Well, I said recent history. These exceptions have all occurred in the last 12months under Ten Hag. AWB was ridiculed, dead in the water, universally written off. Without any great fanfare, he's reclaimed his reputation. I don't know if it's going to happen for Onana but he's not going to be ditched so as I say, I'm sticking with him for the moment.
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Fine, 95% on him.
Again, with a different keeper in net we would more then likely be going through
Was the defence actually atrocious? 2 goals conceded from set pieces which the Goalkeeper was directly at fault for and a very well taken goal. At multiple times during the game the defence was actually putting in a solid performance. The only noticeable change was when Dalot came on and ended up getting rinsed by Zaha a few times. Was it a great defensive performance no, but in no way was the entire defence atrocious. They put up a solid defensive display away from home against a team we had never beaten at their ground and should have beaten yesterday if not for a horrendous display again from the goalkeeper.
He looks too heavy to be a GK for me, his movements are all laboured.
You seem to have missed the part where I said that Onana deserves to be digged out. Accountability works by ways. Though we could just have a happy clappy team of losers.
We did have that Danish keeper with a big, heavy frame for a while. Turned out mostly ok.
If he was struggling to get distance on his dives, or jump up to claim high balls, or reach the corners for high shots, you'd have a point, but none of those have been an issue. Almost all of his mistakes have come from shots low down and close to him, where he either takes too long to decide how to go for the ball or goes down in an unorthodox, inefficient way. It's a technical or decision making problem, not a physical one.
I do think he struggles for distance sometimes - Brighton's third goal as an example. But yeah, it's mostly low down shots he doesn't seem to know what to do with.
I think both teams were affected by his actions: we became really nervous and tentative and had that hurried energy to try and prevent anything getting into proximity of shooting range, which of course led to gaps opening up all over the pitch because we lost our shape. They were buoyed by our keeper being on the rocks and had the feeling that any shot could either lead to a direct goal or some kind of spill that they could capitalise off of. As fans, we were aware of the above and a game that was at least 50-50 felt like it was slipping away from us, or was certainly more on a knife-edge than it otherwise would've been.
We all know what kind of shooting onslaught awaits us in upcoming games now because of him too. Every team is going to test flappy hands and see if there's anything in it for them. Speculative shooting can lead to prosperous returns is the message, and it remains to be seen whether that notion is incorrect.
I'm not in the camp of going back and forth with bad keepers unless they are absolutely spectacular at certain aspects of keeping. De Gea himself was absolutely terrible at cross collection and any kind of commotion in the box, not that he got much better as time went by, but at the same time, he was world-leading at shot stopping and that was evident from the outset. The things Onana was vaunted for, we saw for maybe three games and since then, his kicking and distribution has not offered countenance to the calamity we see with his hands. I'm much slower to 'forgive' keepers than most, which is why I was quiet during his recent upturn because I held the thought that this guy hasn't proven beyond any reasonable doubt that he can be trusted, but obviously the more games without disastrous actions, the more that voice in your head can dull, but nope, the guy's back at it. Again. I just don't see how you can trust a keeper like that, and I wonder how long it takes teammates to, also.
We know ten Hag will send him out again, so it's a run of games that are a trial by fire. I've no clue how he'll do in them, but if there's calamity up his sleeve, I don't think I'll bat an eyelid, and that's not the kind of energy you want toward your keeper. Thinking back to how it felt with our best keepers between the sticks, you go into games with that added layer of comfort and confidence that even if your defenders aren't doing so well or the opponent is on you, your keeper might come up golden; what we have now is the polar opposite; games it looks like we're assured to win, this guy can come along and rip the arse out of. It's unsettling. Definitely not an area of the pitch you can afford to have insecurities about.
That's an article about Tottenham, so how can you use it to measure our scouting for Onana?
The number of blunders made by Onana in the space of 4 months (along with the blunder streak of DDG at the end of 18-19 was equally ridiculous) is unbelievable
can anyone recall another keeper in top flight football committing that many blunders?
can anyone recall another keeper in top flight football committing that many blunders?
The difference in why the managers wanted each player in terms of their character, skillset and attitude. In this article https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...cided-to-sign-andre-onana-from-internazionale ETH focuses on knowing Onana from Ajax and him playing with Martinez. Ange talks about Vicario's skillset and character(humility and determination to learn) as well as the capacity to be coached, having progressed quickly from lower leagues to Serie A. Onana is still making basic errors. Where is this personality that ETH talks about? Where is the determination to improve? Which approach to signing a keeper would you prefer?
I don’t think either the weight or the athleticism are his issues. He seems to have spells where he completely loses his head and basic sense.
There probably are, it's just United are always in the news and we are acutely aware of them. Onana's very weirdly are all in the CL - his PL form is genuinely very good.
Mignolet, Begovic, Joe Hart, Rob Green, Gomes and Cech towards the end of his time at Arsenal.
Everything I've read about him suggests he's mentally strong so I have no doubt he will bounce back and be ready for Saturday.
It is strange how badly he's performed for us in the CL considering how good he was for Inter in their run to the final last season.
Wasn't he voted best keeper in last year's CL campaign?
According to FBref his shot stopping this campaign is worse than all but one other goalkeeper.
Last season he was top of the list. None better. Which is mad. 7th best at stopping crosses too. Looks like he's got a terrible case of Manchester Uniteditis.
I think people should go on his social media and spam lots of gorilla emojis. That shows him that people still believe in his strength and power and support him in these difficult times... True fans should do that to support him.
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Sell him.. cannot handle pressure
The OP of the other discussion thread about him appreciated my comparison and thus changed the thread title. Onana is a total dumpster fire of a goalkeeper.
Someone on ESPN yesterday put it into words what I felt has been happening all season. He is over exaggerating the saves to try make them look better. There was a save in the weekend from Calvert Lewin, I think it was a corner or cross. It was an easy save because DCL headed it straight at him but he over did the motions of saving it and it almost was a blunder. He has done that a few times this season. So yesterday, that save he attempted was so unnatural for a keeper to try make, maybe he panicked because Martial was in motion to head the ball then misses it.
This seems an incredibly clutching at straws like argument to make a point that doesn't really exist.
Now do the same search for Inter's 22/23 Serie A campaign and compare it to the Handanović seasons. Scary stuff, and i quite like him as a character.
We rushed into the decision as there seemed to be this idea that it was De Gea who was holding the whole team back. IF Onana really was the keeper that ETH and our recruitment team actually really wanted and identified him as the future United goalkeeper to take us to the next level then I don't know what to say. Bad form happens, shaky starts happen but at times he doesn't even look like a professional goalkeeper. Absolutely bizarre technique. Complete madness that his footwork and distribution was basically the only thing he was well known for and we thought that was enough.
I'm slightly concerned that ETH had so much sway over GK position. I mean there are clearly some GK Onana has in his game eg parrying and he looks like his diving technique is off - which surely the GK coaches are better suited to compare. That said you can't legislate what happened yesterday because that is genuine third division goalkeeping.
If true it's a bit of a joke frankly. He needs some time out the team for both the teams and his sake. Bayındır deserves an opportunity to have a few games unless he's not cutting it in training.
Standard guess work. Be like if someone missed a penalty, he'd say 'ETH warns x, he will be replaced on penalty duty'
Nah, that’s nonsense. The timing of the decision was forced by the De Gea contract situation. And, if anything, we moved him on too late. Probably should have got rid a year or two earlier - before he damaged his reputation still further with more high profile mistakes - and we might actually have got some money for him.
De Gea needed to be replaced and there was no justification for offering him a new contract to hold onto a keeper who was clearly not good enough. Whether or not we could have done better than Onana is a separate issue. One thing’s for sure, there are a lot of goalkeepers who moved clubs last summer that would have been an upgrade on our former number one. Remains to be seen if Onana is one of them.
Well apparently he’s been smashing it, coaches are really
Impressed and Onana is scared he’ll lose his spot to him when he goes to AFCON anyway.
What’s TL;DR version?
He makes Roy Carroll and Tim Howard looked world class. But still, i have a soft affection for him and hope he comes good
Unfortunately another mare in Europe.
No excuse for chucking balls into the back of your own net
No excuse for chucking balls into the back of your own net
And what will ETH do if the Turkish is worse that Onana ?
Agree re Wolves. I was on the fence, seeing improvement, appreciating composure in playing out, etc. But second one last night killed all hope. Was enough jittery stuff (first goal, some positional stuff last Sun, general weird technique. I’m sorry; I’m gone. After the effort that went into last night; scoring three brilliant goals. He was clearly at fault for two of theirs; should have been straightforward.
United's flawed transfer strategy under ETH focusing on ex-Eredivisie players is the point. Antony, Mount and now Onana. He is not the keeper I expected based on what ETH said in that article. Apart from shouting at Maguire in pre-season, where is this "personality"? Vicario has lived up to the expectation based on what Ange said was his rationale for signing him. I hope that Onana can get his act together and train harder to minimise the errors.
Wolves should have been a penalty. PGMOL later came out and apologized for it.
The ETH having to much control of transfers is a valid point.
The points about what Ange was saying about Vicario didn't really make sense, ETH would have said similar things about Onana, in fact, any manager is going to say similar things about any signings they make. If your point was simply we should not let the manager pick players, it would have been easier just to write that.
I still think Onana will make it here for what it's worth.
Yep, hence the reason they need to be shot. Our signings or shocking.
His PSxG +/- was -4.1, which is the worst Inter have recorded since 2017-18 (which is as far back as FBref goes with xG stats). Scary in the sense that those who were claiming that his CL performances don't tell the whole story actually had some stats to back their claim up. I remember a friend at work telling me, back in the summer, that it's a bit suspicious that the Italians were more than willing to discuss a price. The goalkeeper position in football is idiosyncratic, and you'd expect more resistance for a top in his class goalie.
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