Phyiscalitt is overrated. What matters is intelligence and ability to protect the ball with your current size. Pereira is the right build to protect the ball properly amidst physical play. Unlike say a Januzaj who has been struggling due to being to weak for his height
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Yes we can. Who is he competing with? Fellaini, Carrick, Pogba, Herrera. We already know that 2/4 are starting and personally I want to see as little of Fellaini as possible. Michael Carrick can still be quality but he's turning 36 in 9 days time and hasn't looked sharp in the little we've seen him in so far whilst Pereira has.
If United do well they're going to play clost to 60 games. Last season 17 different players played in 36 games or more. Next up was Darmian with 29 and we're a player short of that list with Rooney gone (Lukaku and Lindelof coming in for the injured Zlatan and Rojo). Plenty of gametime to be had. At Spain last season he had the league and cup and that's it. That's 40-42 games, 44 if his team pulls through.
This prediction seems to be reversed for some reason so far, with Pereira preferred in the no. 6 role.
But do you see his long term future there? I think it is a waste of his talents to be put in the holding role.
I share the same sentiments. He can probably do a job there in pre season and generally on the ball, he has excellent talents and is a very gifted player. His delivery, his shooting, agility, passing, vision, dribbling, skill, balance, workrate. So at 6 he'll play well on the ball, but also as an 8, or 10 or on the wing. However as a 6, that defensive shielding, blocking passing lanes, smelling the danger, positioning isnt really a part of his game. We'd lose a lot of protection. It's true that he does trackback and tackle, but not near enough. And in the Prem, you'd want at least one tall, physical DM sadly.
We can push Herrera to DM and Pereira in box to box role or they can change positions often. I don't think Pereira should have problem playing in midfield, he is very skillful and has good movement. He has excellent passing range, so he can ping the passes from deep or he has very good shot from distance and good dribbler so he can have impact higher up the pitch too.
However it is, he would be very good addition to the squad.
However it is, he would be very good addition to the squad.
No. My point is that people justifying why he won't be a future success because of his physicality is a tad silly.
My example is purely to show physicality isnt a determining factor or limit to success in the PL.
I don't think this is permanent. Mourinho at some point has tried out every one of our midfielders bar Pogba in a holding role. Herrera did it in the Europa League final, Fellaini started off there at the beginning of the season, Carrick obviously played there and the few times Schneiderlin/Schweinsteiger played they also played there.
It's probably so they can hone their defensive skills.
do you guys think he could potentially develop into a modric like figure for us?
Yep and test if we can throw them into that role in an emergency. After all at the moment Carrick is the only specialist there.
He seems to have plenty of potential but I don't think putting that level of expectation on him is helpful. Modric has been one of the top 3 play-makers in the world (alongside Iniesta and Pirlo) of the last decade for me. I'd be happy if he cements a place at United and doesn't go the Cleverley way for now.
I think we need to see him over a season in a United shirt to draw serious conclusions. The level of pressure and expectation is quite different form Granada. Let's just call him a promising young player for now.
At least based on his performances both at Granada and during the pre-season, we can definitely say he deserves a chance to prove himself. Let's hope he gets it from Mourinho and that he grasps it with both hands. With Carrick waning and Fellaini being quite limited we desperately need another quality CM and if he can be a homegrown player, so much the better.
If so, then it makes perfect sense. He would want them to learn the art of being disciplined in their approach before everything else.
I would love to see Jose use Pereira against the big teams coming up just to see how he fares - he would be pleasantly surprised I think.
Agree with the assessment that we need to cover all our bases. It would a good learning experience for him too.
I think what we have lacked is the big drivers from midfield - the runners with the ball - Modric, Thiago, those types. In Herrera, Pogba and hopefully Pereira, we are building to become more of a seasoned midfield that is inherently capable of being mutli-functional; playing through the lines and quickly switching flanks if need be.
We would be a real force if opponent defences are left figuring out our game plan is even before the kick-off. I am almost driven to say it would be a throwback to the axis' of Hargreaves - Carrick - Scholes back in '08 or to the grand old days of Scholes - Butt - Keano.
Paul Scholes, he was a tiny ginger kid with asthma and he did alright in the rough and tumble of the Premier League.
He was good against Madrid too from what I remember, another stern test. Bottom line for me is he's an intelligent gifted footballer. Given the chance I'm sure he'd shine here.
I think he's an 8 but can definitely play as a deep lying midfielder also. He's really comfortable and is always making angles to receive the ball. We've had too many midfielders with a tendency to hide over the last few years. He's clearly not one of those.
One reason I think he could do well in a DLP type role is his composure on the ball. He doesn't seem to feel overly harrassed when being pressed, and appears calm and unrushed when passing under pressure. He's ice cold. It'll be interesting to see him get games in the PL, wherever he plays.
He's very good under tight pressure and in tight spaces. That said, like a lot of players who can boast that, he does sometimes overuse it when there are simple out-balls that would be more efficient, and occasionally he'll lose the ball as a result. Not an uncommon flaw in a young player - Pogba's guilty of it too. But you have to keep an eye on it, or you end up like Wilshere, a bit mesmerised by your own close control and always running down blind alleys or getting outnumbered.
I'd not seen that Atletico match video, or watched that game. As impressive or more so than his strong games against Madrid and Barca. For those who didn't watch any of his games for Granada, you particularly have to take into account just how feckless they were last season. It's impressive enough to have put in enough highlights in a match for them to merit a video at all.
He and Pogba really linked well together in our first game. I would really love them to be playing together moe often
In fairness he's played two games on this tour without losing the ball or misplacing a pass.
I think Andreas is a smart kid who desperately wants to succeed at Old Trafford, is prepared to do whatever the manager asks of him, and any extravagance in his game that Mourinho doesn't like will get the chop.
Hope he starts against City. It'll be good to see how he does against a team that presses high/fast and will be on his level.
If he can come through that without looking badly then Jose HAS to keep him in mind this season.
If he can come through that without looking badly then Jose HAS to keep him in mind this season.
Shame he came on so late. Looked determined. Unfortunate that we had lost any momentum by that stage. A couple of decent low crosses into the box that got cut-out.
He is like Blind in the attacking sense. He can play as LW, RW, AM or deeper midfield and can play well. Hopefully he gets most chances in the midfield though.
With the ball at his feet, he has no problem getting gametime IMO. However, without the ball, he lacks defensive reading for DM, lack the combat skill as ball winner, or the engine for a pressing role. He's not out out wide playmaker, no 10 or winger neither. The competition for this all rounded role aka no 8 is fierce as he's to come up against Pogba, while Herrera & Fellaini are specialist for certain tactical works Mourinho prefers to employ than possession base style Pereira would prefer.
I rate his natural game, but I think he needs to fill out his game more to be able to gain more gametime. As of now, IMO he would be limited gametime as I just explained my take above.
I rate his natural game, but I think he needs to fill out his game more to be able to gain more gametime. As of now, IMO he would be limited gametime as I just explained my take above.
Sorry I disagree, he showed in the first 2 games he can hold his shape, hold his positional discipline, shut down space effectively and that he is tenacious and can win the ball. He did all the things you think he isnt good at very very well.
Yeah I get the feeling from him that he’s up for a hard tackle and a graft. It’s just finding a perfect position for him and getting him experience. Worse thing that can happen to him is if he become a player without a clear identity. A utility player that doesn’t really fit anywhere. Otherwise I think he has all the tools to become a top player.
IMO he's playing within himself for that role. He's neither effective as one step ahead in reading the situation & getting nor win the ball dominantly. In a sense I see a half Herrera & Carrick approach in his defensive play. See his mistime his intercepting attempt & ended up chasing to try win the ball back which in some cases give out cheap foul (bad ref, mind).
I put it in my previous post that as DM one needs to be very good shielding the back for, or as no 8 one needs perform a specialist tactical job well since Pogba is undroppable if one trying to compete against him in an all rounded route. Another route is to compete with Lingard but that's a workrate, & sacrificial role which in my opinion unlikely as I put it that Pereira is a player with so much grace on ball, naturally he wants the ball than running as decoy into space.
I think Jose using him as a DM in preseason could be his way of testing how he is grasping the defensive side of the game to decide if he can be relied on as an 8 during the season. On the ball he has the tools to be a special player but if he can prove that he is no passenger off it then he will to be a top top midfielder.
The lad is going to be a top footballer. He clearly has confidence. Attacks the defence. Good reading of the game. Can defend and make that pass.
If we don't buy a midfielder, I hope Jose it's because Jose has huge plans for him and will play him as our third midfielder with Pogba and Herrera
I think we could use a specialist DM in the window, but Pereira is ready to get minutes in a midfield 3 in the league for United. Not as a nailed on starter, but as a rotation option certainly.
After last night, I definitely see what you mean. He came on as a wide forward on the right, and while not often ceding possession, ran into blind alleys a lot and generally slalomed (?) around a fair bit. Obvious skill on the ball. Makes me think he's definitely better suited to playing further back and more centrally, where he has passing options in more directions. He looks more productive with the game ahead of him.
Obviously, that's only based on 15mins near the end of a friendly, so by no means conclusive. Made me think of this post straight away though!
Would love to see this guy get PL minutes. He was Ravels replacement and has the talent to go as far as anyone IMO.
Certainly one of the most promising to come out of our academy in recent years, looks like he has his head screwed on right too which can sometimes be half the battle.
I think he will start in most of the cup games along with being 70th min sub for Lingard or Martial in the PL.
I think so too, but to add to that, towards the second half of the season he'll get a significant amount of starts and by seasons end he may force his way into the first team.
I can see Martial coming on for Rashford or Lingard a lot this season. Plus with Mata and Mkhi around he'll be hard pushed for minutes there.
Coming on for Herrera or Pogba will be his better option. Only really Fellaini to compete with there.
Unfortunately i could not see this happening. Pogba and Herrera would play 90mins of their games 95% of times.
His mentality is absolutely top notch. He wasn't treated well during van Gaal's reign, but he still chose to stick it out at the club and fight for a starting spot rather than demanding a move. You can tell he loves the club and wants to give it his best shot to make it here. The good thing is, he looks like he has the skills to go with it too.
I don't think Jose will play him as a DM in the league though. Preseason is one thing, but in the league, it is likely he won't take the risk and will choose to sub him on for Pogba. But he might play as a DM in the cups against lower league teams if we are drawn against them.
I don't think Jose will play him as a DM in the league though. Preseason is one thing, but in the league, it is likely he won't take the risk and will choose to sub him on for Pogba. But he might play as a DM in the cups against lower league teams if we are drawn against them.
I think he could be a very useful DM against the parked buses due to his set pieces and great final ball, but I think he'll struggle to get time against better sides for the reasons stated. The whole is definitely less than the sum of its parts at this point until he finds a more or less permanent role that he can focus on mastering.
Completely agree. People may be getting over excited about Perreira from a good loan spell but talent is obviously there. Whether he can step up where so many talented youngsters have failed for us in the last 6-7 years is another thing altogether.
But people saying Perreira wont get opportunities, Sanches wouldnt get a game if we signed him, so and so wouldnt be a good signing. We currently have a midfield where Fellaini is very much a regular starter, where Carrick is really needed even at his age, where Herrera (who I like dont get me wrong) is being heralded as world class after just a few consistent months since he has been here. Pogba is obviousy a huge talent, hope he steps up consitently...I actually think he need the right midfield partner which could even be Perreira. There should be HUGE opportunities for Perreira or a new signing to grab the third midfield spot this season, I would go as far to say if the player is given enough opportunities and doesnt make the position there own, they arent good enough as in terms of a squad our midfield is actually pretty weak in terms of numbers quality wise.
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