[Kostov]

Absolute crap, rooted on the line and shies away from the shot for the second goal.

 

[Blood Mage]

His passing isn't even good. You will struggle to convince me that he isn't an obvious downgrade on De Gea.

 

[lex talionis]

This whole thread is a train wreck. He’s made some bad mistakes in Europe so he’s absolutely hated now. And people will find a reason to blame him for every single goal we concede, bar none. And that’s not an exaggeration. Literally every goal you’ll find at least one person trying to blame him. Usually a bunch of people. It’s almost funny. But mainly very very boring.

Anyway. I didn’t watch the game so can’t comment on his overall performance. I did see some nice long passes in the bits and pieces of the game I managed to watch and wouldn’t blame him for either goal.

Watch the game before commenting on commentary on the game.

Reasonable minds can differ on both goals -- Onana could have come out for the corner kick, but most of the blame is rightly on Dalot; most of the blame for the second goal is on Evans but Onana should have come out on Betancur to at leas to attempt to smother the shot.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Watch the game before commenting on commentary on the game.

Reasonable minds can differ on both goals -- Onana could have come out for the corner kick, but most of the blame is rightly on Dalot; most of the blame for the second goal is on Evans but Onana should have come out on Betancur to at leas to attempt to smother the shot.

I’m commentating on commentary of the goals. Which I did watch. As I made clear in my post.

 

[Irwin99]

6 out of 10 for me, did nothing brilliant but nothing bad either. I wouldn't blame him for either goal.

I am looking forward to see how he does with Martinez back in the team. His best display in a United shirt (with his feet at any rate) was the game against Arsenal where he and Martinez played their way out of Arsenal's press quite comfortably. Not saying he's going to turn into a different player i just think it's a small positive going forward.

 

[lex talionis]

I’m commentating on commentary of the goals. Which I did watch. As I made clear in my post.

Did someone hack your account when these words were written under your name?

Anyway. I didn’t watch the game so can’t comment on his overall performance.

Watching the game gives you a pretty solid context in which to evaluate the performances of the players. If all you watch are YouTube or TikTok videos you're missing out on important context even in the few seconds of the highlights you do watch. I've missed a few United matches this season but got caught up later on YouTube -- by coincidence, mostly Onana's disastrous performances in the CL -- yet I would never claim that for those matches I have an equal understanding of Onana's performances to those who actually watched those games.

In today's match, Onana's distribution was very good. Not once did he plant his foot on the ball to invite pressure. He made his passes quickly and accurately and on one occasion played an outstanding Route One ball that I've never seen from Allison or Ederson, let alone De Gea. The play amounted to nothing, but Onana can hold up his head high on that aspect of his play today. As for his more traditional goalkeeping work, we were getting battered with corner kicks throughout the match. On the first goal you caught on TikTok or whatever Onana was rooted to his line on a ball that every single time Allision or Ederson would have dealt with, but all responsibility for the conceded goal falls on Dalot. But then there is the second goal, which happened less than a minute into the second half (90 seconds at most) in which Spurs walked right through midfield and created a 1v1 on Evans. One can decide for themselves whether could have done more than stay rooted his line, but the point here is that a keeper with his experience needs to take more responsibility when he sees his defenders getting carved open.

 

[Matt Varnish]

I would argue that whilst he isn't solely responsible for either goal, I think it's fair to say he could have done better on both of them.
I do wonder if any of this team including the manager watches videos of opposition, especially set pieces like corners, Onana seems to be completely lost at every set piece, a id the plays are all brand new to him.
We still don't have a player on the post, for the first Dalot is stood almost shoulder to shoulder with Onana, stopping him from diving and not actually covering the post, if he had stood on the post, he stops the header going in.
Why isn't Onana coming for these balls, does the Wolves game still haunt him?
It will be interesting to see what happens to him at AFCON

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Did someone hack your account when these words were written under your name?

Anyway. I didn’t watch the game so can’t comment on his overall performance.

Watching the game gives you a pretty solid context in which to evaluate the performances of the players. If all you watch are YouTube or TikTok videos you're missing out on important context even in the few seconds of the highlights you do watch. I've missed a few United matches this season but got caught up later on YouTube -- by coincidence, mostly Onana's disastrous performances in the CL -- yet I would never claim that for those matches I have an equal understanding of Onana's performances to those who actually watched those games.

In today's match, Onana's distribution was very good. Not once did he plant his foot on the ball to invite pressure. He made his passes quickly and accurately and on one occasion played an outstanding Route One ball that I've never seen from Allison or Ederson, let alone De Gea. The play amounted to nothing, but Onana can hold up his head high on that aspect of his play today. As for his more traditional goalkeeping work, we were getting battered with corner kicks throughout the match. On the first goal you caught on TikTok or whatever Onana was rooted to his line on a ball that every single time Allision or Ederson would have dealt with, but all responsibility for the conceded goal falls on Dalot. But then there is the second goal, which happened less than a minute into the second half (90 seconds at most) in which Spurs walked right through midfield and created a 1v1 on Evans. One can decide for themselves whether could have done more than stay rooted his line, but the point here is that a keeper with his experience needs to take more responsibility when he sees his defenders getting carved open.

These words were also in my post. Literally immediately after the words you highlighted in bold. I watched the goals we conceded. Hence I can comment on his role in those goals.

I did see some nice long passes in the bits and pieces of the game I managed to watch and wouldn’t blame him for either goal

Why do you find basic comprehension so difficult?

 

[Moston Red]

Very static for both goals.

 

[RopersReturn]

Thing I noticed is that both DeGea and now Onana, are very static keepers. At what point do we start asking questions about the GK coaching?

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

I don't particularly "blame" him for either goal.

Porro's corners are lethal, whipped in very flat and with a lot of venom. Very difficult for any goalkeeper to come and attack them.

Betancur's goal, Eriksen and Evans were very poor but as always with Onana, there's always a nagging feeling that a really top keeper might have done better.

 

[Matt Varnish]

De Gea for most of his time at time at United was coached by different coaches to who is coaching Onana now.

 

[Bwuk]

He’s pish. We’ve spent 60m and downgraded from a past it De Gea.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Hate to say it but we should've just signed Pickford. You need a big personality to play for United. Onana probably isn't as bad as he looks for us, but the pressures of playing for this club and the constant scrutiny means his flaws are badly exposed all the time.

 

[Matt Varnish]

He’s pish. We’ve spent 60m and downgraded from a past it De Gea.

Get it right €55m + €4m in add ons, roughly £47m, well short of your £60m

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Another keeper who just flat out refuses to come out for crosses is pretty depressing

 

[Matt Varnish]

Hate to say it but we should've just signed Pickford. You need a big personality to play for United. Onana probably isn't as bad as he looks for us, but the pressures of playing for this club and the constant scrutiny means his flaws are badly exposed all the time.

Pickford is only rated because he's English

 

[Matt Varnish]

Another keeper who just flat out refuses to come out for crosses is pretty depressing

Do we blame the coaches for that, with the present guidelines for Ref's there doesn't seem to be any advantage in a keeper coming off his line, you only had to watch the Burnley/Luton game last night, a blatant foul on the keeper, but the goal stood.

I think his lack of agility and what I see as the inability to read the game is a bigger issue for him.

 

[Cantonalegod]

Mental if anyone's blaming him for Bentancur's power shot. Try standing in front of that. By the time you move an inch the ball would have been in the back of the net.

Unfortunately he was practically down on one knee when it went past him.
If he had of stood upright it would have just hit him!

 

[lex talionis]

Hate to say it but we should've just signed Pickford. You need a big personality to play for United. Onana probably isn't as bad as he looks for us, but the pressures of playing for this club and the constant scrutiny means his flaws are badly exposed all the time.

Probably not Pickford, although he's flat out a better keeper than Onana, but the one who Spurs got, Vicario. Vicario is an outstanding acquisition for Spurs, but it would have required actual scouting to know that ahead of time instead of what we did with Onana. What we've been doing under ETH is going with players with any kind of Dutch experience and not asking questions about key attributes, such as shot stopping in the case of the goalkeeper. Or chance creation or finishing in the case of Antony.

 

[el3mel]

This whole thread is a train wreck. He’s made some bad mistakes in Europe so he’s absolutely hated now. And people will find a reason to blame him for every single goal we concede, bar none. And that’s not an exaggeration. Literally every goal you’ll find at least one person trying to blame him. Usually a bunch of people. It’s almost funny. But mainly very very boring.

Anyway. I didn’t watch the game so can’t comment on his overall performance. I did see some nice long passes in the bits and pieces of the game I managed to watch and wouldn’t blame him for either goal.

Massive understatement. He single handedly knocked us out of Europe.

 

[Oranges038]

Hate to say it but we should've just signed Pickford. You need a big personality to play for United. Onana probably isn't as bad as he looks for us, but the pressures of playing for this club and the constant scrutiny means his flaws are badly exposed all the time.

This is such nonsense, Utd isn't some special place for goalkeepers, it's not the hardest goalkeeping job in football. You need to be confident in your abilities and be a big personality to play in goal for any big team, not just Utd. Many many goalkeepers have been chewed up and spit out of top teams, it's not something that happens only at Utd.

 

[mu4c_20le]

This is such nonsense, Utd isn't some special place for goalkeepers, it's not the hardest goalkeeping job in football. You need to be confident in your abilities and be a big personality to play in goal for any big team, not just Utd. Many many goalkeepers have been chewed up and spit out of top teams, it's not something that happens only at Utd.

Ok, guess Schmeichel was wrong then.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Weird how some think it a performance worth commenting on.
Didn’t nothing bad, nor nothing great.

 

[ABTEK]

Going ahead doesn't give excitement anymore. He is going to leak a goal somehow or come short.

 

[Stadjer]

Massive understatement. He single handedly knocked us out of Europe.

Glad that you dont disagree with the rest of the post. You are right. We are out of Europe because of his mistakes but Pogue is also correct that Onana is 'hated' and because of that he is blamed for things he shouldnt be blamed for. He didnt do anything wrong, that second goal was from closeby and with power. It would have been excellent save but its not a goal to blame the goalkeeper for if he doesnt save it. Ridiculous to see a call for Jordan Pickford after todays match.

I don't particularly "blame" him for either goal.

Porro's corners are lethal, whipped in very flat and with a lot of venom. Very difficult for any goalkeeper to come and attack them.

Betancur's goal, Eriksen and Evans were very poor but as always with Onana, there's always a nagging feeling that a really top keeper might have done better.

Only keeper in who i would be confident to save that second goal would be Alisson.

 

[Remember the geese]

Hate to say it but we should've just signed Pickford.

Probably shouldn't have said it then.

 

[el3mel]

Glad that you dont disagree with the rest of the post. You are right. We are out of Europe because of his mistakes but Pogue is also correct that Onana is 'hated' and because of that he is blamed for things he shouldnt be blamed for. He didnt do anything wrong, that second goal was from closeby and with power. It would have been excellent save but its not a goal to blame the goalkeeper for if he doesnt save it. Ridiculous to see a call for Jordan Pickford after todays match.



Only keeper in who i would be confident to save that second goal would be Alisson.

Hated is a big word, but of course he didn't build any kind of trust with the fans so no one is confident in him and he will blamed for the slightest mistakes now. He brought that to himself with the way he knocked us out of Europe. He didn't give any reason for the fans to defend him or trust him.

I didn't blame him for both goals against Spurs but a more proactive keeper would have cleared the corner from the first goal.

 

[JJ12]

Massive understatement. He single handedly knocked us out of Europe.

He also saved a pen last kick of the game to preserve 3 points

 

[mu4c_20le]

Probably shouldn't have said it then.

Probably need a trigger warning.

 

[Woziak]

The reality this season is hard to admit for some fans but De Gea, AWB/Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Shaw and Prime Casemiro were a very difficult team to score goals against as a defensive unit.

Take De Gea, Martinez, Shaw and Casemiro out for most of the season and you have a team that is mid table at best.


I can easily see Onana being sold and Pickford being installed as number 1 or United actually going for broke with Diego Costa.

 

[united for life]

For the last couple of years, people kept complaining about de gea’s poor distribution and not coming off goal for crosses. onana’s distribution is better than de gea - but still not that great from what I have seen so far. Onana is also not commanding in the air as well. He isn’t an upgrade on de gea in that aspect. In terms of shot stopping, de gea is way way way better. One of the best in the world.

i think we made a wrong decision to push de gea out of the club to spend 50+ million on onana. This money could’ve been spent improving other positions (all positions need improvement).

call me old fashioned, but for me, the most important attribute of a goalkeeper is reflex, not footwork. Can’t we just go back and apologise to david and ask him to come back? He loves the club and city…

 

[el3mel]

He also saved a pen last kick of the game to preserve 3 points

One moment versus ton of goals conceded every game in which he had a direct role in many of them.

 

[stoinz]

His shot stopping is average but with a decent defense he shouldn't be taking that many shots too. It is his constant dallying on the ball that annoys me. He just loves to hold on to the ball and wait for the attacker to rush him, instead of playing short, he will almost always kick it long and somehow find the opposition players. By then the opponents' would have already got back into position to defend.

Don't know if it is his passing or our players in midfield don't know where to position, but we never seems to get the possession of the ball from a long kick from our goal keeper.

 

[Rossa]

I'm not his biggest fan as I think he's a little too average as a goal keeper, although I do appreciate his on the ball and passing abilities.

Blaming him for yesterday is, however, absurd. The first goal, there are three United players in the duel. If Onana had gone into the duel, I would say that would have been a poor decision as you don't barge into a duel like that - it's a different story on the header that hit the crossbar. That he should have gone for.

The second goal - how should Onana have expected Evans to suddenly turn 80? Firstly, Eriksen was too high up the pitch creating more space than you'll find on the moon. Secondly, Mainoo never managed to close down either players or space, leaving Evans one on one inside the box. Then obviously Evans completely misjudged the play and had a brainfart. No way you can expect Onana to anticipate any of that - terrible play by everyone concerned, but blaming Onana sounds like an agenda here.

 

[Oranges038]

Ok, guess Schmeichel was wrong then.

He probably was. Really just have a look at every other top team and look at how many keepers they go through or have gone through over the last 20 years. The pressure of being goalkeeper at Utd is not really any different to any other top team.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Unfortunately he was practically down on one knee when it went past him.
If he had of stood upright it would have just hit him!

Which is the exact shape a goalkeeper is trained to adopt when blocking a shot from very close to them and they won’t have time to react. It’s a shape that makes them as big a barrier as possible while also making it hard for a striker to put the ball through their legs.

So crazy this needs to be pointed out to United fans, considering DDG often gets credited with being one of the first keepers to use that style of block.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I'm the first to question goals he could/should potentially do better with - don't think either of those counted yesterday.

Again the big thing yesterday is just how he seemingly never comes for crosses, which was all the more striking when you had Vicario at the other end coming out to catch anything he had a good chance at getting.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I'm the first to question goals he could/should potentially do better with - don't think either of those counted yesterday.

Again the big thing yesterday is just how he seemingly never comes for crosses, which was all the more striking when you had Vicario at the other end coming out to catch anything he had a good chance at getting.

I think his stats for claiming crosses were similar to DDG last season. In other words, pretty shite. Which is a pity because signing a keeper who is more dominant in the air than DDG was surely low hanging fruit?

Mind you, I thought the bloke Arsenal signed was going to be brilliant under crosses and he’s been terrible. And he’s a replacement for another very expensive goalie. So there’s more to this upgrading your keeper thing than reading stats on fbref!

 

[Matt Varnish]

He probably was. Really just have a look at every other top team and look at how many keepers they go through or have gone through over the last 20 years. The pressure of being goalkeeper at Utd is not really any different to any other top team.

If that's the case why did Schmiechel say it was, and why did he play for Villa and City?
I remember him saying that the demands at United were higher, a lot higher, not just physically but mentally, the fans were more demanding, the manager was demanding, you are only correct if we have allowed our standards to slip to very poor level.
I keep saying it, others keep saying it, yet his fans never reply, this is not a raw keeper, this is a keeper with ECL, European and International experience, he should not be making these mistakes on such a regular basis, he should be the finished article, but he is a million miles from that.