use the ability he has to retain possession. Besides that he chose the easy way out every time. Could've tried to drive from midfield with his dribbling ability and passing. Deferred to Carrick and laid it off to Lingard 9 times outta 10. Not going to earn Mou's trust like that.
 
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Posting the unpopular opinion: thought he played safe. There was one moment where circumstances forced him to use the ability he has to retain possession. Besides that he chose the easy way out every time. Could've tried to drive from midfield with his dribbling ability and passing. Deferred to Carrick and laid it off to Lingard 9 times outta 10. Not going to earn Mou's trust like that.
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Maybe that was exactly Jose's instruction for him.
 
If we get that DM and play a 3, he has a very good chance in forcing his way into our first XI before the end of the season.
 
Definite quality, Good enough to start. Could see him building a chemistry with Pogba
 
#07 said:
Posting the unpopular opinion: thought he played safe. There was one moment where circumstances forced him to use the ability he has to retain possession. Besides that he chose the easy way out every time. Could've tried to drive from midfield with his dribbling ability and passing. Deferred to Carrick and laid it off to Lingard 9 times outta 10. Not going to earn Mou's trust like that.
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I would guess that given we are playing with a completely different approach to the previous 2 games that he is playing top instruction, that will earn trust quickly.
His usual method of receiving sets him up to play forward but if he is playing sideways or backwards a lot then I think he is following a directive related to what Mourinho hopes to learn or get out of this preseason match.
 
Quite similar to how Coutinho looked in midfield for Liverpool in their 2013/14 Premier League tilt. Very good technically and looks like the type who could develop positionally in any role given to him.
 
He's not all flair and technical ability. He is disciplined and willing to do the dirty work. Jose will like him.
 
Played just 45. Suggests he's going to play against Barca.
 
Fellaini better not be higher than this guy in the pecking order for CM next season :lol:
 
He adds something that constantly distracts oppo's midfield. Great, unpredictable movement.

Midfield without him and Ander was not a formation even with Pogba trying hard to balance things.
 
It should be -

Against the small teams

Mkhitaryan
Pogba Herrera

Against the big teams

Pogba Peirera
Herrera​
 
Good with the ball at his feet, uses both which is good and under pressure.
Id actually like to see him playing as a DLP against the smaller teams that tend to defend for their lives. No need for an outright destroyer in those games.
 
He had to play with pure staticity in that first half which was tough on him really.
 
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