Very good point. Fingers crossed jose gets it done with them all. From what i hear we've some unbelievable talent at CB.
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Very good point. Fingers crossed jose gets it done with them all. From what i hear we've some unbelievable talent at CB.
Whilst I'm with you that we need a right winger I think there are two or three factors we might be overlooking. Firstly we are getting Zlatan who likes to be surrounded with pace so Mourinho could be thinking Rashford and Martial flanking him with the likes of Memphis, Lingard and Pereira being thrown into the mix. Or it could be Mourinho is thinking of making his right side more workmen like he had at Chelsea and in Young, Valencia and Lingard we do have players thar suit such tactics to a tee. Lastly it doesn't look like the market is teeming with wing options right now with the really good ones already taken or staying where they are so it could be more reasonable to see what we can salvage from Memphis, Januzaj and others rather than getting fleeced for average/junk.Add a winger to that and I would be absolutely thrilled with those signings. I'm in the "Not so sure about Zlatan" camp at the moment, but it is Zlatan after all, so it will be spectacular one way or the other. Bailly seems to have the potential to be a top talent (Just worried about his discipline though) and I can't stop fawning about Gomes (From a football perspective ofcourse).
What's more, those signings would not even cross the 100m mark (Neither in Euros nor pounds)!
Just need the right wing sorted though. I see Januzaj as more of a No 10 and Lingard is a rotation option. Unless Memphis can play on the right, we need to buy someone for that side.
Also, if by chance, Pjanic is also signed, then it would be one of the best transfer windows in United's history.
Stones instead off Jones , Baily instead of Blind.
Hirving Lozano is an example of a player we could get for the wing. But if we can get Mhiktaryan that would be beter.
I think the only good DM we have is Fosu. Schneiderlin is better a bit higher up the pitch, Carrick lost his legs and Bastian if he will ever be fit is also better a bit higher up on the pitch.
So yea for me this summer we need 2 new CBs, 2 new midfielders, a right winger and a striker.
So Ibra, Gomes, Baily that is a very good start but only a job half done imo
Yeah, I am excited about it too.
Yeah, that seems to be the system he prefers, in which case Young and Lingard would fit his system perfectly. I'm still hopeful we sign a winger though, like you said not too many options out there, but links with Ounas and Lozang (They've scouted him quite a few times as well according to the club president) are encouraging and makes me think, we may indeed sign a right winger or better yet, an interchangeable winger.
Prefer him to Pjanic personally.
To be honest, even Mourinho's teams hog the ball (Not 60-70%, but anywhere from 50-60%) against smaller teams. So I do expect recycling of possession to continue. Only concern with the midfield I suggested is what would happen if we are hit on the counter, in which cases players like Schneiderlin would be needed. Also, his full-backs tend to less adventurous don't they ? So that also helps them shore up the defense in a counter. So I am not overly concerned with the midfield. We have had midfields with Carrick and Scholes for years and seemed to do ok.That midfield we used last season didn't get overrun because it featured against poor teams where we just passed the ball around cautiously for long periods, unless Jose plans to have us continuing the keep ball style I think we'll need a more combative presence in there. That may come from in house though, with TFM blooded in with the players we have sharing out the role next season. A midfield 3 that relies on a has-been striker and a CM that hasn't really done anything of note would be pretty worrying IMO.
I am actually hoping Bailly is being bought for RB, we don't have a settled one and are still using a converted winger who is getting on. Bailly sharing the position this season with Valencia before taking over fully would be great. I agree on Smalling but for me if we are going to progress him further we need to get someone that compliments him and not someone he needs to look after and who comes with the same strengths and weaknesses.
If Rojo improves under Jose I expect his next trick to be walking on water.
It would be great, but I just think he's better suited at being CB. Valencia under Mourinho could be a marked improvement. Then there's Darmian and Varela as well. Bailly's coach at Villarreal has worked extensively with him to work on his positioning, organization etc from what I read, so he clearly has the qualities to thrive in that position.
Lol, well, I'm gonna save this post just in case I am right regarding Rojo.
One of Schneiderlin, Herrera or Mata needs to go. Personally I'd dump Herrera and look to get in Gomes.
I think Schweinsteiger will still be around, because nobody will take his wages on, but I doubt he'll be a huge factor in Mourinho's plans.
I think Schweinsteiger will still be around, because nobody will take his wages on, but I doubt he'll be a huge factor in Mourinho's plans.
Gomes is a playmaking central midfielder
the options include a
DM
a Playmaker
and a CAM/RW
And you choose to let go of Herrera? that hurts our depth.
The reality is that Rooney is going to get time and most of it will be as a playmaker or as the most forward of a midfield 3. Scheniderlin played as a DM last year, but he's best used as an all action box-to-box type of combative midfielder as he was used in Southampton. I'd also suspect that he's the type of player whose qualities Mourinho will appreciate, but I could be wrong about that.
I personally feel Herrera has been yanked about by LvG more than most anybody else in the squad and has had a rough go of it, but somebody will need to go. I figure it will be Herrera or Mata and for me Mata edges it. If Mourinho sees it differently and has Mata go that's reasonable also.
To be honest, even Mourinho's teams hog the ball (Not 60-70%, but anywhere from 50-60%) against smaller teams. So I do expect recycling of possession to continue. Only concern with the midfield I suggested is what would happen if we are hit on the counter, in which cases players like Schneiderlin would be needed. Also, his full-backs tend to less adventurous don't they ? So that also helps them shore up the defense in a counter. So I am not overly concerned with the midfield. We have had midfields with Carrick and Scholes for years and seemed to do ok.
It would be great, but I just think he's better suited at being CB. Valencia under Mourinho could be a marked improvement. Then there's Darmian and Varela as well. Bailly's coach at Villarreal has worked extensively with him to work on his positioning, organization etc from what I read, so he clearly has the qualities to thrive in that position.
Lol, well, I'm gonna save this post just in case I am right regarding Rojo.
Even in that Carrick/Scholes midfield we still had a proper holding midfielder in Carrick, Pjanic is not a #6 who will read the play and protect the back 4, Jose always has one of those in his midfield set-up, Pjanic would be more like his Fabregas to Matic or Modric to Alonso.
Bailly is very one footed though just like Smalling, I am not saying we need a left footed CB like LvG did, but we do need a CB who is comfortable playing in that channel and neither Bailly or Smalling look suited to it at all, and Bailly is too raw to be our only CB signing IMO.
Hey, I hope you turn out to be right mate.
Andre Gomes is a product of Benfica youth academy one of the very best of our golden period that includes the likes of Bernardo Silva (Monaco), Renato Sanchez (sold to Bayern); Cancelo (Valência); Ivan Cavaleiro (Mónaco); Gonçalo Guedes (still at Benfica but very promissing) and Nelson Semedo (already international with Portugal)...
From all the above André Gomes is the one with more potential. He is already a undebatable starter for Valencia having taken part in 41 games this season and scored four goals - one on the champions league, one on europa league and two in the championship including an screamer against Real Madrid at the Bernabeu.
He is fiscally strong - which will help in the premier league - very gifted technically, fast and has an strong long range shot in him as well.
Im sure this would be an great signing for United. Oh and his agent is Jorge Mendes, the same as Mourinho, so this can easy the dialogue between the parts.
From all the above André Gomes is the one with more potential. He is already a undebatable starter for Valencia having taken part in 41 games this season and scored four goals - one on the champions league, one on europa league and two in the championship including an screamer against Real Madrid at the Bernabeu.
He is fiscally strong - which will help in the premier league - very gifted technically, fast and has an strong long range shot in him as well.
Im sure this would be an great signing for United. Oh and his agent is Jorge Mendes, the same as Mourinho, so this can easy the dialogue between the parts.
What is the news about him in Portugal regarding a transfer?
I personally would love to see him at United, very graceful player.
Not much. André Gomes said to the portuguese press - I believe I´m still not allowed to post links for news - that Mourinho is an great coach but he also said that he is focused on the european an didnt open up the game.
So there is nothing solid regarding a possible transfer. That said, in my opinion, if United moves for him you will sign him - he obviously rates Mourinho and shares the same agent and nacionality which are all plus factors.
He is still just 22 years old but already has Champions league and Europa League experience - keep in mind that he was a starter when we played Sevilha in the Europa League final - so I believe he already has the "baggage" to compete in the premier league.
It was in this game I first saw him, and he immediately caught my eye. I was watching to see Enzo Perez - and within 5 minutes I had to go back onto the Internet to check again whether I had the name wrong and it was Andre Gomes that we were after. I thought he was perfect, but was afraid that he was already 28 - but it was because I had him mixed up with Perez.
He glides through the midfield so beautifully, he has the tools to be a Premier League giant in midfield. As I said earlier, when the Mourinho story first broke 6 months ago - it was that Mourinho was coming in the summer and bringing Andre Gomes with him.
Enzo Perez was much more rated at the time and he did end up leaving for Valencia in the next January window.
This also gives us the notion of André Gomes quality because Enzo Perez is today only used as an substitute for André Gomes - and Perez costed a lot of more money and had more "name" then André.
Enzo Perez was suspended for the final having been sent off against Juventus in the semi final and that gave Andre Gomes the oportunity to shine - he was still an teenager at the time.
Hope to see him in United colours soon.
I think Mourinhio likes tall players, hence no Kante bid. Gomez, Bailey fit such profiles
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So does midfield trio of Makelele, Essien and Lampard. Hardly giants in there. He also had Modric at Real Madrid.
Thought he showed great promise during his spell at Benfica. Whenever he performed for Benfica B, he was brilliant. In the main team Jorge Jesus never knew how to use him properly and always placed him in defensive roles that do not fit his style, therefore he was hated by most fans and left without causing an impression
He is technically gifted, uses both feet, great shot and short/long passes, fast in progression (although very tall)... But he needs to really step up his game. Maybe Mourinho can bring the best out of him on a regular basis
He is technically gifted, uses both feet, great shot and short/long passes, fast in progression (although very tall)... But he needs to really step up his game. Maybe Mourinho can bring the best out of him on a regular basis
He'll be fiscally even stronger if he joins United. Loadsamoney!
This guy has all the tools to be a top top player and i think Jose could bring the best out of him.
I have been very obsessed with Man Utd and because of the nature of my job, I had not have the opportunity to follow other leagues in recent years.
However I see a pattern in Morunho's teams. In RM he had left wing the big star (cr7), striker - a target man (benzema, higuain), right wing - workaholic (di maria), am - spreading balls left and right (ozil), cm - maestro (alonso), dm - destructor (khedira).
Then look at Chelsea. Pretty much the same set up.
And now look at United.
We neither have a lw star man, nor a tartget man (unless we get zlatan). But I see Rooney as his cm maestro, Schneiderlin or Matic(if rumours turn out to be true) as his dm.
And then who would you put as an AM? Mata? Fellaini? One is technical but short and no pace, the other massive, tall, some sort of pace, not very technical or you go for Andre Gomes? Tall, pacey, technical, great passer.
He fits exactly there in his team sheet.
The questions left are, what does he do with his left and right wings. Does he develop Martial into a left forward/winger, does he develop him in target man? Does he use Young as a rw workaholic? We'll wait and see.
But I definitely see Andre Gomes high on his wishlist to fill that position.
However I see a pattern in Morunho's teams. In RM he had left wing the big star (cr7), striker - a target man (benzema, higuain), right wing - workaholic (di maria), am - spreading balls left and right (ozil), cm - maestro (alonso), dm - destructor (khedira).
Then look at Chelsea. Pretty much the same set up.
And now look at United.
We neither have a lw star man, nor a tartget man (unless we get zlatan). But I see Rooney as his cm maestro, Schneiderlin or Matic(if rumours turn out to be true) as his dm.
And then who would you put as an AM? Mata? Fellaini? One is technical but short and no pace, the other massive, tall, some sort of pace, not very technical or you go for Andre Gomes? Tall, pacey, technical, great passer.
He fits exactly there in his team sheet.
The questions left are, what does he do with his left and right wings. Does he develop Martial into a left forward/winger, does he develop him in target man? Does he use Young as a rw workaholic? We'll wait and see.
But I definitely see Andre Gomes high on his wishlist to fill that position.
Rooney?
He's taller and Portuguese.
Ander is better at passing and André is better at dribbling, also.
Had a similar thought, but mine was: "What!?". Then a picture of Wayne popped up in my mind and I whispered the words "Wayne Rooney... midfield maestro". Had to chuckle.
He's better in tight spaces. Faster, more skillful, better passer and can easily cross with both feet. Herrera the better defender though.
I would argue or LW star is Martial at the moment
What I’m most impressed with is his natural ability to use both feet so well. Solid first touches, short passes, crosses, dribbling - with either foot. Haven’t seen many players that never seem to avoid the weaker foot (does he have one?), looks like Gomes uses whichever foot feels more natural/logical at any given moment.
I know Rooney wears the number 10, but I kind of see him as a #8 type of midfielder. Someone in central midfield, box to box, with his mind balanced between attack and defence.
While Gomes I see as a #10, a midfielder who assists more consistently and is more focused on the attacking side of the game.
I never said he is. I said I am truly wondering if Mourinho will continue to use him on the left flank and try to develop him into our biggest attacking treat.
Above all, I am sure that Mourinho didn't spent his time (while jobless) partying and transforming himself into Garfield.
More likely he was scouting and doing some homework, trying to work out what would be the best fit for United if LVG was to be sacked and him appointed - which is exactly what happened. Just look how quickly te Baily transfer was completed.
Typical Mourinho defender - same like Zouma and Varane.
Wrap this cnut up now! No reason to wait until after the Euros. He basically came with a "come get me" plea when he spoke about Mourinho being a great manager.
We need to get those muppet juices flowing
We need to get those muppet juices flowing
It would be nice to get it done before and watch him have a good euros!
He is skillful but he is inconsistent and sometimes disappear in the game. In the matches I saw him last season, I noticed that he has a good dribbling but his end product is not too good. He is young and can improve (like Bailly). Even his stats are a bit poor, he is able to make the difference in the final 3rd. There are better CMs available, but he would be a decent signing.
Reports now that Barcelona are lurking on this one too. I suppose he will probably start getting more respect on here if they move in.
He and Pogba infront of a proper defensive midfielder would be a dream for me.
He and Pogba infront of a proper defensive midfielder would be a dream for me.
He seems like the perfect player to transition defence into counter attack.
Seriously warming to the idea of him now.
Maybe it's because I don't watch Valencia and only go by YT videos but I don't see anything spectacular about this guy.
I'm a firm believer. The raw tools are amazing, and my suspicion is that he will become exceptional under Mourinho.
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