[Socratic]

Mystified at how so many posters on here rate Onana.
He has terrible fundamentals and the counterweight to his below par goalkeeping ability (distribution) has evaporated.

Tom Heaton is the best keeper at the club, how he can't get a game ahead of the other two is baffling when they're consistently poor.
Fergie in the past went to Van Der Gouw and Lindegaard when he felt it necessary. Heaton is comfortably better than either of those options.

 

[criticalanalysis]

It's a failing all around.

Our coaching staff should be setting us up way better at corners (obviously)
Our outfield players should have the nous and brain to want to protect their goalkeeper
Our goalkeeper should have the command to be able to grab our players and get them back to protect him.

Literally everyone comes out of it looking like shit.

Exactly this, which is why it's so frustrating. All 3 critical elements seem to be failing so hard. Surely at least one would come out looking 'ah they tried but it didn't work' but it's everyone fecking up.

I just had a quick look so not entirely accurate but I don't think Casemiro has been on the pitch with the many goals we've conceded from set pieces and I don't think that's a coincidence too.

 

[Gandalf]

What's De Gea been up to since he left?

It was the right decision to let De Gea leave. It was the wrong decision to bring in Onana as his replacement.

Currently first choice for Fiorentina who are pushing for a CL spot and having a strong season, DDG himself has been in great form and seems to have cracked how to save penalties at this late stage in his career.

I do agree letting DDG leave was the right move though, it is sickening that we spent 50M on a lousy replacement though when Raya was far better, cheaper and available. ETH has a lot to answer for.

 

[Litch]

Mistakes haven't cost us games this season but his saves have won us them. There are many other issues much greater than the keeper, but I think it would be good to have some genuine competition. I think this will happen in January....

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Mistakes haven't cost us games this season but his saves have won us them. There are many other issues much greater than the keeper, but I think it would be good to have some genuine competition. I think this will happen in January....

I see you've wiped the Forest game from your memory banks already. Don't blame you to be honest.

 

[Vidooq]

His save for the Strand Larsen header was hilarious, you could see the look of disgust on Maguire’s face that he tipped that over for a corner instead of catching it or at least parrying it before saving.

He’s a joke of a keeper but we need so many positions that he’s just tolerated for the time being but no serious person views him as reliable option long term.

I've defended him a lot last year, but that one was for cameras. Gave away a corner for no aparent reason bar looking good for tipping it over the bar, from a ball he could've easily caught and kept possession. Harry had every right to ask him what the freak are you doing?

 

[Litch]

I see you've wiped the Forest game from your memory banks already. Don't blame you to be honest.

Don't think the mistake was the difference between us winning or losing but it certainly didn't help. I know it's goalkeeping and ultimately the blame stops there but the defending in that forest game was shocking....

He's not my choice, but I think hes a good keeper. I just prefer a more rounded keeper but I suspect we'll be spending the money elsewhere for at least another season unless we can get someone on the cheap...

 

[FattyFooty]

Keeper is a underrated position.

Onana is nowhere near the level we need if we are suppose to reach CL again.

Hes to me by far the worst keeper in United that got 50 + games the last 30 years. At least how i recall it...

 

[Litch]

Keeper is a underrated position.

Onana is nowhere near the level we need if we are suppose to reach CL again.

Hes to me by far the worst keeper in United that got 50 + games the last 30 years. At least how i recall it...

Worst Keeper in Utd that got 50+ games....I know some don't rate him but behave. You know he's played in a CL final, can't be many keepers that's done that....didn't cost inter and most would argue he played a big part getting them there.

 

[FattyFooty]

Worst Keeper in Utd that got 50+ games....I know some don't rate him but behave. You know he's played in a CL final, can't be many keepers that's done that....didn't cost inter and most would argue he played a big part getting them there.

What keeper is better that has 50+ games the last 30 years? I dont recall. Maybe you can make me remeber?

 

[lex talionis]

Mistakes happen, even by undeniably world class keepers such as Peter the Great, but the great promise of Onana was his brilliant distribution, from which phenomenal ball possession leading to great chances were to be crafted.

It’s safe to say that Onana’s distribution is nothing special.

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

Ball playing ability is very overrated especially for a goalkeeper.

He hardly gets to kick the ball out anyway when holding on to possesion.

Whats more important is to be able as

A) play as a sweeper keeper
B) able to command your box

Add a bit of ball distribution to that with feet and you have the perfect keeper.

 

[Pickle85]

Ball playing ability is very overrated especially for a goalkeeper.

He hardly gets to kick the ball out anyway when holding on to possesion.

Whats more important is to be able as

A) play as a sweeper keeper
B) able to command your box

Add a bit of ball distribution to that with feet and you have the perfect keeper.

No mention of handling, reflexes, shot stopping etc?

 

[WhatIsLove]

No mention of handling, reflexes, shot stopping etc?

That is what a keeper should be good at by default

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

No mention of handling, reflexes, shot stopping etc?

Thats the basics of goalkeeping so i left it out.

The modern day GK has to be a sweeper keeper & if i remember right this was why Ederson was bought by City, not necessarily to play passes especially long ones where Onana is kicking the ball up to Hojlund. Its why we let go of De Gea because he was always on his line and never controlling his box.

Considering we have 3 CB's the ball is rotated between 3 in the back line and the goalkeeper until a passing lane is open, i dont think a goalkeeper's passing options are so hard in the modern game to pull off in comparison to being a sweeper keeper.

 

[Insanity]

Mistakes happen, even by undeniably world class keepers such as Peter the Great, but the great promise of Onana was his brilliant distribution, from which phenomenal ball possession leading to great chances were to be crafted.

It’s safe to say that Onana’s distribution is nothing special.

I still remember reading one of the greatest essays written on the subject, one of the current day classics, a 21st century masterpiece, on how we are going to score more goals once we get a "ball playing keeper".

 

[Stadjer]

Mistakes happen, even by undeniably world class keepers such as Peter the Great, but the great promise of Onana was his brilliant distribution, from which phenomenal ball possession leading to great chances were to be crafted.

It’s safe to say that Onana’s distribution is nothing special.

His short passing is good. When he is pressured he doesnt panic and finds a defender without issue. He created a one of one for Dalot just this season with his long passing. Usually his long passes are wasted because none of our forwards will win their (header) duel though.

Onana his special quality is his ability on the ball and his ability to play out of a press. He isnt going to create great chances often. No goalkeeper does that.

Overall he isnt a world class goalkeeper but he is fine for a club that wants to compete for major titles.

 

[Pickle85]

That is what a keeper should be good at by default

Thats the basics of goalkeeping so i left it out.

The modern day GK has to be a sweeper keeper & if i remember right this was why Ederson was bought by City, not necessarily to play passes especially long ones where Onana is kicking the ball up to Hojlund. Its why we let go of De Gea because he was always on his line and never controlling his box.

Considering we have 3 CB's the ball is rotated between 3 in the back line and the goalkeeper until a passing lane is open, i dont think a goalkeeper's passing options are so hard in the modern game to pull off in comparison to being a sweeper keeper.

Fair enough, though reading this thread it often appeared that those fundamentals were secondary to many (not saying you two!) to abilities with ball at feet.

 

[Irwin99]

His short passing and coolness on the ball is undeniably excellent. Long range passing hasn’t been phenomenal or transformative though.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

I still remember reading one of the greatest essays written on the subject, one of the current day classics, a 21st century masterpiece, on how we are going to score more goals once we get a "ball playing keeper".

It would help us score more goals than a proper striker who can score goals, is what I mainly remember from that masterpiece.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

We needed De Gea to improve his passing and to come for crosses more aggressively. That would have made the ideal keeper, pairing god-like reflexes with "modern" components of the sweeper-keeper.

Instead, we got a better passer of the ball who is far worse at the basics of goalkeeping. Yes, they gave him the run of the park in Italy, but that hasn't happened in the PL. Whether that's down to energy levels or better players, who knows. The result though, is that his vaunted ability to let our defenders play halfway up the pitch and then to find an attacker with a 70 yarder... well, that hasn't happened and it's never going to with him.

Unless there's a massive turnaround in second half of this season, we need to move him on. Tried, didn't work. We've had a lot of really nice players in the team the past few years, but maybe we need to have some hard bastards who don't smile. Sad fact is too many in the squad are simply not good enough for any realistic hope of top 4, let alone vying for winning the league.

Sell.

 

[Rossa]

Is it too much to ask for a big fecker of a goalkeeper who is solid, can catch the ball and command his box?

Imagine Schmeichel in goal and Keane for Ugarte and then imagine that goal ever happening. Those are the standards. This is the way!