Andreas Pereira | 2014/15 Performances

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Ekeke said:
He's more likely to get a 2nd contract at PSV and they're more likely to offer him wages on a par with their high earners. He also then has the option to join a big club for a big payday, something that'll be a lot harder from here

Regardless of whether you think its important, he's told you its important and didnt mention any other factors. Theres a reason for that
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Even then, it would highly be an improvement on what he could earn. Not saying he is as good or as talented, but Januzaj earns more than twice as much as the best paid player in the Eredivisie does (80 k per week), it's just not likely that PSV would offer him something that's even comparable to what Pereira could earn here. Even Juventus wouldnt offer him some huge money, does someone know how much they paid Pogba in the beginning?

I think we should agree to disagree, money is a factor but I dont think he's doing this for that.
 
Invictus said:
Err it's Tuttosport, Juventus' mouthpiece. And you're hoping Pereira leaves without even questioning the validity of the source ?
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Thats a very mouthy quote. Even a publication like Metro star wouldn't go that far. Most of the fake quotes come from fake twitter/social media 'journos' for notoriety. Tuttosports don't have to sink that low....they've been in publication since the 40s and they get respect for the Golden boy awards. I just wonder what makes you think its all made up...and can you point me to any past articles where they've made up proven fake quotes?
 
The thing about the quote too is that we don't know the context. How do we know he wasn't asked a question which related to money?
I'm not saying he isn't a money grabbing dueche, but to be perfectly honest, most on the caf called the fact that his lack of opportunities this season would lead to his departure. Seems the more likely thing to me.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Even then, it would highly be an improvement on what he could earn. Not saying he is as good or as talented, but Januzaj earns more than twice as much as the best paid player in the Eredivisie does (80 k per week), it's just not likely that PSV would offer him something that's even comparable to what Pereira could earn here. Even Juventus wouldnt offer him some huge money, does someone know how much they paid Pogba in the beginning?

I think we should agree to disagree, money is a factor but I dont think he's doing this for that.
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Januzaj proved enough last season to be given the 11 shirt this season, Pereira would need to actually do something first before he was subject to similar wages.

I'm not saying he's only looking elsewhere for money, he's clearly looking to get some first team games as he hasnt found that here this season.

But we know he's far more likely to get those games next season when we're in europe and hopefully dont crash out of the cup so fast. So that point isn't so clear. In fact in almost every scenario he'd be just as well off signing a new contract here - if he wants to play more at somewhere like PSV, send him to the Netherlands on loan next season to a different club. If he wants less games but to be involved at United, he'll get that next season here.

And its pretty alarming that he's mentioned that finances are important and doesnt mention anything else, that suggests a questionable character as does looking to leave already.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Even then, it would highly be an improvement on what he could earn. Not saying he is as good or as talented, but Januzaj earns more than twice as much as the best paid player in the Eredivisie does (80 k per week), it's just not likely that PSV would offer him something that's even comparable to what Pereira could earn here. Even Juventus wouldnt offer him some huge money, does someone know how much they paid Pogba in the beginning?

I think we should agree to disagree, money is a factor but I dont think he's doing this for that.
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Let him go I say. He feels he's ready to be a starter somewhere. We can't accommodate his demands at the moment when we have so many players in midfield. We've offered him a contract and he's rejected it. He needs to be realistic about his situation in this team. Best he can do IMO is sign the contract and ask for a loan move next season.

Once proving himself on loan he'd come back a better player and be ready to fully make an assault on ensuring a first team/starting 11 berth. But no, it appears he wants immediate assurances about game time and also more money otherwise he wouldnt mention financials after rejecting United's offer. Good riddance

@Sammyjunn Januzaj is not on 80k btw
 
Cassidy said:
The thing about the quote too is that we don't know the context. How do we know he wasn't asked a question which related to money?
I'm not saying he isn't a money grabbing dueche, but to be perfectly honest, most on the caf called the fact that his lack of opportunities this season would lead to his departure. Seems the more likely thing to me.
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I wish him the best of luck. Actually I don't care :devil:
 
Loublaze said:
Thats a very mouthy quote. Even a publication like Metro star wouldn't go that far. Most of the fake quotes come from fake twitter/social media 'journos' for notoriety. Tuttosports don't have to sink that low....they've been in publication since the 40s and they get respect for the Golden boy awards. I just wonder what makes you think its all made up...and can you point me to any past articles where they've made up proven fake quotes?
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Everyone knows Tutto is one of the most unreliable sports publications out there, especially when it comes to fictionalizing stories from a Juventus perspective. Their modus operandi is to link Juventus with every single player in the world = more clicks and more papers sold.

Don't even have to dig deep. Check up the Juventus/ Ibrahimovic/ Hansson or the Frank Schouten mis-quotes. There's a saying among Serie A followers that Juventus fan lap up Tuttosport articles while the rest of the league uses it as toilet paper.

And what does the Golden Boy have to do with anything ? What kind of reasoning is that ? One could similarly argue that the Daily Mail hands out a dozen different awards each year, and not just for sports. Yet they were accused of making quotes up :



And Tutto is the lowest of the low when it comes to football and specifically Juventus stories. There are very few reliable outlets where you can atleast speak with some conviction (eg. The Independent) and Tutto isn't one of them.

But never you mind. Pereira must be sent packing right this minute !
 
Invictus said:
Everyone knows Tutto is one of the most unreliable sports publications out there, especially when it comes to fictionalizing stories from a Juventus perspective. Their modus operandi is to link Juventus with every single player in the world = more clicks and more papers sold.

Don't even have to dig deep. Check up the Juventus/ Ibrahimovic/ Hansson or the Frank Schouten mis-quotes. There's a saying among Serie A followers that Juventus fan lap up Tuttosport articles while the rest of the league uses it as toilet paper.

And what does the Golden Boy have to do with anything ? What kind of reasoning is that ? One could similarly argue that the Daily Mail hands out a dozen different awards each year, and not just for sports. Yet they were accused of making quotes up :



And Tutto is the lowest of the low when it comes to football and specifically Juventus stories. There are very few reliable outlets where you can atleast speak with some conviction (eg. The Independent) and Tutto isn't one of them.

But never you mind. Pereira must be sent packing right this minute !
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Very well, I still think the boy is stupid and misguided and its not solely because of that article. He has in fact rejected a contract offer and other articles have pointed to his father and agent talking about a lack of playing time. I guess they're all made up...fire starts from nowhere.
 
Loublaze said:
Very well, I still think the boy is stupid and misguided and its not solely because of that article. He has in fact rejected a contract offer and other articles have pointed to his father and agent talking about a lack of playing time. I guess they're all made up...fire starts from nowhere.
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Out of curiosity, why do you think he is misguided? Or stupid?
 
Loublaze said:
Let him go I say. He feels he's ready to be a starter somewhere. We can't accommodate his demands at the moment when we have so many players in midfield. We've offered him a contract and he's rejected it. He needs to be realistic about his situation in this team. Best he can do IMO is sign the contract and ask for a loan move next season.

Once proving himself on loan he'd come back a better player and be ready to fully make an assault on ensuring a first team/starting 11 berth. But no, it appears he wants immediate assurances about game time and also more money otherwise he wouldnt mention financials after rejecting United's offer. Good riddance

@Sammyjunn Januzaj is not on 80k btw
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He is, at least something in that region. Mist sources have stated that, let me put it that way.
 
Cassidy said:
Out of curiosity, why do you think he is misguided? Or stupid?
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Maybe that was a bit harsh, but Im assuming he's turning down the contract for playtime and financial reasons. United offer decent contracts, so im pretty sure whats been offered is a good reflection of where he stands in the team.
Pogba was reportedly offered about the same amount (some say we even offered more...30k/ a week and he ended up getting 20k at Juve) he ended up signing to Juventus for, so maybe its more about game time assurances. LVG can't give him assurances about playing time, and he hasn't done anything to be in a position to demand or expect such assurances. If he wants to leave good for him.

My guess is his agent and his advisers have probably got in his head and made him believe he's worth more than he is, thats where the 'misguided' comes into play for me. He's not a wonderkid, he's just a talented youth player.
 
Loublaze said:
Maybe that was a bit harsh, but Im assuming he's turning down the contract for playtime and financial reasons. United offer decent contracts, so im pretty sure whats been offered is a good reflection of where he stands in the team.
Pogba was reportedly offered about the same amount (some say we even offered more...30k/ a week and he ended up getting 20k at Juve) he ended up signing to Juventus for, so maybe its more about game time assurances. LVG can't give him assurances about playing time, and he hasn't done anything to be in a position to demand or expect such assurances. If he wants to leave good for him.

My guess is his agent and his advisers have probably got in his head and made him believe he's worth more than he is. He's not a wonderkid, he's just a talented youth player.
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So if you we're him, out of curiosity would you sign a new contract at United? (even though you only played a good 25 odd minutes for the 1st team)
Or would you go to PSV (or somewhere else) where you could play a lot of first team games and if you prove yourself play UCL football?
If they both offered the same financial package?
 
Ekeke said:
Januzaj proved enough last season to be given the 11 shirt this season, Pereira would need to actually do something first before he was subject to similar wages.

I'm not saying he's only looking elsewhere for money, he's clearly looking to get some first team games as he hasnt found that here this season.

But we know he's far more likely to get those games next season when we're in europe and hopefully dont crash out of the cup so fast. So that point isn't so clear. In fact in almost every scenario he'd be just as well off signing a new contract here - if he wants to play more at somewhere like PSV, send him to the Netherlands on loan next season to a different club. If he wants less games but to be involved at United, he'll get that next season here.

And its pretty alarming that he's mentioned that finances are important and doesnt mention anything else, that suggests a questionable character as does looking to leave already.
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I know, not saying he should be given that but if bloody Blackett can earn a fair amount, Pereira can too. Pereira is 19, if he goes on loan to a club like PSV he'll get a lot less chances than he would when signed by them. Signing for PSV is a far better option than extending the contract and then going on loan. Even Januzaj here who proved himself rarely gets chances in this side. If Pereira signs for PSV, he'll play CL, may end up winning prizes and if he performs similar to Bakkali/Depay he can get himself wanted by topclubs all over Europe and play every week and develop himself rapidly, that's a far better option than getting games here rarely, having the task to outperform world class players in the first team, same thing Welbeck struggled with for example.
 
Everybody says and thinks how this is the "new Pogba" case, but Pogba is one in a hundred. No doubt that Pereira is talented, but he's nowhere near the first 11, not even first 18. Just look at all the world class stars that left United in the last few years: Zeki Fryers, Ravel Morisson, Mats Moller Daehli, Paul Pogba. Only Pogba lived up to the hype. Daehli is solid, but definitely not good enough for United. Fryers doesn't even play and Morrison will probably end up like Championship / Premier League relegation player and go to USA / India / Australia before he turns 30. Pereira might become world class, but if he thinks he can become better player in Juventus, in a league that is sinking more and more which is dominated by one team.. fine. Pogba is great I'm not saying he's not and I would like that he stayed, but no way he could be as easily dominant in Premier League as he is in Serie A nowdays.
 
Telcontar said:
Everybody says and thinks how this is the "new Pogba" case, but Pogba is one in a hundred. No doubt that Pereira is talented, but he's nowhere near the first 11, not even first 18. Just look at all the world class stars that left United in the last few years: Zeki Fryers, Ravel Morisson, Mats Moller Daehli, Paul Pogba. Only Pogba lived up to the hype. Daehli is solid, but definitely not good enough for United. Fryers doesn't even play and Morrison will probably end up like Championship / Premier League relegation player and go to USA / India / Australia before he turns 30. Pereira might become world class, but if he thinks he can become better player in Juventus, in a league that is sinking more and more which is dominated by one team.. fine. Pogba is great I'm not saying he's not and I would like that he stayed, but no way he could be as easily dominant in Premier League as he is in Serie A nowdays.
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Not being funny but when was Zeki Fryers ever rated as some world class star?
 
Cassidy said:
So if you we're him, out of curiosity would you sign a new contract at United? (even though you only played a good 25 odd minutes for the 1st team)
Or would you go to PSV (or somewhere else) where you could play a lot of first team games and if you prove yourself play UCL football?
If they both offered the same financial package?
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Can't really say, its different actually facing the situation. If I feel im good enough and my ultimate aim is to play for a big team than i'd sign with the big team im already at and prove myself on loan or hope to break through the following season when I know i'll have more chances to play (likely CL season, cups). At 19 I still have at least two seasons to really have a go at proving my worth to United...but of course in real life i'll have agents telling me other things.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Even that is a bit more than thrice as much as the amount Ajax' best player gets. Psv pays a bit better so lets say that's a factor of 1,5 till 2. We are the club of overpaying, staying would be best for him financially (probably).
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So what you're saying is that he has a right to demand more playing time at this moment?
 
Loublaze said:
Can't really say, its different actually facing the situation. If I feel im good enough and my ultimate aim is to play for a big team than i'd sign with the big team im already at and prove myself on loan or hope to break through the following season when I know i'll have more chances to play (likely CL season, cups). At 19 I still have at least two seasons to really have a go at proving my worth to United...but of course in real life i'll have agents telling me other things.
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Interesting, I'd probably have the opposite view to you, but I see where you are coming from. I just think its incredibally hard for a young player to break through especially when the team is in transition and spending money like no bodies business. I'm not even sure he would get a look in next season since midfield is a priority for LVG in the summer.
I think players like De Bruyne are an example, just go away and play football somewhere for a lesser team and make a name for yourself. I doubt Pereira is going to improve much playing more U21 football tbh
 
Loublaze said:
So what you're saying is that he has a right to demand more playing time at this moment?
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Was not what I said but I think he's right to demand a chance given, some cameo's here and there, more minutes in the FA..Because he has arguably been the best player in the u21, of course he has great competition so his minutes were always going to be limited, but just a chance given should have been the case.
 
Cassidy said:
Interesting, I'd probably have the opposite view to you, but I see where you are coming from. I just think its incredibally hard for a young player to break through especially when the team is in transition and spending money like no bodies business. I'm not even sure he would get a look in next season since midfield is a priority for LVG in the summer.
I think players like De Bruyne are an example, just go away and play football somewhere for a lesser team and make a name for yourself. I doubt Pereira is going to improve much playing more U21 football tbh
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I agree, which is why im surprised he hasn't requested a loan yet. Evans, Beckham and Welbeck all did well coming back from loans. Anyway, its what it is. I don't consider him a wonderkid. I'll be surprised if he becomes as good as Pogba.
 
Really unlikely he'll be as good as Pogba. We'll be lucky if he can reach the heights of Gibson or Anderson, who were actually reasonably successful with us at their best.

I don't think he'll make it here, but he certainly has a shot if he can kick on, the raw talent is enough if he's dedicated.
 
Sammyjunn said:
I know, not saying he should be given that but if bloody Blackett can earn a fair amount, Pereira can too. Pereira is 19, if he goes on loan to a club like PSV he'll get a lot less chances than he would when signed by them. Signing for PSV is a far better option than extending the contract and then going on loan. Even Januzaj here who proved himself rarely gets chances in this side. If Pereira signs for PSV, he'll play CL, may end up winning prizes and if he performs similar to Bakkali/Depay he can get himself wanted by topclubs all over Europe and play every week and develop himself rapidly, that's a far better option than getting games here rarely, having the task to outperform world class players in the first team, same thing Welbeck struggled with for example.
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Januzaj lost his chance because he played several games and didnt do well. He's just had a good performance and we'll see how often he plays now
 
He's good and has a lot of talent but I can't be bothered. This is nothing like Pogba's situation when we were crying out for a CM but never gave him a real crack at it. We're in a very unstable period and it's not the best time to blood young players, secondly, we have better players in midfield and #10. If he wants to leave then let him leave.
 
Juve denying interest, and his agent saying they are awaiting a new offer from us.. Not looking as horrible today as it did yesterday.
 
As I've said before I've no idea whether he will stay or go but people saying we should get rid of him because he rejected a contract offer clearly have no idea how negotiations work. Blackett and McNair both rejected the initial offers as well as will almost every player. Nearly as ridiculous as people saying get rid of him because someone on twitter google translated something from a notoriously unreliable source and put it alongside an old picture of him to make it look as if he'd put it up himself. The only thing for sure is that he is still speaking with united regarding his future. His father also has a lot of friends in the media in Holland and Belgium as an ex player so I wouldn't be surprised if some of these stories are tactical either
 
jb8521 said:
As I've said before I've no idea whether he will stay or go but people saying we should get rid of him because he rejected a contract offer clearly have no idea how negotiations work. Blackett and McNair both rejected the initial offers as well as will almost every player. Nearly as ridiculous as people saying get rid of him because someone on twitter google translated something from a notoriously unreliable source and put it alongside an old picture of him to make it look as if he'd put it up himself. The only thing for sure is that he is still speaking with united regarding his future. His father also has a lot of friends in the media in Holland and Belgium as an ex player so I wouldn't be surprised if some of these stories are tactical either
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hope you're right, would be very painful losing him as I had high hopes for the kid and watched his development for some time. He seemed nice lad off the pitch supporting the team on twitter even he didn't get on the bench most of the time so I guess we will give him better second offer, tie him down and loan him if he wants to play first team football. I think he's having better season than Pogba's was before he left..
 
Telcontar said:
Everybody says and thinks how this is the "new Pogba" case, but Pogba is one in a hundred. No doubt that Pereira is talented, but he's nowhere near the first 11, not even first 18. Just look at all the world class stars that left United in the last few years: Zeki Fryers, Ravel Morisson, Mats Moller Daehli, Paul Pogba. Only Pogba lived up to the hype. Daehli is solid, but definitely not good enough for United. Fryers doesn't even play and Morrison will probably end up like Championship / Premier League relegation player and go to USA / India / Australia before he turns 30. Pereira might become world class, but if he thinks he can become better player in Juventus, in a league that is sinking more and more which is dominated by one team.. fine. Pogba is great I'm not saying he's not and I would like that he stayed, but no way he could be as easily dominant in Premier League as he is in Serie A nowdays.
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Pogba, would as big a player in the EPL as he is becoming in Italy, the fact its supposed to be a lesser league means nothing. You simply have to look at his ability, his attitude (cocky is a good thing) his desire and his continual improvement to know he would be a success no matter what team he played in, no matter what league.
I dont think Perriera is in the same class as Pogba but it will be a shame to lose one of our best U21 players. However the timing of everything is unfortunate and if he feels he needs to move to progress then fair enough. Would prefer he stayed but wont hate him if he goes. I think he is going to be a quality player by the time he is 25, a big player for whatever team he plays for. He has all the important attributes to succeed.
 
Mr Anderson said:
Modern footballers....

We have a manager who isn't afraid to play youth. Blackett and mcnair might have been a bit default, but a rusty looking Adnan still gets belief from LvG

He he doesn't have the patience, temperament or fight to prove his worth to the first team, then I do hope he goes. Last thing we need considering we need to fight to get back to the top as a team anyways
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Wouldn't that 2nd paragraph also have applied to Pogba?
 
Loublaze said:
So what you're saying is that he has a right to demand more playing time at this moment?
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I'd say so, yes. If the club wants to keep hold of him, they have to offer him more playing time (or more money). TBH everyone here would do the same thing. You'd take the best offer, wouldn't you?

The chance for him to make it here is slim and he's probably not getting paid enough to compensate for that.


The quotes probably didn't do him any favour but it's totally valid to take the best offer.
 
Give him 20K a week, and send him on loan next season, can't be that difficult surely? Once pro players who've done a lot(hererra) start complementing youth players then you know there's something about them. If he goes to juve, then I'll know that we just aren't a serious organisation anymore.
 
RooneyLegend said:
Give him 20K a week, and send him on loan next season, can't be that difficult surely? Once pro players who've done a lot(hererra) start complementing youth players then you know there's something about them. If he goes to juve, then I'll know that we just aren't a serious organisation anymore.
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This is so not right my friend. We've offered him a contract. Why has he rejected it?
 
Loublaze said:
He's not only talking to PSV

"I have spoken with Pogba many times, he is a good friend and he told me that I would be well served in moving to Turin, both personally and professionally, two important things for me.

"At this time I'm tied to United. My agent is evaluating the offers that have arrived, including that of Juventus, but it's no secret. Just as it's no secret that I have turned down the offers made by my current club.

"I know the Italian league and I certainly would not be disappointed to play there as is one of the best leagues. But I have not taken a decision yet.
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He's such a good friend that he refers to him by his surname rather than his first name. Pidier.
 
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