He can go long, but our players shall make themselves available for these passes. They usually don’t
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Are his long passing stats significantly better than De Gea's? He's definitely better on the ball but the end result seems to be him launching it long and it going out or a for throw in or we lose the aerial duel and lose possession. I get the sense teams are happier to not press him and instead focus pressure on the CBs we currently have out there. How is he stacking up in terms of the better passing GKs in the league?
Looking at Onana current season vs DDG last season, the stats per 90 are:
Onana
Attempted Passes: 38.5
Completed Passes: 29.2
Short Passes Complete & Percent Complete: 8.08 passes with 100%
Medium Passes Complete & Percent Complete: 14.5 passes with 97.9%
Long Passes Complete & Percent Complete: 6.38 passes with 42.1%
De Gea
Attempted Passes: 32.1
Completed Passes: 22.8
Short Passes Complete & Percent Complete: 5.24 passes with 100%
Medium Passes Complete & Percent Complete: 10.8 passes with 98.0%
Long Passes Complete & Percent Complete: 6.84 passes with 43.6%
Doesn't look like he's more accurate at all but simply does it more based off this data
That seems to match my impression from viewing the games (admittedly not all of them that Onana has played).
Deliberate, but daft. By inviting pressure you invite...pressure. As a midfielder or forward you play into pressure as that's just how it is, but as a defender the last thing you want to do is to make life harder for yourself and your teammates. The whole idea of a modern keeper is to advance the ball quickly into a promising phase of play that leads to a chance on goal.
If you're protecting a lead then of course you buy precious seconds holding onto the ball. But if it's early in the game and you're looking to create an overload that might lead to a chance on goal the last thing as a keeper you want to do is to give the forward a chance to strip the ball from you, or more likely, put your ball-receiving defenders into a worse position to receive the ball by giving the opposing attacking players more time to close them down before the ball is passed to them. United defenders, even Shaw, are not regarded as brilliant ball playing defenders. Shaw and Martinez are the best of the lot, but Maguire, Lindelof, Dalot and Wan-Bissaka are substandard footballers as far as ball-playing acumen is concerned. Putting them under undue pressure is just fukking stupid and we see them get trapped time and again. What's then left are long balls which isn't the worst thing in the world but not particularly modern either. What saved us yesterday was the remarkable play of a teenager, Kobbie Mainoo, in being able to work out of difficult situations. But nom honest observer of yesterday's match against Everton can argue that we Everton under our thumb. They pressed us effectively and were very much on top of the game through most of the first half. They lost control in the second half, but despite the final score in truth the result could very much have been theirs. No blame can be assigned to Onana for how close the match actually was, but Onana is doing his teammates no favors by being the hero dog with the ball and delivering the pass to his defenders only after the pressure has been organized.
Eh, no. I don’t think anyone thinks of De Zerbi’s tactics as anything other than extremely modern. Pay particular attention to Brighton’s goalkeeper the next time you watch them. You’ll see what I’m talking about.
Commenting on performance vs Everton. For me, It was a 9/10 performance. His shot stopping was 10/10, and his distribution was 8/10.
It was a simply incredible goalkeeping. Any criticism is just simply nitpicking.
It was a simply incredible goalkeeping. Any criticism is just simply nitpicking.
It's basically impossible to see on TV, since typically the fullbacks are high and wide enough that they're literally not on screen when Onana has the ball, so I'm not sure anyone not at Goodison can actually verify if this is true or not. It's not like McNeil and Harrison were pressing high up the pitch so this seems dubious to me.
Watching those comps of Onana passes last year, what stands out is because his team played a 3-5-2, they had 2 physical strikers (Dzeko or Lukaku are big and Lisandro is very strong and can hold it up when the ball is chest level or lower).
We don't set up like that, so all Onana can really do is pass it short most of the time and the benefits you get from his passing are:
1. Less hoofs out of bounds and 2nd balls in our half from rushed clearances.
2. Hope the other team presses up and he can hit some balls over the top like Ederson or Allison do against higher lines.
If the other team isn't pressing high, having a keeper who can really pass settles things down a bit and maybe gives the CBs and DM a better chance to make a good pass through the lines (because they get a better pass), but overall it's far less useful, particularly when Lisandro is out and we're playing a right-footer on the left.
Onana almost had a hockey (pass before the assist) to Mainoo early in the game but he slightly overcooked the pass to Garnacho.
It's for some reason not on this clip:
but there's nothing really wrong here and a good pass to Dalot and a solid one to Rashford too, and as you can see the Everton wingers aren't really even on screen they're so deep and wide, it's Doucoure and Calvert-Lewin vs Onana, Maguire, Lindelof and Mainoo and Onana mostly seems to make the only choice he can while looking for Mainoo whenever he's free (which is preferable to just giving it to a CB).
The scary part of the Onana signing is that he seems pretty average as a shot-stopper (made some good saves lately, but his rebound control is slightly below-average for a Prem keeper and he's not De Gea in terms of miracle saves) and he cost a lot of money, but unless you can sign a top 3 keeper in the world like Liverpool did, or find one for cheap, paying 50M for a very good keeper with presumably 5-6 years left is fine. We need to modernize our football, Onana will help in that regard.
I don't know why people are mad that he takes his time on the ball trying to draw a striker or #10 towards him, that helps the CBs bring the ball out when he passes wide of them, and what's the alternative, he kicks it long. Doing that, hitting a fullback in stride once per half and the DM say twice per half and being able to hit Hojlund consistently when everyone is marked and the pass to a CB isn't on, maybe 4-5 balls over the top to Garnacho, Hojlund or Rashford against a high line over the whole season and another 4 or 5 straight to a #8/#10 like Bruno when the other team leaves a gap, and only say 1 bad passing mistake leading to a goal per season and that's what a top passing keeper looks like to me.
It's a small thing, but Onana coming out to pounce on the ball at 2:35 would have never happened with Dave. Hopefully we'll see more of this proactivity as his confidence and familiarity with the team increases. He looks a lot more agile getting to the ground as well so maybe he came here a bit out of shape? Starting to look good though.
Yeah, thought popped into my head as he was doing it.
De Zerbi is enjoying his moment in the sun and there's nothing wrong with that but Brighton did beat us so there's that. I have no opinion on De Zerbi's tactics other than to note that De Zerbi's squad outperforms to the level of their talent and that United -- going all the way back to Van Gaal to now ten Hag -- underperforms to the level of our talent. Or maybe I overrate our talent. But there is no chance that any Brighton has had players as talented as Pogba, Zlatan, Casemiro or even Rashford and yet De Zerbie squeezes more out of his players than any United since Ferguson did at Old Trafford.
In any event, no one denies that Onana has better command of the ball than De Gea did. Not even close actually. But Onana squanders his natural (or trained, whichever it is) abilities by sitting on the ball rather than quickly distributing it. If it's not on, it's not on and Onana has to wait, but lanes are wide open and passes are on but he sits on the ball far too long and in so doing he allows the opponent to organize their defensive shape, which is fukking daft. We find ourselves under pressure and we lose the ball, which is not a good thing. We can get so much more out of Onana if he made his passes more quickly, creating potential overload situations and this scoring chances. In fact, he's done this on occasion with brilliant effect. There was one pass against Arsenal where he hit Garnacho from 50 yards out and even though the play led to nothing, Garnacho was immediately in the last third with menace. In fact, Arsenal figured out Onana's antics pretty quickly and history records what they did to us in the second half.
It's not always daft to slow play down and invite the pressure but it's not inherently a shrewd tactical move.
Lot of armchair managers here. Modern goal keepers do this all the time, he just needs to know his which teammates to trust and adjust his playstyle. What the point passing to Mctominay when he just passes it right back. Is it goal keeper's fault too?
His goal prevent is also top 3 of the league now after shaky start, on pair with Alisson.
Club desperately in need of modernizing football, when we buy player for that system and it's bad, how? You lots just love to moan.
His goal prevent is also top 3 of the league now after shaky start, on pair with Alisson.
Club desperately in need of modernizing football, when we buy player for that system and it's bad, how? You lots just love to moan.
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you say all that but we spent 50m on him as an upgrade on de gea and as far as i’m aware he’s saved exactly the same amount of orphans from a burning buildings as dave did. 0.
Galatasaray 3:3 Man Utd
ouch
It's not often you can attribute being knocked out of a group stage over 6 games to one player, but I don't think anyone - even neutrals - can argue about Onana's culpability in this tournament. That's how bad he's been.
How many points has he been responsible for us dropping already.
And it’s novmeber
And it’s novmeber
A one man mission to eliminate us from this competition
Christ he is woeful.
Absolute fecking clown.
I've never looked forward to the AFCON as much, and I'm not even going to watch it. Get rid.
Should never play for this club again.
Absolutely. Rest of the team ain’t good enough for the knockouts either, mind.
I'd rather not have a goalkeeper prone to horrific brainfarts, no matter how good he can be. Fecking idiot.
Surely he has to be benched now - he is ruining our season. He is at Taibi-level - at least Ferguson had the balls to stop it after 4 games
Hes been much improved recently, but he has single-handedly cost us what could have been an easy qualification, through costly errors in pretty much every single one of our defeats.
He's probably single handedly cost us 6 points in the Champions League this season.
He's probably single handedly cost us 6 points in the Champions League this season.
He’s entertaining if nothing else.
He's really testing our patience. Fergie would have benched him by now.
Genuinely woeful tonight and has been for all of the CL group games.
Ooft.
That's enough Onana for me. Taibi was booted out the club for less. If he was at City, Pep would throw him out next window.
Has been pretty decent in recent weeks but the two Ziyech goals was shocking. Should never happen at this level
Thing is, he's been a lot better of late but two costly mistakes tonight.
Has to go. Just can't trust him.
Single handedly kicked us out from CL. And all that for just 50 million.
Altay hasn't looked that bad in the last international friendlies...
feck. Off. Please.
The first one was bad, the second one looked like he had genuinely never played in goal before.
Piss poor
Pray to the Gods that Cameroon have a good and long Africa Cup of Nations...
The feck was he thinking not using both hands on that second goal?
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