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André Onana | signed for United | On a flight to NYC
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ONana 
The only player whose name cannot be made fun out of like Lakaka. It has two a's by default.
Do goalkeepers ever get chants? I can't think of one off the top of my head.
"There's only 2 Andy Gorams, 2 Andy gorrrrrams."
The longer this drags on, the more we gotta pay later. Every one knows we need a goal keeper, we have no bargaining power at all. Should have gotten this done before DGD left us. Hopefully we get it done before pre-season.
Won't be done before our first pre season game on Wednesday,however think there is chance him & Hojlund could play a part in the US part of the tour. This is most likely to be at different stages.
If Arsenal fans didn't have a surname based pun/chant around David Seaman then I for one am very disappointed. I mean, factor in the first 4 letters of their clubs name and the chants are literally right there.
With Obama coming in, we should now expect Martial, Antony and Sancho to be firing on all cylinders, scoring for fun to be honest.
Still wonder if Jadon could go
When does Trump come in
What this shows is that stats can only tell you so much. I think DeGea lost his contract extension at the end of the season, after he had those bad games, which I believe changed Ten Hag‘s mind about him (of course we can never be sure, but it sure seems in line with how things played out).He certainly didn't do OK in the first half of the season, he condeded 12 goals total from PsXG of around 7 (Brentford, Brighton, City). He was around 15th-19th on this parameter in the league until he recovered in mid season (that was a good run). But in the end he made a few mistakes in latter stages of the season to eventually end up around 10th in the league on PsXG (that stands for shotstopping ability).
Regarding the sample - PsXG is calculated on shots on target, that is 140+ instances. If that isn't representative, no stat will be enough for you.
I have a feeling you ignore some games as outliers (we had quite a few outliers this season) and your opinion of De Gea is made on the rest of the matches.
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To be honest, I do believe he/we were quite unlucky in those few games (19 goals from 4 games). But in the end there's one dogma that we need to follow and that is - luck/bad luck always evens out on larger sample. And that is why in the end De Gea lands in "average" zone.
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I got intrigued by the Golden Glove/clean sheet award and it's quite easy to verify this looking at stats, because goalkeepers don't prevent shots, they only save them (that's a bit simplified but let's assume so). Therefore looking at this table:
there's only one instance where he clearly saved our asses (Leicester, which was the first and last game with Sabitzer experiment in DM/DLP as both Case/Eriksen were out).
Now we can argue in how many games the defense did the job (I'd argue in at least 7 games of those 17), but I'd definitely say Golden Glove is the team effort achievement.
I also do think he has a nice trait to make good saves when not called to action often. But on the other hand, when things go south it's almost like we're playing with no keeper.
Basically the stats should be read with taking into account the context. You seem to be doing that for the most part.
The quality of DeGea of having good concentration is integral to keeping clean sheets. Without the many clean sheets we could not have gotten top four because we did not score enough.
Or, we are in a stronger position because DeGea left. Depends how you look at it.
I'm curious how our first choice GK leaving can be reframed to be a positive for us when negotiating prices with other teams for their GK.
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Andre!
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Andre!
Repeat. He is our new Batman.
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Andre!
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Nanananananananananana
Andre!
Repeat. He is our new Batman.
What is there to make about Solskjaer? Did he play Henderson while De Gea was fit? He did. Which other United manager did that?
Big day today.
300k a week contract incoming ...
Tbh we're so stupid at handling contracts that now I got anxiety whenever reading that "personal terms agreed" stuffs. Hope we'd learn from our mistakes and stop giving mega money contracts left right center for new signings.
Well Mount isn’t on 300k so why would Onana be?
I'm still disappointed that the club didn't test Villa's resolve on Martinez. PL experience is a massive factor for me, unless the player involved is absolute world class - and I think this goes doubly for keepers: DDG was horrid in his first season(s), the French clown looked as out of place as a loud fart at a funeral and Taibi, well, words aren't really needed.
In all honesty, I haven't seen enough of Onana to be happy or not (although, boy, did we need an upgrade). I just know Martinez would have been a good fit: I like keepers who get in opponents' faces, are strong characters and are strong physically - something DDG never has been
In all honesty, I haven't seen enough of Onana to be happy or not (although, boy, did we need an upgrade). I just know Martinez would have been a good fit: I like keepers who get in opponents' faces, are strong characters and are strong physically - something DDG never has been
Martinez is crap on the ball. Not a ETH player.
he looked pretty secure to me in the World Cup. How good is Onana? Serious question, I've not seen much of him - and does he dominate the penalty area?
Martinez is mentally great but his ball playing skills are not. Doesn’t suit a top team imo. Cup competitions are a different erm cup of tea.
There is a reason Martinez plays for villa, he's not that good.
He is 30 and the majority of his top flight appearances have come in the last three years (110 out of 130).
Probably one of the worst keepers to win a world cup.
He is 30 and the majority of his top flight appearances have come in the last three years (110 out of 130).
Probably one of the worst keepers to win a world cup.
Mount reportedly went from 80k a week at Chelsea to 250k here (up to 300k with bonuses). But that's quite fair imo given his profile. So you still got a point here. I only hope we'd stop being stupid at handling contracts.
Anyway checking the latest reports he'd be at 115k a week bonuses included so it seems we do learn from our mistakes.
Mad statement. Apart from the save that would have otherwise meant Argentina lost the final, Having a keeper that is good with penalty saves is worth its weight in gold for National teams. When it went to penalties in the final, you knew Martinez was going to save at least one.
Biggish of days man.
Biggest of the biggest.
Martinez is average at best.
Feel the same. As far as I've seen it's a strange signing in a lot of ways. Like statistically David Raya, Emi Martinez and Allison were the best goalies in the Premier League. Where was Onana in serie A terms, I can't really find any good statistical data anywhere on it. I'm sure he's a good player but I feel like it was a big team.
@pacifictheme I sort of agree but Martinez is coming off the back of an absolutely fantastic season for Villa and was easily one of their best players this year - made the most high claims in the entire league season, five or six times the number de Gea managed for instance, so if you were a manager that wanted to stop crosses coming in he'd be a fantastic goalkeeper for a side. In a tactical sense in my opinion that's why we struggle so badly with Liverpool - a tentative goalkeeper that stands on the line is no good for you against a side like them who love to put crosses in from both wings all day, and a more adventurous and brave goalkeeper mitigates that danger by coming and claiming most of those balls in. And Villa, on the other hand, did quite well against them...
Nah I reckon it's all already done, just awaiting formalities and then announcements.
We wouldn't have announced the departure of DDG imo without knowing this was wrapped up and besides Inter don't have much in the way of bargaining power as they're skint.
Actually we do have bargaing power.
Penalty shoot out saves are absolutely not what we should be basing our next keeper on.
Mount is on £200k rising to £250k
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