Good spot. Glad Eriksen pushed him away.
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Totally agree mate. Just can't understand why so many think it was. The less said about the ABU media the better. I bet we suffer for a long time in regards to decisions after the scrutiny.
Yeap, when Henderson did it he was criticised too. Most just aren't used to seeing it, but every keeper in the league aside from you know who did this every now and again.
Now when he calls it, people will get the feck out of his way because they know they might get smashed. He's set an early example that will make claiming high balls easier for him in the long run.
That was a great moment. And something we wouldn't have seen with the previous incumbent.
They definitely have to move and trust him to find them with his passes.
100%. Seeing them all stand still when he was looking to launch passes was infuriating, so too seeing him ping long balls and players being utterly useless at holding it up or being able to even bloody head it.
Onana > Hojlund should be the drill in training.
Same old Lindelof, weak as you can be.
Not sure what he was trying to do, but glad the other players intervened.
What's the point of a goalkeeper than can pass when there's no one to pass to? All the rest just standing still like statues behind other team's player, each hiding and waiting on someone else. It looked bizarre at times. Someone makes himself available, then immediately passing the ball back to Onana. Eventually, he hoofs it forward. Rinse and repeat.
Strange stuff. But I like what I saw from him.
Strange stuff. But I like what I saw from him.
What I find puzzling was that Shaw was almost by the half-way line every time Onana had the ball - so we got crowded by 4 Wolves-players and we could only go central, right or long - because there was noone on the left to play to - made it so much easier for Wolves
Yeah that was weird. I think the whole thing is going to take lots more drilling in training and a fair few matches before it really clicks. If we’re realistic, that shouldn’t be a shock to any of us.
I do think our pre-season schedule was insufficient. We look lacking in sharpness and a bit confused at times.
Yeah this was brilliant keeping. A perfect example of where we might conceed with De Gea
So that means 20/21 short and medium range passes = 95%, and Rashford/Garnacho/Antony lost 73% of long ball duels?
I had Onana as our best player (MOTM was Cunha) ahead of Wan Bissaka. His only minus was the Schmeichel-esque barging out in the last minute, but I prefer him being proactive like that than passive. We are not losing many goals this year to penalties that way.
It’s so strange to se someone who doesn’t know the rules making fun about people who desn’t know the rules
It’s so strange to se someone who doesn’t know the rules making fun about people who desn’t know the rules
I'm not making fun of anyone and have already explained my point in an additional post, so jog on and save the winking emojis for your online girlfriend.
‘Do people know the fecking rules?’ You wrote, and to me that sounds like ridiculing people who wrote that it should be a pen by the rules.
You demonstrated fairly clearly that you yourself don’t know the rules. Here are the rules:
Direct and indirect free kicks and penalty kicks can only be awarded for offences committed when the ball is in play.
1. Direct free kick
A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
charges
jumps at
kicks or attempts to kick
pushes
strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)
tackles or challenges
trips or attempts to trip
If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick.
Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed
Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned
Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off
A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:
a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area)
holds an opponent
impedes an opponent with contact
bites or spits at someone on the team lists or a match official
throws an object at the ball, opponent or match official, or makes contact with the ball with a held object
The ball is obviously in play, Onana evidently jumps at and charges (even strikes, actually) an opponent in a clearly careless manner and that impedes the opponent (who topples over, the ball still in play). There is no exception to this dependent on where the ball is, as long as it is in play. At least not according to the rules.
You say you have explained your false knowledge elsewhere. However, your explanation draws on the things to consider not when assessing wether a free kick/penalty is to be given, but when assessing wether a red card should be given for denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity.
This is an ease enough mistake to make for a lay person, not everybody knows the rules of the game. If you don’t know the rules that well, you can admit to it, and maybe you should refrain from ‘do people know the fecking rules’. You can also say ‘oh, I didn’t know that’ as an alternative to ‘jog on etc’.
Felt very assured with him in net. Been a while since we've had a keeper willing to clean out his own players to win the ball
The look on Shaw's face says it all really
Really really good debut. Seems like he was told to not push out as much as he did pre season, which would be bizarre especially at home.
We defo need attackers who like to challenge for the ball on especially in the air
We defo need attackers who like to challenge for the ball on especially in the air
Yes, looking back to it I had indeed mixed up the red card and pen rules in the heat of the moment. I would like to apologise for my previous post as well, which was uncalled for.
That said, it's still not a penalty for me as Onana did not affect the Wolves player's ability to play the ball in the best possible way in that situation given the timing of the contact, which is practically what Ten Hag said after the game as well.
I think some of the rules are way too open for interpretation hence why we even have officials of the game calling almost identical incidents in a completely different way.
You have yesterday's officials and the ones in the VAR room thinking it's not a pen and the next morning they're dropped for the next round of fixtures with Moss saying it's a blatant pen. Obviously something's unclear not only for the average joes, but for the professionals too.
Anyway. We move on.
Fair enough.
I think you make a lot of good points in this post, even if I think it is a stonewall penalty by the rules. The praxis of referees are confusing, both with what they will accept from keepers in duels, and with fouls they’ll let go because they are not ‘visually striking’ enough. The constant tinkering with the rules doesn’t help, what’s nothing in May is suddenly a penalty in June (see Liverpool-Spurs CL final) etc.
To a degree we want refs to be able to think and not just follow rules too, but we then have to live with variable standards. VAR was supposed (for some) to end that, but in my view it only makes the mistakes more glaring and unjust.
What is wierd
Was comfortable last night. Made some decent stops at the near post.
As I said he is clearly capable of better.
I am mostly remarking that the guys who said he would instantly change our attacking play are back tracking now. It was always an embarrassing view born out of the need for a scape goat post maguire.
I think it'll be an incremental improvement on our overall play that comes with downsides too.
Overall clearly there are bigger concerns from last night but I think onana will be a big talking point as the fans expectations were so high (unrealistically)
Well it was, statement has been made and the refs involved wont ref round 2.... Keep up
In terms of improving our attacking play that was always going to be most evident against teams that try to press us high up the pitch, our kryptonite. If we can pass our way through a press like that we can quickly create dangerous situations. Which will be a huge improvement on De Gea's panicky hoofs. Against teams happy to sit off us like Wolves last night I agree he will have little or no effect on our overall play. But in games like last night DDG was rarely a problem. He's happy enough when given loads of time and space on the ball.
Fair point. Don't really agree that teams that press are our kryptonite... Feel like we have struggled against wolves type teams for years, and teams like Leeds who have tried to play high up the pitch have had terrible form against us. But I agree that wolves are negative, hard to play against and a goalkeeper isn't going to make any difference there.
Pretty much what everyone else has said. Good saves, good claims and switched on when it mattered. Lucky with the no-pen and passing was okay, not as good as pre-season, which is fine as it was more of a team issue. That shows at least that he's not going to force play making from the back and should reassure some people.
I would like to see him more commanding and shouting instructions. It's a big ask but it would show a lot of personality for him to get involved so soon at a new team.
I would like to see him more commanding and shouting instructions. It's a big ask but it would show a lot of personality for him to get involved so soon at a new team.
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A bit funny I love him already so much.
A bit funny
I love him already so much.I reckon it's purely because we was on the backfoot.. The other games we were on top and lapses of concentration led to those moments.
Impressed with him last night but as I mentioned in the match thread, a keepers passing ability is limited by those ahead of him and that will remain a problem for us going forward.
Once again though we are relying on the goalkeeper to dig us out of a hole. We've changed the keeper expecting some sort of transformation and instead we've reverted to type. Hopefully in time this will change but I doubt this wasn't being worked on all last season with little apparent improvement.
His bravery will be both an asset and at times, a hindrance as we saw last night. Add to that our ability to create absolute chaos on our own box from nothing and there will be a few heart stopping moments no doubt.
As said though, I was impressed with him.
Once again though we are relying on the goalkeeper to dig us out of a hole. We've changed the keeper expecting some sort of transformation and instead we've reverted to type. Hopefully in time this will change but I doubt this wasn't being worked on all last season with little apparent improvement.
His bravery will be both an asset and at times, a hindrance as we saw last night. Add to that our ability to create absolute chaos on our own box from nothing and there will be a few heart stopping moments no doubt.
As said though, I was impressed with him.
This guy is the real deal. He brought an assurance I haven't felt in a long time when the team was properly up against it.
Frightens the life out of me personally, i really want to be where the majority of other posters are but he concerns me massively.
Time will tell but jury massively out for me.
Time will tell but jury massively out for me.
Some have massively overrated him to the extent he's considered as the single most important transfer we could have made this summer. Clearly nonsense but that's the narrative.
For me, swapping De Gea for Onana maintains a good quality of goalkeeper at the club. Onana will save more points for us than he will ever cost us so I think we can all be fairly happy with his signing, regardless of how you felt about the previous keeper.
Thought he was class last night. Really like him
That's one De Gea doesn't come out for and it could've been trouble.
I was half expecting a goal for Wolves there forgetting we had a new keeper who actually comes out for crosses.
I watched that frame by frame to see how difficult it was to claim. First thing I noticed was that it was a cracking cross. Second thing I noticed was a Wolves player who had a decent chance of beating Onana to the ball but visibly chickened out. Obviously because he’d seen his mate get absolutely clattered a few minutes earlier. For a goalkeeper being known as aggressive and brave makes a huge difference. No striker would back out of a similar situation with our previous keeper in goal.
Got to love Lindelof's defending there. Couldn't prevent the player from moving forward, little to super weak jostling, couldn't get himself goal side and if Onana hadn't claimed, it would have been a simple tap in.
That's a brilliant claim and the thing I was most interested in seeing how he'd be tbh. How is he claiming crosses. So key in the prem, and de Geas weakest point by far throughout his time here. Very brave from Onana but also the right call.
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