Time on the pitch does not depend upon the number of years he has left on the contract. He would have got the same or probably less time on the pitch had he signed a new contract earlier. If someone wants to leave, then they will leave.
Andreas Pereira | 2014/15 Performances
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See Chelsea / Courtois as an example
We should have sent him on loan to a club competing for the Spanish title a year ago? How do you think that would have worked?
He's probably ready for a loan this summer. No way was he ready a year ago.
Not necessarily to a club competing for the Spanish title
But we should have been monitoring his development more closely, and ensuring that he was on a contract long enough to enable him to go out on loan when he was ready (e.g. next season) rather than having his contract run out just as he was ready for this next step in his development. We could also have done more to make him feel valued.
Not letting his contract run down, obviously. It's not overly hard to comprehend. Then maybe we could have loaned him out. I know it's very complex.
Not necessarily to a club competing for the Spanish title
But we should have been monitoring his development more closely, and ensuring that he was on a contract long enough to enable him to go out on loan when he was ready (e.g. next season) rather than having his contract run out just as he was ready for this next step in his development. We could also have done more to make him feel valued.
That's all very vague. You've no idea when he was last offered a contract. As for making him "feel valued", what does that mean? He's been training with the first team. Been include in match-day squads. Travelling with the team to away games. What more could be done? Give him games instead of other, similar, players desperate for more minutes, like Mata, Januzaj or Hererra?
This might blow your mind but getting a player tied down on a new contract involves, you know, the player. If the club could do this all on their own then life would be very simple.
This is all just the same idiotic comments you hear every time a player runs down his contract. Why didn't we extend his contract a year ago?!? As though it didn't occur to anyone at the club that the contract was running down and they could have unilaterally extended it whenever they wanted. Get a grip.
The bottom line is that if a youn footballer wants to change clubs then that's it. Nothing anyone at the club can do, other than try to convince them to stay. Which will obviously be happening in the case of any youngster with decent potential.
You're obviously in the minority here, I'm sorry you don't understand what everyone else is saying - sometimes its best to stop digging a hole
I was hoping you could share some of your wisdom with me. Oh well.
Pretty fed up hearing everyone on here go on about how the club doesn't give enough chances to young players. He's 19 for feck sake, he'd have to be a very special talent to get game time in the Premier League at that age when we can't even give the likes of Herrera and Mata enough time in our midfield. He's the sort of player you give some minutes in league cup games, so he's been unlucky we were knocked out so early. As for Van Gaal giving chances to Fletcher and Anderson over him, he's given them half a season to prove themselves, they failed and he's moved them on at the first opportunity. Pretty sensible if you ask me. Ideally we'd give Pereira a new contract and loan him out next season, but there's no way you can blame the club or Van Gaal for not giving him chances in the first team this season.
OK, you talk about 'giving him games' as the answer - how many games did Chelsea give Courtois before he seamlessly transitioned into the first team? Not many. I don't think that we use the loan system very well at all. We seem to use it largely to do a favour for club old boys who have moved into management at Sunderland, Preston, or wherever rather than it being the best move for the player's development.
Courtois went on loan when he was ready. I don't think Pereira was ready to go on loan a year ago. Certainly not to a club where he would be playing the type of football that would benefit his development. Do you think differently? Where should he have been sent last summer?
Also, coming back to your own point, what would have made him feel "more valued"? Involving him with the first team as we have done, or shipping him out on loan?
There was no need to give Fletcher and Anderson half a season to prove themselves though. It was clear at the start of the season that their days were over here. LVG should have been able see that sooner than he did.
Maybe club didnt celebrate his birthday.
Jokes aside, you're right, what else club could have done.
And I find asuming that in this kind of stories its all gloom and doom here and everybody blames the club for not signing him. Its not as if player has anything with it, right?
Courtois was ready when they bought him from Genk, Pereira wasn't ready last season, at least not to play at the very good level.
Not true. Fletcher was one of our better players in pre-season. The first time van Gaal worked with the squad.
As for Anderson, one disasterous CC game aside (when Pereira came on off the bench) has he featured at all?
Anderson was one time instead of him on the bench if I'm not mistaken.
Nobody knows this for sure at this point. What he does have is all the right attributes in place but nobody knows with absolute certainty that he wont be a top 20 midfielder. What he is, is one of our best u21 players and it seems a shame to let him go.
You are missing Pogues point completely. Might be best if you stop digging holes.
The 'majority' aren't always right. Especially on the caf, where there's a 'majority' always waiting to swoop on any negative news.
On topic, the club wants to give him a new contract. If he still wants to quit, I don't see any issue. With lads like Herrera and Mata warming the bench, he's clearly not good enough to feature in games. This is vastly different to the Pogba situation.
So almost not at all then. Who's to say Pereira didn't have some sort of niggle at the time, anyway.
Exactly. People panic about that one time Anderson was on the bench instead of him. Hilarious. But we're in a minority here so maybe we shoud be quiet.
Interesting how Falcao said in the MEN interview with Herrera.
Falcao's English is decent but he responds shyly. Herrera translated the odd sentence for him during their kick-about on the 3G pitch adjacent to Sir Alex Ferguson's statue and is the extrovert in Old Trafford's Salford Suite.
"I didn't know how good the academy is here," he confesses.
"Adnan Januzaj and Andreas Pereira are young players for Manchester United that are going to be very important players for many years."
Falcao's English is decent but he responds shyly. Herrera translated the odd sentence for him during their kick-about on the 3G pitch adjacent to Sir Alex Ferguson's statue and is the extrovert in Old Trafford's Salford Suite.
"I didn't know how good the academy is here," he confesses.
"Adnan Januzaj and Andreas Pereira are young players for Manchester United that are going to be very important players for many years."
I'm not saying that he should have been loaned out when he wasn't ready, just that he should have had a contract long enough so that he could be loaned out (under contract) when he was ready, so that we could see how good he really is.
Not sure what the issue is here. He looks a fine player but not the kind of outrageous talent that we'd be crazy to lose, or should be shifting out the likes of Mata or Herrera just to fit into the team.
Everyone's paranoid after Pogba, but that was the exception. You could tell in a minute that Pogba would be world class. Pereira, not so obvious. Could turn out a flop, could be a world beater, more likely he'll end up on the continent carving out a fine career for himself but not cementing a first team role at Bayern/Real/Barca.
Everyone's paranoid after Pogba, but that was the exception. You could tell in a minute that Pogba would be world class. Pereira, not so obvious. Could turn out a flop, could be a world beater, more likely he'll end up on the continent carving out a fine career for himself but not cementing a first team role at Bayern/Real/Barca.
The club can't force him to sign a new contract, though.
Clearly, the contract isn't an issue. We're giving him a new one. If the player wants to move, the whole argument is pointless.
Yeah that's great and all. But the fact is, no one knows either way how his contract situation was handled. You seem certain that your assumptions are correct. People are entitled to speculate considering how this will be the second time that a highly rated youngster has been allowed to leave for nowt. Now, considering we fended off interest to get both Pogba and Pereira, it seems bizarre that both their contracts were able to wind down.
Also someone like @jb8521 can clarify better, but when these 16 year olds get signed for the first time, they can only sign a 3 year deal.
Guess some will use this one day as something to blame the club,after all its always clubs fault in this kind situations.
he had a fair few chances to get some minutes from the bench this year, it's really bad management by van Gaal. Especially during the injury crysis Pereira should have had some minutes at later stages of the games. We will regret this at some point, not saying he will be pogba level player but he will surely play in top flight club one day.
BUt I hope it's not true anyway. Wel and why don't we give him good money and loan him to PSV or wherever he wants and is wanted to come back one day, like Chelsea did with Curtois even it's slightly different situations. The lad always seem to love United judging by his tweets..
BUt I hope it's not true anyway. Wel and why don't we give him good money and loan him to PSV or wherever he wants and is wanted to come back one day, like Chelsea did with Curtois even it's slightly different situations. The lad always seem to love United judging by his tweets..
I think the problem is just the fact he's not quite ready yet, and it's an awful time for us to have his contract ending this year, in a season where we've played the least games since.. god knows when, opportunities have been scarce and the league games are too important in the race for top 4 to blood him.
I'm a fan of his, I think he'll be a good player in a top league for someone in a 3-4 years time, but again, I think it's more a bad timing issue rather than a miss-management issue.
I'm a fan of his, I think he'll be a good player in a top league for someone in a 3-4 years time, but again, I think it's more a bad timing issue rather than a miss-management issue.
It's not hard to see why Van Gaal would give Fletcher chances. He's a model professional and a pretty versatile player. A good option to have on the bench. Once it became clear he was past it, Van Gaal didn't really play him anymore. I say half a season because it's the minimum amount of time before he could sell him, not because it took so long for Van Gaal to make up his mind. And Anderson was clearly out of favour much sooner. The point was that the certainly didn't stand in Pereira's way, as some have argued in this thread.
They normally sign a 2 year contract when they turn 17 which is the most allowed although its more like a 2 and a half year deal because it goes until the next transfer window rather than running out in January
How has he been allowed? Do you know if he's been offered a contract or not? If that's the case and he doesnt want it how have club then allowed him to go.
NSIS... I'll bite.. We waited until now (And still haven't) offered him a new contract, we gave him very few sub appearances, while gave players that were clearly past it with no future minutes in the 1st team, that's an indication of what the club thinks, had that been different, I believe he might have stayed, which one could argue that if planned better, he may have got more minutes, rather than Darren & Ando
Huh? Do you know something I don't? Where did you hear that?
Not necessarily to a club competing for the Spanish title
But we should have been monitoring his development more closely, and ensuring that he was on a contract long enough to enable him to go out on loan when he was ready (e.g. next season) rather than having his contract run out just as he was ready for this next step in his development. We could also have done more to make him feel valued.
So what were we doing with him all this time then?
Most if not all contracts have an ending date, so if one party does not agree to a new contract or extension then the contract winds down.
You believe but you dont know.
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