So what you're saying is he will only be starting matches Morata is injured for or coming on when we need goals at home? Sounds like a bench player to me.
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Yeah, he already was… for van Gaal's United. Do you want us to play like that again?
And you think that's the only system he's capable of playing well in?
A bit narrow minded really.
Who were our bench players last season in the attack?
From what I've seen of Belotti he's more than just an out & out no. 9. He can play all across the forward line.
Of course not, I think he has a chance at left winger in 4-2-3-1, where he could hardly score that many, though. And also in 4-4-2, as one of the forwards, but he would be Rashford's substitute, at least in the beginning of the season. Actually, that's where Martial ended last season playing.
He had a bad season this year , because he struggled to cope with workrate demands in wide position. Its not like Only LVg can get the best out of him, Mourinho too can provided he is used right this season. He needs freedom from defensive duties to be more deadlier in the box.
While that may be true would it not make more sense to sign a legitimate wide player?
Yeah, Mourinho is not going to give him that, he's no Ronaldo, you know?
Yeah, that's probably why Bournemouth scored more league goals than us last season.
Wouldn't Belotti be a replacement for Rooney as Morata would be for Zlatan?
Which is why I keep insisting that we are after both him and Morata. They're dynamic, hard working strikers who can be poachers, hold the ball up, carry the ball, link up, hustle and most importantly - score goals. Sign both and we are adding 50 goals to our season.
And also why we win 2 trophies with a relatively unspectacular squad.
Oh yeah, one of those fans. It wasn't 2 up front. That's the important bit, surely. One up front was the reason Mata and Mkhi were so deep: Arsenal's CBs weren't engaged so Arsenal had relatively uncontested possession in the middle which meant the wingbacks were able to move forward and our wide men had to follow.
I wasn't really thinking of it in terms of direct replacements but Rooney has scarcely played up front for us for two seasons now.
Sure, that's the reason.
He is 21, and still learning. Ronaldo was also inconsistant at that age. And why cant he become more developed? He does cut inside a lot without the ball waiting for a cross or service When he has the freedom. He scored many goals like that under lvg. He Can be deadly in the box.
Besides When you play Midfeild 3 Forwards dont have to contribute defensively when you have proper balance and mobility to recover the ball back without having to worry of getting caught on the counter and overlapped in wide areas.
United's and saf's coaching played a huge part in developing ronaldo to what he is now. Ofcourse he had the right attitude to grasp and execute it on high level. We can atleast try to give the same to martial. His attitude can decide the rest. But without defensive freedom any young player can not be developed to world class initially because it lowers the confidense of the player to take the defenders on, having been given defensive duties he becomes conscious to not get caught out defensively.
I think we need more balance and quality in certain positions, I dont think we need numbers personally. When you include players that can play several roles we potentially have:
4 keepers
8 centre backs
5 left backs
4 right backs
4 defensive midfielders
4 central midfielders
8 wide players
3 strikers
But quality wise based upon last seasons displays I would say:
2 keepers
1 centre back
0 left backs
1 right back
1 defensive midfielder
1 midfielder
0 wide players
0 strikers now Ibrahimovic is released
That is perhaps over critical as there are some talented players in some of the positions who still need to step up and we do have three of four good youngsters but I dont buy into the number or our squad stretched by the numbers of games, we have one of the deepest squads in Europe thogh we have sold/released a few players over the last year. Four quality signings and an improvement in performance from some of our players and we would have a good side with a squad that was too big. I think we are short in terms of consistently performing quality rather than options, we had loads of injuries last year and still were able to put out sides packed with international players in most of the positions during those periods.
What, in your view, will be the players for next season...including any new players we sign this year?!
Unless you are asking for 11 balotti's buddy, that question is in the wrong thread.
Maybe but I'm in the camp of buying Belotti and others saying it's an over kill! I'm just trying to understand how buying Belotti is an over kill. So, still this conversation evolves around Belotti!
He's very dynamic and would be a decent option if we can't get Morata, I can't see us buying both unless Jose is going to use a 4-4-2 diamond or a 3-5-2.
So according to some we will play a two-striker system because we played it when Zlatan was injured...the manager plays two-strikers when his designated no.9 has a long term injury which tells you that he does not want to play two strikers but was forced to based on the personnel available to him. Zlatan never gets substituted, even when he has a shite game, that should tell you what system the manager wants to play.
Or it just says he doesn't trust any of the other players to take over Zlatan. And like you say, he can only play a two striker system with his current players. So, if he buys Morata only and say he gets injured/loss of form/ suspensions/ fatigue, who does he then use to play his prferred system?
Yeh, if anything it says he doesnt trust other players to take over Zlatan as the sole striker.
And no he can't only play a two striker system, he has played Rashford as a sole striker after Ibra got injured in the Europa League (which were the only games that mattered after Ibra's injury).
Rashford will be the back-up striker next season because he has the manager's trust. If we get another striker it will not be another player that demands a starting place, it will be a striker that is happy to come off the bench.
Yeah but it can't be proven.Does Belotti not score goals?
Oh im with you. Don't let this one slip through our fingers
I'm just going off from you said in your earlier post about Mourinho having to play with two strikers, as he doesn't have the number 9 to play a sole striker.
Look, I don't know what systems Mourinho has in mind for the new season. It maybe the case he will play one striker in the bigger games and two strikers in the lesser games. But even by shere numbers, we would have to replace Zlatan and an aging Rooney.
Belotti looks a real good player. And how does any team, especially United, buy a "bench" player? Surely, we buy the best players available. Some players would want guarantees of a starting place and some would be happy to come from a team like Torino and do their upmost to be in the first team of a massive, once in a life time club, like United.
He said the same last season once or twice when people were worried Rashford wouldn't get any minutes.
What i said there was a paraphrase of what others were saying. I think it is obvious that Mourinho has utilized Rashford as the main striker after the injury but some think otherwise. In almost every game of importance we have played with a lone-striker. Only in one-off and dead rubber games did we play two-strikers.
Rooney is not a lone striker, he is either a second striker or no.10. If we buy Morata and/or Belotti they will not be Rooney replacements because both are tall, physical, fast goalscorers aka no.9s.
I have no problem if we buy Belotti, i think he would a fantastic addition to the team. But we are not going to buy him and Morata just to play a two-striker system. That is not how the manager operates. Either they will form part of a front 3 or one will be a substitute striker.
I am not one of those penny pincher fans, i want as many good players at this club as possible, and if that includes Belotti then thats great.
It's all part of their negotiation tactics.
True Or it could all be made up. I don't trust the media let alone the papers. We just have to wait and see
During Jose's last stint at Chelsea, he spoke of his admiration for Diego Simeone's Atletico. What if for United he has decided a 4-4-2 Atletico style is the way to go? That would easily explain targeting two dynamic forwards.
Not sure who these include, but at CB, I think you're being harsh on one of Bailly or Rojo there. Both were very good when in the side, Bailly struggled towards the end, as if he was running on fumes, but a very promising season. Rojo IMO shut everybody up.
I don't know who the DM is, but between Carrick, Herrera and Pogba, we have 3 very good midfielders. It will probably be Carrick's last season, with limited minutes, but he's still a valuable asset, and we currently don't have anyone who can do what he does. Even if we buy Fabinho, it doesn't replace what Carrick can bring.
Could he not be the alternative for griezmann?
Manchester United have been dealt a blow in the pursuit of Torino striker Andrea Belotti.
The Italian frontman has been heavily scouted by United as they look to sign a replacement for the injured Zlatan Ibrahimovic , who has not been offered a new contract at the club.
Belotti has come under close scrutiny after an impressive season in Serie A, but Torino president Urbano Cairo is not allowing his star man to depart without a fight.
Cairo insists the 23-year-old will not be sold unless the £87m release clause is met, and even then he believes he has a good chance of persuading Belotti to spurn the advances and remain in Turin.
“I care about Belotti and I'm keeping hold of him," Cairo told Italian broadcaster Radio 24.
"He has a contract with Torino until 2021. I would only sell him for €100m, but even then he can refuse.
"The most important thing is what he wants, regardless of the release clause, and I believe he wants to stay.
"We are trying to build the best possible team at Torino.
“Belotti is busy on international duty [with Italy] at the moment and then he is getting married on Thursday – he invited me."
The Italian frontman has been heavily scouted by United as they look to sign a replacement for the injured Zlatan Ibrahimovic , who has not been offered a new contract at the club.
Belotti has come under close scrutiny after an impressive season in Serie A, but Torino president Urbano Cairo is not allowing his star man to depart without a fight.
Cairo insists the 23-year-old will not be sold unless the £87m release clause is met, and even then he believes he has a good chance of persuading Belotti to spurn the advances and remain in Turin.
“I care about Belotti and I'm keeping hold of him," Cairo told Italian broadcaster Radio 24.
"He has a contract with Torino until 2021. I would only sell him for €100m, but even then he can refuse.
"The most important thing is what he wants, regardless of the release clause, and I believe he wants to stay.
"We are trying to build the best possible team at Torino.
“Belotti is busy on international duty [with Italy] at the moment and then he is getting married on Thursday – he invited me."
Oh well he's going to his wedding, may as well close the thread.
Hmm first Griezmann and now Belotti. Watch us chase James again now.
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