Andreas Pereira | 2014/15 Performances

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JustAFan said:
Most if not all contracts have an ending date, so if one party does not agree to a new contract or extension then the contract winds down.
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Indeed. It's letting them wind down that's the point. I have no idea, nor does anyone on here, whether there were talks over an extension. Surely we should be looking to sell if players are reluctant to sign new deals, rather than letting them wind down.

Anyhow, I have no real stance on this as none of us know what happens within the club. I was more or less playing devils advocate.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Indeed. It's letting them wind down that's the point. I have no idea, nor does anyone on here, whether there were talks over an extension. Surely we should be looking to sell if players are reluctant to sign new deals, rather than letting them wind down.

Anyhow, I have no real stance on this as none of us know what happens within the club. I was more or less playing devils advocate.
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Wouldn't you prefer if the club gave it as long as possible to try and convince them to stay, rather than give up on them 6-12 months sooner for the sake of a few million quid? (if that)
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Wouldn't you prefer if the club gave it as long as possible to try and convince them to stay, rather than give up on them 6-12 months sooner for the sake of a few million quid? (if that)
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Even if the club did that, you would have seen criticism, like with Keane and Johnstone.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Wouldn't you prefer if the club gave it as long as possible to try and convince them to stay, rather than give up on them 6-12 months sooner for the sake of a few million quid? (if that)
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Depends, I guess. I would rather sell with the possibly of a buy back clause or something of that ilk. It all depends on the circumstances.

As I said, none of us have a clue with regards to Pereira. People are bound to get frustrated when something like this happens as the Pogba saga won't be forgotten in a hurry. Again, there were definitely extenuating circumstances there, but it'll now always be brought up when a highly rated youngster leaves.
 
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jb8521 said:
They normally sign a 2 year contract when they turn 17 which is the most allowed although its more like a 2 and a half year deal because it goes until the next transfer window rather than running out in January
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Thanks mate.

So basically we gave him the max possible length pro contract, which has been winding down since. And latest news suggests that he isn't interested in signing a new one. So yeah lets blame the fecking club for that...
 
Robbie Boy said:
Depends, I guess. I would rather sell with the possibly of a buy back clause or something of that ilk. It all depends on the circumstances.

As I said, none of us have a clue with regards to Pereira. People are bound to get frustrated when something like this happens as the Pogba saga won't be forgotten in a hurry. Again, there were definitely insinuating circumstances there, but it'll now always be brought up when a highly rated youngster leaves.
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That last paragraph hits the nail on the head. However, we all have to remember that Pogba was a very unusual situation and the club generally gets these things right. Very very rare for us to end up regretting being unable to hold onto one of our academy products but countless examples of the fans getting carried away about the potential of young tootballers.
 
Most people will know that we produce talented kids but that not everyone can make it because of the standards of the league and the first team squad. There's even competition at a lower levels where we've seen Wilson overtake Keane. The fact is the kid did well against MK dons and should have had more chances. That's not happened. However, maybe LVG prefers Pearson. Only time will tell. We do produce good youth players but maybe they're paid too much. We've certainly a good an academy as anyone in the country but our situation is different and therefore you cannot take a risk on a kid and put someone that's worth millions on the bench. It's not so simple. It's easy for smaller clubs as they look long term to profit from the kids they bring through. Hopefully Pereira will stay
 

#PSV Indeed candidate club Hoelgebaum Andreas Pereira (VI yesterday). Would startling when he comes on a free transfer.
 
So we can end up losing both Gribbin and him this summer. So crap.

He was making all sorts of positive noises but saying no new deal talks yet earlier this season. Was Woody fecking sleeping ?
 


Manchester United fans are not going to be happy at all with young Andreas Pereira. As his father has been giving quotes to the Dutch press about speaking to PSV Eindhoven and a possible summer transfer there, the midfielder himself has been speaking to Tuttosport. The Turin newspaper is heavily Juventus leaning and they were first with Pogba to Juventus reports way before it actually happened.
That Pereira has even spoken to them about a possible exit will sting, that he's been so frank may spark annoyance among fans of his current club. Pereira seems to have little care for the fact he's currently a Manchester United player and his entourage have clearly been collecting offers from around Europe.

Tuttosport have made repeated comparisons with the Paul Pogba situation and Pereira himself has followed suit, telling the Turin newspaper "Everyone knows that Juve is a great club. I spoke several times with Paul, he's a great friend of mine. He told me that I would find myself in Turin very well both professionally and personally.

"These two aspects are very important to me. Right now, however, I'm blocked at United. My agent is evaluating the offers that have come to us including Juventus, but this is not a secret, neither is my recent refusal of the proposal made to me by my current club.

"Of course I know the Italian league and certainly wouldn't mind looking at playing there for one of the best. Then if I could do it with Pogba it would be even more interesting. But I say that I have not yet made a decision. Together with my entourage I'm considering all proposals that have been made and before making a decision I will have to evaluate many things, not only the economic aspect... that will be important but not binding for my final decision."

Quite what Manchester United will think of this is interesting, they're not going to like a young player being so public about leaving the club. Adnan Januzaj didn't feel the need to sell himself across Europe when he was in contract talks and the young attacker had proven far more than Pereira has at this stage. Pereira appears to be more of a star and more valuable because of the Pogba situation, and he seems to be aware of that.
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So hes gone yeah? To Juventus again would fecking sting too.
 
That sounds definitive. :(

Van Gaal should have atleast put him on bench more and given some sub minutes when he clearly had chances. Made him signed a deal earlier in the season.
 
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It would hurt so much to see another Pogba case happen.
 
FromTheBench said:
That sounds definitive. :(

Van Gaal should have atleast put him on bench more and given some sub minutes when he clearly had chances. Made him signed a deal earlier in the season.
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Van Gaal has done nothing wrong and neither have the club.
 
Kag said:
Van Gaal has done nothing wrong and neither have the club.
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Exactly, and if the interview is true, he can fck right off. This is what's happening in football. Kids who have not even broken through are acting like prima donnas. If he feels he cannot displace anyone from the current midfield or feels we don't regard him highly (which cannot be the case as we have offered him a new deal) and he wants to leave, so be it. But at least act professional. Talking to Tuttosport about how exciting it would be to play with Pogba for Juve and how he is currently "blocked" by United is not the mentality I want to see from our youngsters.
If he was as good as he thinks, he would have got the chance, just like Wilson, McNair, Blackett. If he is not ready but still wants opportunities when we can't even get players like Mata and Herrera enough minutes then he can p*** off.
 
NK86 said:
But this is not like the Pogba case. He is not at that level where he could easily walk into our midfield.
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Just in the sense that he would succeed at another big club when we've always been known to give our youngsters a chance to prove themselves.
 
DesiBD said:
Just in the sense that he would succeed at another big club when we've always been known to give our youngsters a chance to prove themselves.
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Again, nothing to show that is going to happen. Seen many youngsters, who have impressed more than him at junior levels, not really reaching the heights we all thought they would. He seems to have grown too big for his shoes. If he thinks we are not the right club for him, good riddance is all I can say.
 
People don't believe Marca but they believe Tuttosport.So true.They couldn't even have any exclusive photo of him as proof for the "interview".
 
NK86 said:
Again, nothing to show that is going to happen. Seen many youngsters, who have impressed more than him at junior levels, not really reaching the heights we all thought they would. He seems to have grown too big for his shoes. If he thinks we are not the right club for him, good riddance is all I can say.
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Spot on. And if he isn't leaving but is just trying to leverage some sort of better deal/playing time guarantee I'd call the little scrote's bluff and flog him. Jumped up prima donna twats with delusions of grandeur can get to feck - you don't build a team with them.
 
Ekeke said:
Should just go out on loan, better players than him have had to take that route
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If his contract is running out in the summer, he will have to sign a contract first. Sounds like he thinks he should be in the first team already and wants fast tracking while others have to earn the right to be there.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
If his contract is running out in the summer, he will have to sign a contract first. Sounds like he thinks he should be in the first team already and wants fast tracking while others have to earn the right to be there.
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Well I mean before now since his situation has been clear for a while, but yes he'd have to sign something
 
DesiBD said:
Just in the sense that he would succeed at another big club when we've always been known to give our youngsters a chance to prove themselves.
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And we do. Wilson and McNair are testament to that as of right now.

Ander Herrera struggles to get a game for us in midfield, yet people are whining on about some kid in the reserves. It's genuinely mental. I've little problem with Pereira or his desire to move but this is nothing like the situation we had with Pogba.
 
khoazany said:
People don't believe Marca but they believe Tuttosport.So true.They couldn't even have any exclusive photo of him as proof for the "interview".
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Problem is those are not quotes. That is an actual fkng interview. Unless Tuttosport are in the business of creative writing or winding up supporters of teams in another league, I don't know how they are made up.
 
He can go after the comments, and you know what? I wouldn't be doing any business with Juventus ever again.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
He can go after the comments, and you know what? I wouldn't be doing any business with Juventus ever again.
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To be fair they're not doing any business with us, they just poach our players for free.
 
If Juventus get him, I will hate that club for the rest of my life. Biggest scavengers of Europe they are.
 
I don't mind some young players leaving, we can't give playing time to all of them after all and at the same time can't expect them to wait forever to get an opportunity.

What I however don't like how we let them go without a buy-back option or something like that. Either extend their contract and loan them after that or sell them before the contract expires with a buy-back option. This way at least we either get some money or best case if they turn out to be good get them back.
 
Don't sell to JUVENTUS!! sell to a team that will be eager to sell him back to us in 3 years
 
Mali_Zeus said:
He wouldnt be in U21 forever and young players seem to be too impatient these days.
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They have a point to be fair given how awful we've been lately. If a young player believes in their ability and thinks they can do better than their first team counterparts then it's no surprise they'd get frustrated and want to look at their options. Pogba was good enough to break through with the midfield we had back then but he wasn't given the opportunity. The same is now happening with Pereira (except the clubs results/performances have deteriorated since the Pogba days). If a young player has any ounce of ambition then they'd be wanting to play first team football, not the U21's. I don't blame him at all tbh, like I didn't blame Pogba when he left.
 
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