Andreas Pereira | 2014/15 Performances

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DomesticTadpole said:
How many of what you would consider the Big PL clubs have kids coming through? It is a sign of the times it seems. Chelsea, City don't bring kids through, the bring them in and then sell them on. We bring the odd one through, but not the quality of player I would hope for. Apart from Pereira none of our kids look like the next big thing. Maybe like when SAF came in, it is time for the scouting and academy to have an overhaul. Trouble is that isn't LvG's priority just now and will he be here long enough to carry it through?
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Really isn't the case.

United have a number of really good prospects from the ranks(Goss,Fosu-Mensah:drool:Harrop,Thorpe)and also a number of players on loan who are showing good signs(Pearson,Rothwell,Lingard). Then let's take into account the players that have made a impact in the first team Wilson, McNair,Blackett(It's pretty clear LvG has no issue playing youth players)

kps88 said:
Maybe he's just not good enough? LVG has shown he has no problem playing young players if he thinks they're ready.
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Pretty much how I see it.
 
Raoul said:
Very true. I genuinely believe the era of youth players coming through to the first team may be over. The reason is quite simple - football has changed since Roman and the Arab sheikhs took over, which has resulted in a glut of money being thrown at emerging and established stars, which has in turn put tremendous pressure on clubs to win immediately. This reduces the time horizon whereby youth players can get enough minutes to properly develop at their original clubs, and usually results in them moving on to smaller clubs who can play them immediately. This is why we have been so successful at populating other prem sides with our youth players in recent years.
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The only thing that reduces the time to bring through young players is young players themselves, they are self-important pricks who are convinced that everything should be given to them when they turn 18 years old.
 
JPRouve said:
The only thing that reduces the time to bring through young players is young players themselves, they are self-important pricks who are convinced that everything should be given to them when they turn 18 years old.
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That may be the case for a few of them, but the vast majority are probably just kids trying to make it in football.
 
He's not going to get in midfield ahead of the likes of Blind, Carrick, Mata, Di Maria, Fellaini, Herrera etc.

Next season we should be in more competitions and he will get more opportunities to make a claim for a spot then.
If he's not looking to wait and prove his worth, then he can go.
 
Unfortunately its just the way it is for us now, at least for 3/4 seasons id have thought.

We can't afford to integrate these talented youngsters anymore when we're so set on getting back into the top 4 and being succesful again. The only way forward for us unfortunately is to build a new team full of experience that will get us to that point and gel. Only then will we be able to play inexperienced players like pereria in midfield. The kid knows we won't give him a run in the team without worrying that he has to perform in every game.

Even januzaj and wilson who have arguably looked alot better are struggling to get game time. Until we have a settled 11 that can get results whilst still carrying an inexperienced youngster players like pereria will leave.

It's infuriating but the truth. The kid won't get games with us and in all honesty for his own sake he probably is better off playing for a juve or similar team to develop. Realistically he has 15 years left of playing football - if he's confident enough in himself to believe he is ready for first team football despite what we tell him then fair enough. Im sure there are many clubs that will pay him what we will but give him many more chances in the first team.

I hope its with us, but this has got pogba all over it. Lets hope ( for us) if he does leave he doesnt become a world superstar anytime soon to rub even more salt into the wound. Would be too embarrassing.
 
Raoul said:
That may be the case for a few of them, but the vast majority are probably just kids trying to make it in football.
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From what I hear it's the majority who think that way.

I'm tired of hearing fans and young players taking shots at big clubs, a young player will need more time to break into a big club because the level of expectation is higher, if a young player don't understand that, he can get out.

At 19 years old, you are no one and you did nothing, and it's not like he did anything at youth level, he didn't shone at international level, at least players like Pogba, Kondogbia or even Herrera can brag about that, not Pereira.
 
JPRouve said:
From what I hear it's the majority who think that way.

I'm tired of hearing fans and young players taking shots at big clubs, a young player will need more time to break into a big club because the level of expectation is higher, if a young player don't understand that, he can get out.

At 19 years old, you are no one and you did nothing, and it's not like he did anything at youth level, he didn't shone at international level, at least players like Pogba, Kondogbia or even Herrera can brag about that, not Pereira.
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Its a bit more complicated than that. Young players need to play regularly to develop the skills, experience, and confidence to move to the next level. If they can't get it at big clubs because there are too many good players ahead of them, then they simply move on to slightly smaller clubs where they can play more.
 
Raoul said:
Its a bit more complicated than that. Young players need to play regularly to develop the skills, experience, and confidence to move to the next level. If they can't get it at big clubs because there are too many good players ahead of them, then they simply move on to slightly smaller clubs where they can play more.
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I agree with the playing time but you can sign a contract and agree to go on loan. Instead of that they take shots at their clubs and ask for favoritism.
 
Kag said:
Van Gaal has done nothing wrong and neither have the club.
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People were saying the same in 2012.

Not saying that Pereira will emulate Pogba, but he also looks to be a special talent. No idea why we didn't give him any minutes (bar those on Carling Cup).

Won't blame him at all for leaving us.
 
He is "blocked" at United, but at Juve on the other hand he would only have to get in ahead of Pirlo, Vidal, Pogba and Marchisio...
 
Revan said:
People were saying the same in 2012.

Not saying that Pereira will emulate Pogba, but he also looks to be a special talent. No idea why we didn't give him any minutes (bar those on Carling Cup).

Won't blame him at all for leaving us.
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And those people, including myself, had a point back in 2012. The situation is considerably different now. Pereira isn't as good as Pogba was, isn't anywhere near as physically developed, hasn't been built up in the media the same way Pogba was by Sir Alex in the summer prior to him leaving and the competition is much, much better in the position he plays.

We don't have minutes to spare and we've got more important players to give those minutes to, namely Mata, Herrera, Fellaini and another - more talented - youngster in Januzaj.

Aren't people sick of sticking it to the club on a daily basis? There are enough things to pick away at right now, but this is stretching a little.
 
JPRouve said:
The only thing that reduces the time to bring through young players is young players themselves, they are self-important pricks who are convinced that everything should be given to them when they turn 18 years old.
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This comment shows a complete and utter lack of knowledge of what it takes just to get to being at Utd as a youth player or any other club. It also shows total ignorance of how people develop as the age and the different phases of mentality people have.
 
Stack said:
This comment shows a complete and utter lack of knowledge of what it takes just to get to being at Utd as a youth player or any other club. It also shows total ignorance of how people develop as the age and the different phases of mentality people have.
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You do realize that this comments is in the context of their level, not in the absolute. They worked hard to be where they are but they didn't worked harder than the players who are already in the team, they do not deserve more chances than these players.
 
JPRouve said:
You do realize that this comments is in the context of their level, not in the absolute. They worked hard to be where they are but they didn't worked harder than the players who are already in the team, they do not deserve more chances than these players.
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Hence why they leave to play for a team they are good enough to play for.
 
I can understand why he feels there are limited opportunities at utd when we are using a formation to play as many players out of position as possible. In the current formation for game time he has to get ahead of Carrick, Blind, Herrera, Fellaini, Rooney, Di Maria, Mata, Januzaj and even Valencia (as a CM - Everton).
A change of formation to 4231 that most of us have been crying out for would drastically improve his selection chances. Earlier this year in the U21 he played as a CM and was superb in that position and IMO that's where his potential will be unlocked, Box to box midfielder. In this position he would have far less competition, only Carrick, Blind, Herrera and arguably Rooney can play in a 2 man midfield (I've not included Fellaini because IMO he's useless there).
That's where the problem is for me and probably him, when he looks at the amount of players VG is playing out of position, The players VG has frozen out and the football VG is playing I don't fault him for questioning his future here. I can't imagine him on the pitch hoofing it up to Fellaini every time he gets the ball.
The lad know how to play football and is exactly the type of young talented players we should promote through our academy but we also have to give them playing time. There is no doubt that he will become a top player, maybe not Pogba good but he will be up there. We should try and do everything to tie him down on a long term contract and send him out on loan to get first team football even if that means paying him extra, we have had to do that with Januzaj but then again if it weren't for Moyes We wouldnt have got Januzaj tied down. If LVG was here last season I don't think Januzaj would have signed either tbh.
 
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DWelbz19 said:
It's a shame. He hasn't the patience, but there has been a few opportunities to at least give him a sniff of first team football. I really hope he does go PSV rather than any big club, on the hope that if he does fufill his potential he may come back.
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...and you say this because its happened before right? If he's gone he's gone for good. I'd show him the door myself if I could.
 
JPRouve said:
The only thing that reduces the time to bring through young players is young players themselves, they are self-important pricks who are convinced that everything should be given to them when they turn 18 years old.
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No, get real, look at this season alone, we've had McNair, Wilson, Blackett breakthrough into the first team, Pereira and Wilson have show the potential over the last 2 years, Blackett was crap and McNair was unheard of really. They have all been given more than a few chances but Pereira has been given 1 where he did well and was never seen again in the first team, yet he still put in top performances in for the U21, he is at this current time our most outstanding U21 player, so the question is what more does he have to do to be given a chance?
Were using a formation that is playing so many players out of position its unreal, he has to get ahead of Carrick, Blind, Fellaini, Herrera, Rooney, Mata, Januzaj, Di Maria and even Valencia for some playing time. All we need to do is change formation to 4231 and his chances of first team football improve drastically, only Carrick, Blind, Herrera and arguably Rooney can play in a 2 man midfield, where he would fit into that is a box to box midfielder (as Herrera or Rooney would play), I don't see that happening anytime soon and I don't think he does either. Out of LVG stubbornness we knew we would have problems, this is 1 and if he was here last season Januzaj would have been #2. We can all see we need to change formation, its only 1 person who can't. This stubbornness is affecting our football and players (been frozen out) and because of it we can't get the right balance of squad depth, Pereira would add to the balance not hinder it like some of the players we have.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
He is "blocked" at United, but at Juve on the other hand he would only have to get in ahead of Pirlo, Vidal, Pogba and Marchisio...
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Same thing was said about Pogba (minus Pogba obviously, that time it was a three of Pirlo-Vidal-Marchisio)
He backed himself to break into that midfield and now he's starting CL games for them.

Again, not saying Pereira is the same, but van Gaal has done some strange things with our midfield (mostly how he treated Herrera and Mata) so I don't trust fully his judgement on their fellow midfielder Pereira (same as after years of weird midfields by SAF culminating in Park-Rafael I lost faith in his valuation of Pogba)
 
JPRouve said:
You do realize that this comments is in the context of their level, not in the absolute. They worked hard to be where they are but they didn't worked harder than the players who are already in the team, they do not deserve more chances than these players.
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And again you show a complete ignorance of rates of development, differences in personality, learning styles, maturity growth rates etc etc.
Blanket statements that players are self important pricks show just how far removed from knowing what the reality is that you are.
 
Stack said:
And again you show a complete ignorance of rates of development, differences in personality, learning styles, maturity growth rates etc etc.
Blanket statements that players are self important pricks show just how far removed from knowing what the reality is that you are.
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Can you explain it to me ?
 
berbatrick said:
Same thing was said about Pogba (minus Pogba obviously, that time it was a three of Pirlo-Vidal-Marchisio)
He backed himself to break into that midfield and now he's starting CL games for them.

Again, not saying Pereira is the same, but van Gaal has done some strange things with our midfield (mostly how he treated Herrera and Mata) so I don't trust fully his judgement on their fellow midfielder Pereira (same as after years of weird midfields by SAF culminating in Park-Rafael I lost faith in his valuation of Pogba)
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Perhaps he has heard that we are signing Pogba this summer so knows there is a free spot :drool:
 
Maybe his agent and himself, are looking for more money off us?
Would be tough to see another top prospect achieve their potential at another club, after leaving for pittance.
 
berbatrick said:
:D
Pogba-Pereira
---Morrison---
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I've been watching this lads for 2 years + other player and I was hoping/would like to have seen.....

Pereira......Pearson
Januzaj
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....In the near future. 3 extremely talented individuals with great potential.
 
Would he even start that often at PSV? They have the rejuvinated Adam Maher as their creative/attacking CM
 
FromTheBench said:
This season is crucial for him. If by the end of it, he isn't near the first team then i can totally see him leaving next summer.
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FromTheBench said:
I agree with you and he'd be 19 and half next summer, but have seen quotes from his father and him hinting that they want first team football Asap. He said he was hoping to go on tour this summer like 7/8 months back.

Anyway, i beleive he has one year left on his contract as well. So need to tied that down quickly too.

It's just a hunch i have that he could do a Daehli if he sees himself stagnating at United and foreign talented youngsters don't tend to be as patient as those coming through the academy from earlier. So this year in many ways is crucial and hope he really kicks on.
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My posts on him from July last year. Always had indications that he wasn't gonna stay around and bite his time behind the next 30 million benchwarmer etc..

Our best chance of getting him tied down seemed always at the start of the season when he was making positive indications after being involved in the squad by LVG. But then LVG never used him even as a sub despite oppurtunities and Woodward seemingly dithered around offering a deal. Should have involved him a bit and made him sign a deal.
 
Ekeke said:
Would he even start that often at PSV? They have the rejuvinated Adam Maher as their creative/attacking CM
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He can play deeper or they can play a diamond etc.. Maher might possibly be subject of interest as well from elsewhere.

Don't think starting for PSV would be a issue for him.
 
Surely if he ends up back at PSV then he can only class his time at United as a failure.
 
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NK86 said:
But this is not like the Pogba case. He is not at that level where he could easily walk into our midfield.
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Their is lot of hindsight revision that goes on with Pobga. Players grow a lot over short periods of time at that age.

And for that time Pogba wasn't exactly ready to walk in our midfield either.


Anyway, Pogba who was a bigger talent more made it a ego battle with SAF and left despite a clear path that was there in his position little sooner or later(Carrick, Cleverley and little else). For Pereira 30 million Herrera/Fellaini and 40 million Mata are already is riding the bench, and LVG wants to spunk more big money it seems on top of that. How will he even get a chance even next season ? The timing is off and he and his father seems impatient from the time he arrived.

Offering him bigger money and convincing him to be loaned out on basis of that seems our best bet.
 
I really don't get all this moaning about Fletcher playing ahead of him.

Pretty much all of Fletchers appearances came early on in the season when he was brought on for the final 10 minutes of games to try and help us keep hold of a slim lead. Would people honestly have rather we brought on a young, inexperienced, attacking midfielder in that situation? Because that would be batshit mental. Actually, saying that, I'm surprised thats not exactly what Van Gaal did.
 
Youth breaks through and makes name at sml club then big trophy winning club buys youth for big fee. That's how it works you either give youth a chance and don't win anything or buy players and win stuff.
 
Sam said:
I really don't get all this moaning about Fletcher playing ahead of him.

Pretty much all of Fletchers appearances came early on in the season when he was brought on for the final 10 minutes of games to try and help us keep hold of a slim lead. Would people honestly have rather we brought on a young, inexperienced, attacking midfielder in that situation? Because that would be batshit mental. Actually, saying that, I'm surprised thats not exactly what Van Gaal did.
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There were atleast 4/5 occasions LVG could have used him while chasing the game or when the lead was above 2 goals atleast last few minutes and he brought someone else on. I think before the QPR game at home it was even reported that he would be on the bench but not be used. That's what happened even at 4-0.
Also 2/3 occasions when Anderson was used ahead or on the bench ahead.
 
Shame. Always thought he looked a good player.

I don't understand why we don't offer him a contract to cover our bases. We will be off loading more rubbish on high wages in the summer hopefully. Give him 20/25k a week and if he isn't going to amount to anything sell him next summer.

What will happen is he will go to PSV, play well for a few seasons before earning himself a big money move elsewhere.
 
Bwuk said:
Shame. Always thought he looked a good player.

I don't understand why we don't offer him a contract to cover our bases. We will be off loading more rubbish on high wages in the summer hopefully. Give him 20/25k a week and if he isn't going to amount to anything sell him next summer.

What will happen is he will go to PSV, play well for a few seasons before earning himself a big money move elsewhere.
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He's turned down at least one contract, maybe others.
 
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