Andrea Belotti

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Oh i wouldn't read to much into what a chairman says.

He has to put on the brave front for the club and fans. If the player decides he wants to play elsewhere, there is not much you can do to keep him. Except sit him in the stands at which point the club loses value on him and bang goes the comment that I care for the player. So what does the rest of the playing staf think?

I work hard for my club, I give 100%, bigger clubs want me because of this efforts where i can win something and said smaller club does not reward me for my effors by allowing me to go! They get good money for my contract so its not like they lose out. I have my career and family to think of and this club is blocking me.

Thats not to say Belotti actually wants to leave. But maybe we could give him a little push in that direction
 
During Jose's last stint at Chelsea, he spoke of his admiration for Diego Simeone's Atletico. What if for United he has decided a 4-4-2 Atletico style is the way to go? That would easily explain targeting two dynamic forwards.

I cant see this happening, 4-4-2 is not used with two strikers by Atletico, it is more a 4-4-1-1 and 4-5-1. Morata and Belotti do not have the playmaking of someone like Griezmann.

If we bought Griezmann then i would consider a 4-4-2 variation a high possibility, however i would still rank the 4-2-3-1 as the highest possibility.

At Inter, Real and Chelsea Mourinho transitioned away from a 4-3-3 to a 4-2-3-1 from his 1st to 2nd season. And his results improved every time he did, so i do not see a reason for Mourinho to abandon it.
 
I didn't realise they wanted money for him and I doubt Woodward did either. Back to the drawing board.
 
I cant see this happening, 4-4-2 is not used with two strikers by Atletico, it is more a 4-4-1-1 and 4-5-1. Morata and Belotti do not have the playmaking of someone like Griezmann.
But remember Simeone before he had Griezmann, had David Villa playing with Costa. Before that Adriano Lopez with Falcao iirc. Who were not much like a Griezmann. They were more of pure second strikers who vould operate in wide areas too. It is known that Belotti and Morata are similar to Villa in and Even E'too, in that they can operate as second strikers or as wing forwards ala Manzdukic at Juve. So he could be plotting something between a Simeone type thing and what he did at Inter.
 
But remember Simeone before he had Griezmann, had David Villa playing with Costa. Before that Adriano Lopez with Falcao iirc. Who were not much like a Griezmann. They were more of pure second strikers who vould operate in wide areas too. It is known that Belotti and Morata are similar to Villa in and Even E'too, in that they can operate as second strikers or as wing forwards ala Manzdukic at Juve. So he could be plotting something between a Simeone type thing and what he did at Inter.

I dont see what the point of all this speculation is when the manager has a history of doing something. We could go on all day about the possible formations he can play, and to go off of a comment admiring Atletico over what his actions are on the pitch seems like stretching to fit a conclusion.

Belotti and Morata are good strikers, so making comparisons with any good striker won't be off the mark because good strikers generally have the same attributes. Both of these players can play in many systems.

You have the last 8 years of data to see that the Manager's squad building is tailored to a 4-2-3-1. The main reason he even used a 4-3-3 was because it gave him 3 midfield options against the english game which only used 2 midfielders. He then went to a 4-2-3-1 using the no.10 as a transitional midfielder making counter attacking more effective. This formation won him the title 2 seasons ago.

I dont have a preference for formation, as long as we have good players at the club, I'm happy. From a formation neutral perspective i see an outside chance he'll play 4-4-2. The most likely outcomes is a 4-2-3-1.
 
Does Belotti not score goals? :confused:

He has this season, yes. The season before that, he scored 12 league goals in 31 apps. Hardly anything to get excited about.

Fact is, half of you lot, including myself, didn't even hear about Belotti until this season.

Proven you mean playing for frigging Everton? Even Fellaini did well there.

Proven as in scoring 15 plus league goals in most seasons at only 23. Goalscoring is the hardest thing in football. Lukaku, despite his flaws, does it very well.
 
Honestly don't understand the links anyway. Signing Belotti and Morata would surely mean they both have to play, especially if we're looking to pay in the region of 70M.

What we should be targeting is a player who can play on the wing and uptop. Aubamayang and Morata/Belotti would make more sense.
 
I think that the links are more to do with the fact we need to make up the goals lost from Zlatan not being with us, at least for 6 more months, and Griezmann not joining us this window. I imagine that Jose's plan was to have Morata and Griezmann linking up together for goals in most matches. Now that Griezmann is no longer an option, someone else has to pick up his mantle, if we consider that Morata is supposed to 'replace' Zlatan's numbers. We need a goal-scoring no.10 or second striker who can operate with Morata, which we haven't been linked with since the Griezmann deal went dead. Maybe Jose plans to play Morata behind Belotti - Morata is pretty good at linking the play, drifting out to the channels after all.
 
Just watched Belotti vs Uruguay. Definitely not worth £70m. Closer to £20m/30m. His technical skill is as bad as Hernandez and is almost non existent. Will definitely be one of our worst signing if he we get him for that much.
 
But where are the goal supposed to come from? That was our problem last year - finishing off chances. Let's just assume that Rooney leaves, that leaves us with the numbers 7, 9 and 10 - traditionally "attacking" players' numbers in our history, and most of them have contributed to our goal scoring one way or another - whether in terms of assists or finishing off chances. I know it is strange to think that shirt numbers are so important - but I could imagine that our original plan was to have Griezmann take 7, Morata take 9, and maybe Pogba can be shifted to 10 or a new signing to take that place. With Griezmann out of our hands, we only have Morata to take the no.9 - seems like a lack of goals to me. Unless Jose is going to put his trust on Rashford and Martial to up their own numbers.
 
But where are the goal supposed to come from? That was our problem last year - finishing off chances. Let's just assume that Rooney leaves, that leaves us with the numbers 7, 9 and 10 - traditionally "attacking" players' numbers in our history, and most of them have contributed to our goal scoring one way or another - whether in terms of assists or finishing off chances. I know it is strange to think that shirt numbers are so important - but I could imagine that our original plan was to have Griezmann take 7, Morata take 9, and maybe Pogba can be shifted to 10 or a new signing to take that place. With Griezmann out of our hands, we only have Morata to take the no.9 - seems like a lack of goals to me. Unless Jose is going to put his trust on Rashford and Martial to up their own numbers.

Providing players learn how to score again and all goes according to my meticulous calculations:

Morata - 17
Martial - 12
Rashford - 10
Perisic - 8
Mata - 8
Mkhitaryan - 6
Pogba - 5 (hits woodwork twice that amount)
Fellaini - 4 (all headers)
Lingard - 3
Herrera - 2
Assorted other players (i.e. defenders) - 5

80 goals altogether. Not too shabby.
 
Providing players learn how to score again and all goes according to my meticulous calculations:

Morata - 17
Martial - 12
Rashford - 10
Perisic - 8
Mata - 8
Mkhitaryan - 6
Pogba - 5 (hits woodwork twice that amount)
Fellaini - 4 (all headers)
Lingard - 3
Herrera - 2
Assorted other players (i.e. defenders) - 5

80 goals altogether. Not too shabby.

80 goals in all competitions is okay but pretty shit how much we have and will spend. And that's if a lot of these guys step up from last year, otherwise we'll score a good bit less. May as well spend 200 million and increase our odds at scoring a good number of goals, instead of what 130 million (?) in hope that we do. I hope the journalists and wrong and we sign noth Belotti and Morata. Another year of struggling to score should be avoided at all costs.
 
Providing players learn how to score again and all goes according to my meticulous calculations:

Morata - 17
Martial - 12
Rashford - 10
Perisic - 8
Mata - 8
Mkhitaryan - 6
Pogba - 5 (hits woodwork twice that amount)
Fellaini - 4 (all headers)
Lingard - 3
Herrera - 2
Assorted other players (i.e. defenders) - 5

80 goals altogether. Not too shabby.

Don't forget our mate OG, who was one of our most prolific strikers in recent times.
 
80 goals in all competitions is woeful.

That presumably means ~60 in the league which is nowhere near enough.
 
Providing players learn how to score again and all goes according to my meticulous calculations:

Morata - 17
Martial - 12
Rashford - 10
Perisic - 8
Mata - 8
Mkhitaryan - 6
Pogba - 5 (hits woodwork twice that amount)
Fellaini - 4 (all headers)
Lingard - 3
Herrera - 2
Assorted other players (i.e. defenders) - 5

80 goals altogether. Not too shabby.
80 goals in all competitions is pretty poor, assuming we make it fairly far in the cups. Chelsea scored 85 in the league alone, Spurs 86, City 80. We're going to need more than 80 goals next season if we want to challenge for the title.
 
He's a leader of his team and his style is conducive to bringing Rashford and Martial into the game. I hope we're in for him. He's probably cheaper than some others, Lukaku, Morata et, al.
 
He's a leader of his team and his style is conducive to bringing Rashford and Martial into the game. I hope we're in for him. He's probably cheaper than some others, Lukaku, Morata et, al.
Dafaq? He is the most expensive of all three ATM. He has a release clause of over 90m.
 
Come January, if Conte is still at Chelsea and have striker issues, he will probably go after him.

But I think Belotti is bound for Juventus. He doesn't even have to move away from Turin.
 
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Seeing this thread bumped I assumed PSG had paid the asking price for him...
 
Torino have just signed Rincon on loan from Juve today. See no issues there.

Yeah it's not as heated as a some other top-flight inter-city rivalries. Juventus exceeds Torino by a large margin nowadays. Not in the '40s though. Grande Torino! A team that met an unfortunate end, struck by a tragedy similar to the one also suffered by the Busby Babes nine years later.

They were probably a huge club back then, winning five league titles that decade. Who knows what could've been today.
 
Come January, if Conte is still at Chelsea and have striker issues, he will probably go after him.

But I think Belotti is bound for Juventus. He doesn't even have to move away from Turin.

No way Torino Fc sell Belotti to their greatest rivals. Fans will riot
 
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