What an interview... This guy is barely 19 and played like 15 minutes in the first team and thinks he is Leo fecking Messi. 
Andreas Pereira | 2014/15 Performances
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Different situations, back then our midfield wasnt very good, now we have the likes of Herrera and Mata on the bench, so its not expected that Pereira would have the advantage over them.
This year our situation is we have to get nr. 4th, there will be time for him if the stays.
Neither Herrera or Mata have set the world on fire at United though to the point where Rooney has played in midfield to plug a gap. You can therefore relate to his frustration at being stuck in the U21's (assuming he believes he's good enough to be starting for United). I think he's forced the clubs hand with that interview though (assuming it's legit).
I think lads like Pogba/Pereira understand that you can't mess about waiting. At their age they need to be playing first team football to develop and if that means leaving a big club to join a smaller one to act as a stepping stone then so be it. You may think it's impatient but if players believe they're future world stars then they'll want to prove it. Once they've proven their ability they'll have a range of clubs to pick from.
Many of us laughed at Odegaards decision to join Real Madrid because it will stunt his development and yet when one of our youngsters decides to move for playing reasons there's uproar. It'll probably be for the best if Pereira did move to PSV tbh.
So, Juventus don't want him but PSV do? It's clear that the lad is having to move down about 3 or 4 levels because that's his best offer. Let him.
If he were good enough right now, he'd be playing. If the coaching staff thought he'd be good enough in the future, there'd be a massive contract waiting for him to sign. Instead, he's dropping down to the Dutch League. I'm not fussed.
If he were good enough right now, he'd be playing. If the coaching staff thought he'd be good enough in the future, there'd be a massive contract waiting for him to sign. Instead, he's dropping down to the Dutch League. I'm not fussed.
If they get him, what's their fault?
He's a goner, should they step aside and let someone else get him out of some weird morality nonsense?
I think United have to appreciate that if you bring in the likes of Januzaj, Pogba, Pereira etc from other clubs, that they will only want to stay if they are being promoted at an early opportunity. They came here because they thought it was a better option than staying at their previous club. Given their talent, there will always be other clubs interested.
Personally I rate Pereira and once he had demonstrated his ability against MK Dons, I would have fast-tracked him into the first-team squad as LVG did, and put him on as a sub whenever the opportunity arose (LVG had him on the bench but chose to use other players). If he showed he could handle PL football then I would have given him the occasional start. Having watched Pereira play for the U21s he does look rather raw, so I'd be surprised if he could handle regular PL football without making big errors and perhaps getting sent off, given his tendency to make rather reckless challenges.
Anyway, it's a shame but there is a certain inevitability about events.
Personally I rate Pereira and once he had demonstrated his ability against MK Dons, I would have fast-tracked him into the first-team squad as LVG did, and put him on as a sub whenever the opportunity arose (LVG had him on the bench but chose to use other players). If he showed he could handle PL football then I would have given him the occasional start. Having watched Pereira play for the U21s he does look rather raw, so I'd be surprised if he could handle regular PL football without making big errors and perhaps getting sent off, given his tendency to make rather reckless challenges.
Anyway, it's a shame but there is a certain inevitability about events.
That's not the case here and you know it. All of the players we're talking about are miles better than Pereira at present.
It's a shame. He hasn't the patience, but there has been a few opportunities to at least give him a sniff of first team football. I really hope he does go PSV rather than any big club, on the hope that if he does fufill his potential he may come back.
How can anybody like Juventus? They are absolute scum, and I wouldn't be surprised if they have tapped up all the free agents they've signed on pre-contracts.
That's Pogba and possibly Pereira from us, and Kingsley Coman from PSG.
That's Pogba and possibly Pereira from us, and Kingsley Coman from PSG.
For a league that's cash strapped, its a top drawer approach. Its weird to call them "scum" because they're smart and pick top talents for free knowing they have no chance of getting top players any other way.
How so?
They just smart in the transfer market. They got Tevez, Llorente, Evra and Pirlo for peanuts.
Juve can feck right off
Definitely this. Whatever happens in the future, no one can know if he'll become a superstar or just an average player but you can't keep players who have proven nothing and who moan about playing opportunities they haven't deserved to get.
Those cnuts have an FM editor or some shit
The most talented young players are nearly always going to have a bit of the prima dona about them, they're nearly always going to be impatient and they're nearly always going to be career minded. That's the way football is.
After all, if another club is offering you better opportunities and more money then why wouldn't you go? Especially when you're a foreign player with no real allegiance to your current club.
All we can control is our reaction. Either we think he's so good that it's worth compromising and offering what it takes to keep him or we don't. If we don't then we can hardly be surprised when he decides to go for a better offer.
Don't see the point in complaining about Juve either, they're right to look after their own interests. I'm sure there have been plenty of times we've taken players from clubs who were less than happy with our methods. Again, that's the way football is.
After all, if another club is offering you better opportunities and more money then why wouldn't you go? Especially when you're a foreign player with no real allegiance to your current club.
All we can control is our reaction. Either we think he's so good that it's worth compromising and offering what it takes to keep him or we don't. If we don't then we can hardly be surprised when he decides to go for a better offer.
Don't see the point in complaining about Juve either, they're right to look after their own interests. I'm sure there have been plenty of times we've taken players from clubs who were less than happy with our methods. Again, that's the way football is.
If a player doesn't want to be here, then they can honestly go. I genuinely won't care, even if he's destined for big things (which I personally don't think he will).
If he goes, he goes.
If he goes, he goes.
Agree completely. State of some of the reactions in here. In a season where Fletcher made 14 or so first team appearances for us I think we need to look a little closer to home for someone to blame if he does leave.
Considering we stole Pogba and Periera in the first place, I don't think we occupy the moral high ground here. There's always a risk talented foreign youngsters will leave by the same door they came in. Use 'em or lose 'em.
We haven't reaped much benefit from this policy. So far Januzaj is our only success.
We haven't reaped much benefit from this policy. So far Januzaj is our only success.
He has no chance here so its only fair he moves on.
Anybody ever thought, us as supporters fan the flames of this. That we overpraise these kids. Then the agents start saying the fans are saying you are the next so and so and should be playing. If we ourselves would show a bit of patience, some of these situations might not happen.
And if we're being honest he remains a qualified success for now.
What an interview... This guy is barely 19 and played like 15 minutes in the first team and thinks he is Leo fecking Messi.
I felt embarrassed reading that. I was hoping it was made up. He hasn't even proven himself on loan yet and he's talking like he's in a position to make demands, talking about finances. Its a sad world we live in man.
Too right
Fair enough if he moves on, however this young man needs to realise that to get right to the top will take a lot of hard work. Problem is I think agents massage their ego's that much that they think they are entitled to a place in a first team. He might get a nasty shock especially at a Juventus. Pogba was a different level.
Exactly. There has been loads more as well.
That is likely what these kids are doing using us to get coaching and reputation, then move back abroad. It is a risk you take.
The question here is why aren't we setting up loans for our top young players?
Why wasn't Pogba starting for Lille or Swansea instead of getting frustrated here?
Why isn't Pereira currently playing for some mid-table La Liga side or instead of Meyler in Hull's 3 man central midfield?
Why wasn't Pogba starting for Lille or Swansea instead of getting frustrated here?
Why isn't Pereira currently playing for some mid-table La Liga side or instead of Meyler in Hull's 3 man central midfield?
I hope he fecks off to Juventus or PSV
That I do agree with, maybe these lads think or thought they were too good to go out on loan. Other boys have gone out no problem. Maybe these two had too high a sense of their own importance.
I'm wondering the same thing. Even if this forum is correct and Andreas is the next Pogba, what makes him think he should be playing while other young talents like Oliver Torres at Atletico, who has proven more, has to go out on loan to Porto to get gametime?
We have £30 million+ players competing for the same spot he is and they are being left out, of course its not realistic for him to get gametime. So go out on loan, come back a more complete player and professional and the coach will make way for you in the summer if you look a better bet than what we have.
I have no proof, but I doubt these guys would turn down a good loan move. Why would they?
Pogba could have gone anywhere but PSG and maybe Marseille, Lyon or another side or two his last year here and walked into the team. He wouldn't be happy spending a year at Bordeaux, St. Etienne or Lille in his own country, playing Europa league ball and getting 40 starts, if he was told that if he plays well he'll be a real part of the first team here upon his return? And we'd know better if he was good enough, or in his case, if he wasn't too lackadaisical.
Pogba could have gone anywhere but PSG and maybe Marseille, Lyon or another side or two his last year here and walked into the team. He wouldn't be happy spending a year at Bordeaux, St. Etienne or Lille in his own country, playing Europa league ball and getting 40 starts, if he was told that if he plays well he'll be a real part of the first team here upon his return? And we'd know better if he was good enough, or in his case, if he wasn't too lackadaisical.
The little man thinks he'll be able to just walk into the Juventus first team. You're right, Pogba was a stratosphere above this kid at the same age.
That's a bit bleak given he is our only real CM prospect from the current youth set up.
He really has no chance. Why would endless players stay in the United reserves when they could actually play regularly for a variety of established clubs elsewhere.
I'm not disagreeing with that aspect, just saying that it's disconcerting that we aren't producing anything much for the first team from this current youth crop.
People can talk all they want about how we are not to blame but the simple fact is that this lad is clearly gifted and he should have been on loan to a decent club and getting first team football or at the very least be introduced off the bench and given some minutes here and there.. to judge if he is good enough and send out the message that we give kids a fair shot of making the first team in positions such as midfield.
What young midfielder is going to want to play for this club after how we've dealt with Pogba and Pereira. He might flop but the fact remains, he looks technically above most of the midfielders he comes up against week in week out and deserved a push into the first team.. if guys like Cleverley can get games, and Fletch in his current state.. unbelievable he didn't get some minutes, especially as he was the stand out performer v MK Dons.
What young midfielder is going to want to play for this club after how we've dealt with Pogba and Pereira. He might flop but the fact remains, he looks technically above most of the midfielders he comes up against week in week out and deserved a push into the first team.. if guys like Cleverley can get games, and Fletch in his current state.. unbelievable he didn't get some minutes, especially as he was the stand out performer v MK Dons.
How many of what you would consider the Big PL clubs have kids coming through? It is a sign of the times it seems. Chelsea, City don't bring kids through, the bring them in and then sell them on. We bring the odd one through, but not the quality of player I would hope for. Apart from Pereira none of our kids look like the next big thing. Maybe like when SAF came in, it is time for the scouting and academy to have an overhaul. Trouble is that isn't LvG's priority just now and will he be here long enough to carry it through?
Maybe he's just not good enough? LVG has shown he has no problem playing young players if he thinks they're ready.
Very true. I genuinely believe the era of youth players coming through to the first team may be over. The reason is quite simple - football has changed since Roman and the Arab sheikhs took over, which has resulted in a glut of money being thrown at emerging and established stars, which has in turn put tremendous pressure on clubs to win immediately. This reduces the time horizon whereby youth players can get enough minutes to properly develop at their original clubs, and usually results in them moving on to smaller clubs who can play them immediately. This is why we have been so successful at populating other prem sides with our youth players in recent years.
That seems to be how academies are run now. That the kids get the coaching, good grounding, then move on for a small fee and at least have a career lower down the ladder. As you say it is now win now at all costs, so the kids will not get the time at a big club to develop.
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