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There's Alex Meret at Napoli. No idea how good he is other than conceding 20 goals and 10 clean sheets in 23 league games. Onana's conceded 39 and has 7 clean sheets in 27 league games.Which gk have expiring contracts at the end of the season?
Which gk have expiring contracts at the end of the season?
Good shout. We should also look at good 2nd choice keepers at top teams.Which gk have expiring contracts at the end of the season?
Which gk have expiring contracts at the end of the season?
Meret wasnt rated all that highly by Napoli fans last i checked. They signed him for a decent amount (€20m+ I think) and he's been iffy. Hes a decent keeper but really struggles to command his box in the Italian league and is prone to the odd clanger. Might be an improvement on Onana (not saying much at the moment ..) but I think we can easily do better.There's Alex Meret at Napoli. No idea how good he is other than conceding 20 goals and 10 clean sheets in 23 league games. Onana's conceded 39 and has 7 clean sheets in 27 league games.
I doubt he'll want to go from title challengers Napoli to us in our current state.
But he's commanding his box. If the ball is going to end up in the area and he can simply grab it, isn't that better than relying on a player on a wet pitch to make enough contact to pass it back to him? The point about the direction of the ball is exactly why Onana is in the better position once he's come out to deal with it. The ball's coming towards him wheras Dorgu has to keep an eye on it (plus the player behind) over his shoulder.
Like I said there's then the 2nd action when he should clearly spot that Onana is far out of his goal, if he IS going to deal with it then put it out for a throw to your right. To pass it back infield towards goal with the keeper stationary and an advancing player behind is criminal.
Sorry, can't agree less, all Onana has to do is shout "keeper" or "away" and the whole problem is solved. If he can't get to the ball himself then he shouldn't have come out.I said at the time the 2nd one wasn't a mistake but I take that back, it is.
The 1st though - that is mainly on Dorgu. Philogene is a couple of yards behind him, the ball is about to enter the box. If he leaves it and shields the ball from Philogene then Onana can simply collect that.
On top of that, he has plenty of time as the ball is dropping to glance and see where Onana is, to play the ball back inside there is criminal.
I know he's the scapegoat at the moment and rightly so as he's made too many mistakes including one in this game, and I know people want to give Dorgu a pass because he's the new boy - but he's mainly at fault for the opener.
Looks like another position that is becoming a main priority in the summer on top of probably CF, CM, RWB, maybe AM. The question is can United afford to bring in a replacement? I think they'd have to ship Onana out permanently and you wonder how many teams would be keen to take him for £25-30m.
And here we thought he'll come in and allow us to score more goals.
Sorry, can't agree less, all Onana has to do is shout "keeper" or "away" and the whole problem is solved. If he can't get to the ball himself then he shouldn't have come out.
He can see the whole picture unfolding in front of him. Dorgu has his eyes on the ball the whole time, which is coming over his head as he's running back.
Updating the list:
The Howlers
Bayern 4 - 3 - Man Utd (09/23) - His first proper howler as he lets a really tame shot from Sane squirm under him.
Man Utd 2 - 3 Galatasaray (10/23) - Passes the ball straight to a Galatasary player who runs through and gets hacked down by Case. We're down to 10-men and the Pen is missed, but they go on to win anyway.
Man Utd 2 - 1 Brentford (10/23) - Let's a tame, pea-roller from Jensen squrim under his hand and into the middle of the goal. Poppadom wrists stuff.
Galatasaray 3 - 3 - Man Utd (11/23) - Judges Ziyech's first fee kick all wrong and basically dives out of the way of a low shot that ends up going into the middle of the net.
Galatasaray 3 - 3 - Man Utd (11/23) - To redeem himself, he at least gets in the way of Ziyech's second free kick but just throws the ball into the net instead.
Man Utd 4 - 2 Sheffield United (04/24) - Passes the ball straight to Bogle who scores
Man Utd 1 - 1 Burnley (04/04) - Punches Amdouni in the head to concede a last minute pen - which they score.
Man Utd 2 - 1 Man City (05/24) - We don't really talk about it because we won the Cup Final, but letting in that shot from Doku was a shocker
Man Utd 2 - 3 Forest (12/24) - Inexpicibily lets a straight shot from Gibbs-White straight into the middle of the goal
Plzen 1 - 2 Man Utd (12/24) - Passes the ball straight to one of their players who squares it to Vydra for a tap in
Wolves 2 - 0 Man Utd (12/24) - Concedes straight from a corner from Cunha
Man Utd 1 - 3 Brighton (01/25) - Possibly his worst ever one, spilling a routine cross collection at the feet of Rutter who puts it in.
Man Utd 2 - 1 Ipswich (02/25) - First goal. Needlessly runs right at Dorgu who is trying to deal with a ball over the top. Doesn't communicate what he's doing. Just daft all round and Philogene taps it into an empty net
Bonus Content - Not mistakes as such, but a couple of the classic "You feel like he could have done something better there" Onana moments
Man Utd 3 - 2 Forest (09/23) - Awoniyi races through on goal and Onana basically just sits down in the middle of his net and lets him walk it in. Rubbish.
Man Utd 1 - 3 Brigton (09/23) - His positioning on the first goal is a bit shit, but I'll let that slide - the 3rd goal from Pedro though, is at a very saveable height and not in the corner, he actually gets two hands on it but 'cos his spring is rubbish he just palms it in.
Man Utd 0 - 1 Bayern (12/23) - Coman is 8 yards out and is 95% going to score, but Onana just basically stands on his line and makes sure it's 100%.
Man Utd 3 - 2 Aston Villa (12/23) - Doesn't anticipate or really do anything to stop a McGinn free kick go straight in. Tricky because there's players in front of him but a keeper with top class reactions does something at least.
Chelsea 4 - 3 Man Utd (04/24) - A bit unsighted, but he lets a low Gallagher shot under his hand.
Palace 4 - 0 Man Utd (05/24) - A pretty central, but strong shot from Olise beats him.
Spurs 1 - 0 Man utd (02/25) - Palms a tame shot straight into Maddison's path. Not great defending either but yeah
Man Utd 3 - 2 Ipswich (02/25) - Second goal. Some might see this as harsh, but he's dancing around on the spot as the cross comes in meaning he can't set himself to react to whatever happens.
Updating the list:
The Howlers
Bayern 4 - 3 - Man Utd (09/23) - His first proper howler as he lets a really tame shot from Sane squirm under him.
Man Utd 2 - 3 Galatasaray (10/23) - Passes the ball straight to a Galatasary player who runs through and gets hacked down by Case. We're down to 10-men and the Pen is missed, but they go on to win anyway.
Man Utd 2 - 1 Brentford (10/23) - Let's a tame, pea-roller from Jensen squrim under his hand and into the middle of the goal. Poppadom wrists stuff.
Galatasaray 3 - 3 - Man Utd (11/23) - Judges Ziyech's first fee kick all wrong and basically dives out of the way of a low shot that ends up going into the middle of the net.
Galatasaray 3 - 3 - Man Utd (11/23) - To redeem himself, he at least gets in the way of Ziyech's second free kick but just throws the ball into the net instead.
Man Utd 4 - 2 Sheffield United (04/24) - Passes the ball straight to Bogle who scores
Man Utd 1 - 1 Burnley (04/04) - Punches Amdouni in the head to concede a last minute pen - which they score.
Man Utd 2 - 1 Man City (05/24) - We don't really talk about it because we won the Cup Final, but letting in that shot from Doku was a shocker
Man Utd 2 - 3 Forest (12/24) - Inexpicibily lets a straight shot from Gibbs-White straight into the middle of the goal
Plzen 1 - 2 Man Utd (12/24) - Passes the ball straight to one of their players who squares it to Vydra for a tap in
Wolves 2 - 0 Man Utd (12/24) - Concedes straight from a corner from Cunha
Man Utd 1 - 3 Brighton (01/25) - Possibly his worst ever one, spilling a routine cross collection at the feet of Rutter who puts it in.
Man Utd 2 - 1 Ipswich (02/25) - First goal. Needlessly runs right at Dorgu who is trying to deal with a ball over the top. Doesn't communicate what he's doing. Just daft all round and Philogene taps it into an empty net
Bonus Content - Not mistakes as such, but a couple of the classic "You feel like he could have done something better there" Onana moments
Man Utd 3 - 2 Forest (09/23) - Awoniyi races through on goal and Onana basically just sits down in the middle of his net and lets him walk it in. Rubbish.
Man Utd 1 - 3 Brigton (09/23) - His positioning on the first goal is a bit shit, but I'll let that slide - the 3rd goal from Pedro though, is at a very saveable height and not in the corner, he actually gets two hands on it but 'cos his spring is rubbish he just palms it in.
Man Utd 0 - 1 Bayern (12/23) - Coman is 8 yards out and is 95% going to score, but Onana just basically stands on his line and makes sure it's 100%.
Man Utd 3 - 2 Aston Villa (12/23) - Doesn't anticipate or really do anything to stop a McGinn free kick go straight in. Tricky because there's players in front of him but a keeper with top class reactions does something at least.
Chelsea 4 - 3 Man Utd (04/24) - A bit unsighted, but he lets a low Gallagher shot under his hand.
Palace 4 - 0 Man Utd (05/24) - A pretty central, but strong shot from Olise beats him.
Spurs 1 - 0 Man utd (02/25) - Palms a tame shot straight into Maddison's path. Not great defending either but yeah
Man Utd 3 - 2 Ipswich (02/25) - Second goal. Some might see this as harsh, but he's dancing around on the spot as the cross comes in meaning he can't set himself to react to whatever happens.
Updating the list:
The Howlers
Bayern 4 - 3 - Man Utd (09/23) - His first proper howler as he lets a really tame shot from Sane squirm under him.
Man Utd 2 - 3 Galatasaray (10/23) - Passes the ball straight to a Galatasary player who runs through and gets hacked down by Case. We're down to 10-men and the Pen is missed, but they go on to win anyway.
Man Utd 2 - 1 Brentford (10/23) - Let's a tame, pea-roller from Jensen squrim under his hand and into the middle of the goal. Poppadom wrists stuff.
Galatasaray 3 - 3 - Man Utd (11/23) - Judges Ziyech's first fee kick all wrong and basically dives out of the way of a low shot that ends up going into the middle of the net.
Galatasaray 3 - 3 - Man Utd (11/23) - To redeem himself, he at least gets in the way of Ziyech's second free kick but just throws the ball into the net instead.
Man Utd 4 - 2 Sheffield United (04/24) - Passes the ball straight to Bogle who scores
Man Utd 1 - 1 Burnley (04/04) - Punches Amdouni in the head to concede a last minute pen - which they score.
Man Utd 2 - 1 Man City (05/24) - We don't really talk about it because we won the Cup Final, but letting in that shot from Doku was a shocker
Man Utd 2 - 3 Forest (12/24) - Inexpicibily lets a straight shot from Gibbs-White straight into the middle of the goal
Plzen 1 - 2 Man Utd (12/24) - Passes the ball straight to one of their players who squares it to Vydra for a tap in
Wolves 2 - 0 Man Utd (12/24) - Concedes straight from a corner from Cunha
Man Utd 1 - 3 Brighton (01/25) - Possibly his worst ever one, spilling a routine cross collection at the feet of Rutter who puts it in.
Man Utd 2 - 1 Ipswich (02/25) - First goal. Needlessly runs right at Dorgu who is trying to deal with a ball over the top. Doesn't communicate what he's doing. Just daft all round and Philogene taps it into an empty net
Bonus Content - Not mistakes as such, but a couple of the classic "You feel like he could have done something better there" Onana moments
Man Utd 3 - 2 Forest (09/23) - Awoniyi races through on goal and Onana basically just sits down in the middle of his net and lets him walk it in. Rubbish.
Man Utd 1 - 3 Brigton (09/23) - His positioning on the first goal is a bit shit, but I'll let that slide - the 3rd goal from Pedro though, is at a very saveable height and not in the corner, he actually gets two hands on it but 'cos his spring is rubbish he just palms it in.
Man Utd 0 - 1 Bayern (12/23) - Coman is 8 yards out and is 95% going to score, but Onana just basically stands on his line and makes sure it's 100%.
Man Utd 3 - 2 Aston Villa (12/23) - Doesn't anticipate or really do anything to stop a McGinn free kick go straight in. Tricky because there's players in front of him but a keeper with top class reactions does something at least.
Chelsea 4 - 3 Man Utd (04/24) - A bit unsighted, but he lets a low Gallagher shot under his hand.
Palace 4 - 0 Man Utd (05/24) - A pretty central, but strong shot from Olise beats him.
Spurs 1 - 0 Man utd (02/25) - Palms a tame shot straight into Maddison's path. Not great defending either but yeah
Man Utd 3 - 2 Ipswich (02/25) - Second goal. Some might see this as harsh, but he's dancing around on the spot as the cross comes in meaning he can't set himself to react to whatever happens.
Kelleher has a year left on his contract this summer and is far better than the calamity we currently have. He also wants to be a starting GK.
Just literally anyone with hands will do. Honestly anyone..
But he's commanding his box. If the ball is going to end up in the area and he can simply grab it, isn't that better than relying on a player on a wet pitch to make enough contact to pass it back to him? The point about the direction of the ball is exactly why Onana is in the better position once he's come out to deal with it. The ball's coming towards him wheras Dorgu has to keep an eye on it (plus the player behind) over his shoulder.
Looks to have declined massively, no where near the GK we bought initially.
I will defend him on the first goal though, it was absolutely down to Dorgu, if Onana hadnt come for it i'd have been criticising him and it was a poor decision from Dorgu.
You forgot the season opener against wolves where he completely missed the flight of the ball and punched a wolves player in the head. We were lucky to not concede a penalty and lost that game back then
Looks to have declined massively, no where near the GK we bought initially.
I will defend him on the first goal though, it was absolutely down to Dorgu, if Onana hadnt come for it i'd have been criticising him and it was a poor decision from Dorgu.
Not defending him but it is interesting to see how his form has matched with the goalkeeping coaches. Last year it was Richard Hartis and Onana under-performed. First few months of this season he was playing well with Jelle ten Rouwelaar as coach. He got moved on for Jorge Vital when Amorim took over and Onana has gone back to making errors almost immediately.
Kelleher has a year left on his contract this summer and is far better than the calamity we currently have. He also wants to be a starting GK.
Just literally anyone with hands will do. Honestly anyone..
I think he’s a solid keeper. But would he do the unthinkable and would they sell him to us?Kelleher has a year left on his contract this summer and is far better than the calamity we currently have. He also wants to be a starting GK.
Just literally anyone with hands will do. Honestly anyone..
Yeah him coming out wasn't great where the feck is he going he can see Dorgu getting the ball
He came with Amorim so that would have been late November when he started. The last game where he conceded before that was the Chelsea draw and there were only 2 posts after that game. One was actually from you;I think his good form in the first half of this season was a continuation of the second half of last season. So I’m not sure there’s a direct link with coaching. When did Jorge Vital take over anyway? Feels like it happened after his early season form went to shite. Could be wrong though.
Amazing. He lets a goal in and we don’t have anyone trying to find a way to blame him. Bottom right corner, too! He must be finally winning the fans over. Miracles will never cease.
He came with Amorim so that would have been late November when he started. The last game where he conceded before that was the Chelsea draw and there were only 2 posts after that game. One was actually from you;
The other said he was the least of our problems now.
Looking back through the threadmarks, the Forest game a couple of weeks after Amorim's arrival was the start of his decline in form. It's probably co-incidence but the timing does seem to match up.
A terrible human beingWho’s the poster that got banned for calling Onana disabled? Whoever he is he’s also a regular on Arsenal Mania, just seen him on there bragging about it. Weird flex.
He transmits panic.
He would be ideal but the history says it can't happen.I really like Kelleher but doubt if Liverpool will sell to us.
A more viable theory would be he's no longer as protected in this setup. If we're going as far as correlating 3 month-goalkeeping coaches we might as well start looking at what weather he makes more errors. You don't just turn full rogue this late in your career. This is who he was and he was one bad goal away from losing us the FA cup final and being hounded out of the club like any of our previous error prone GKs. We just allowed the form to blind us on the class.Not defending him but it is interesting to see how his form has matched with the goalkeeping coaches. Last year it was Richard Hartis and Onana under-performed. First few months of this season he was playing well with Jelle ten Rouwelaar as coach. He got moved on for Jorge Vital when Amorim took over and Onana has gone back to making errors almost immediately.
Onana is the most culpable in this situation. He can see literally everything that is happening and unfolding in front of him. Dorgu is having to multitask thinking about the runner behind him, the ball and Onana. Onana must have communicated somehow but if he just stays where is was there is no issue, but he complicates the scenario for no reason..I watched it several trying to figure out what the hell the two of them were thinking.
Dorgu essentially spotted him and assumed that Onana is going to stop his run. He looked away (down?) and passed to where he last saw Onana was. Onana had continued run in towards the ball, I think assuming that Dorgu was shielding it all the way to his feet.
It’s miscommunication, and both made weird assumptions, and Dorgu should look where he’s passing the ball, but considering one just arrived and is young and the other has been our starting keeper for a long time, and played at the highest level even before joining us, I’d expect Onana to take control and shout or signal to Dorgu what he wants.
If Onana hadn't come for it nobody would be criticizing anyone because absolutely nothing remotely memorable would have come of it.
