[Rossa]

Played pretty well today. Good to see him not smashing the ball long the whole time. A big part of our controlled possession football of the first 40 minutes and very quick (and far) off his line when we needed him. Something you would almost never see from DDG.

So, we have Eriksen who is great when we are controlling games, but abysmal when we are struggling in the middle of the park. We also have a goalie that is brilliant when we are controlling the game, but you simply cannot trust him to save shots, which will happen when we face decent opposition. Isn't this a bit of an issue?

Also, haven't you also played as a goalie? What is it with him so often connecting with the ball but seemingly being too weak in the wrists to prevent it going in? It's happened quite a few times this season.

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

There is absolutely 0 chance any blame can be assigned to Onana at that goal. It was a standard save technique. He made himself big and it basically closes the angle. The attacker placed it mostly in the corner. Nothing he could do from that close.

Most of the blame lies with Dalot but I still think Onana could've done better. I've looked at the replay of the goal a few times, I don't think he "made himself big" at all. As the ball reaches him, he's already on the ground, and is not able to get enough power in his wrist to parry the ball away.

You can disagree with me on this and that's fine, but it's happened too many times this season for it to be a coincidence, where he's gone to ground too early and made it easier for the goalscorer, or where he hasn't been able to parry a shot away and it's trickled into the net off his hand.

Look, I really want to like this guy as our goalkeeper because he has other great attributes such as his ball playing, ability to sweep etc. But man, his technique for saving shots just doesn't look right. I'm afraid there's going to be more goals like this conceded by us this season, because in my opinion his technique is not giving himself the best chance to make these saves.

 

[Wilt]

Loves to dive for everything this one.

Spends more time in the air than fecking Superman.

 

[Jund]

Loves to dive for everything this one

Spends more time in the air than fecking Superman

Yeah, what's up with that? Shots that don't require any acrobatics turn into a Cirque du Soleil performance.

 

[YSB99]

That first goal it’s like he dives in slow motion

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

A lot of the goals he lets in aren't out-and-out clangers (although there have been a couple of those) but it's that nagging feeling you get watching him that makes you think, "he could've saved that!"

I really hope the Utd gk coaches can improve this aspect of his game (a kinda important one for a goalkeeper!) but I fear at this stage of his career, these habits might be embedded.

 

[FrankDrebin]

He looks jittery as feck when a ball is crossed in.

 

[tomaldinho1]

People trying to blame him for basically anything these days it seems - the Dalot goal is like 1 metre from him, all he can do is what he did and hope the ball hits him and stays out. I feel like people watch a slo mo sometimes and forget that wasn't the speed at which it actually happened.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

People trying to blame him for basically anything these days it seems - the Dalot goal is like 1 metre from him, all he can do is what he did and hope the ball hits him and stays out. I feel like people watch a slo mo sometimes and forget that wasn't the speed at which it actually happened.

Yep people clearly do that. That being said he’s also clearly not the worlds best shot stopper but he’s nowhere near as bad as made out. Being made another scapegoat in truth.

 

[ZainCRse7en]

He should be saving that first goal ffs. He was diving in slow mo. Have been noticing this of him unfortunately - he always seems to dive a second or two late.

 

[Bole Top]

how ironic is that fans now mostly miss the thing they always took for granted when DDG was here. it's obvious Onana will never give us that. I also don't think he can be blamed for anything that happened yesterday. he'll simply end as this regular transitional keeper in period where we're a bit shit and we also most likely won't improve fast enough to win anything with him in the goal. ETH also most likely won't last long enough to ever see us good enough for Onana's skills to become a significant factor. he is what he is and he's here to stay, meaning we can forget about impossible saves for now.

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

Him paying the guy in our goal makes me really nervous. I know that might not be fair but I cannot help but think we surely would not have lost with de Gea.

 

[chocolate cloud]

we've lost a great shot stopper in De Gea (yes he had his downfalls everywhere else) but Onana is frustrating me with his feebleness on shots.

 

[lex talionis]

One of the arguments in favor of getting rid of De Gea in favor of Onana’s supposedly superior command of the box. On the third goal, yes of course Dalot must be given the last but it really was a ball Onana should have gone out for.

What a shame that in getting rid of De Gea we actually downgraded the keeper position.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

One of the arguments in favor of getting rid of De Gea in favor of Onana’s supposedly superior command of the box. On the third goal, yes of course Dalot must be given the last but it really was a ball Onana should have gone out for.

What a shame that in getting rid of De Gea we actually downgraded the keeper position.

Nah, it was a high looper of a cross. There was no goalkeeper on the planet who could have caught that when it passed him in the middle of the goal, as it was least 10 feet up in the air.

Your last sentence is a nonsense too. Onana's had a pretty poor start to his United career but still hasn't racked anywhere near as many terrible howlers as DDG last season. Everyone's making a huge deal of the time a Bayern player intercepted one of his passes near our box because they scored from it. DDG was making a mistake like that every few games.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

People trying to blame him for basically anything these days it seems - the Dalot goal is like 1 metre from him, all he can do is what he did and hope the ball hits him and stays out. I feel like people watch a slo mo sometimes and forget that wasn't the speed at which it actually happened.

It's so fecking tedious and - as with all the most irrational criticism of players on here - the most out there stuff comes from posters with the most obvous agenda. Those who spent the whole of last season arguing that we should hold onto De Gea (despite many more frequent and more obvious errors than we've seen from Onana so far)

 

[tomaldinho1]

Yep people clearly do that. That being said he’s also clearly not the worlds best shot stopper but he’s nowhere near as bad as made out. Being made another scapegoat in truth.

The funny thing is because we're so open, I bet people start to say he's a great shot stopper in a few weeks. We get peppered every game.

 

[tomaldinho1]

It's so fecking tedious and - as with all the most irrational criticism of players on here - the most out there stuff comes from posters with the most obvous agenda. Those who spent the whole of last season arguing that we should hold onto De Gea (despite many more frequent and more obvious errors than we've seen from Onana so far)

They live in a blissful time of pre 2018 WC De Gea and have willfully forgotten the last few season with us

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The funny thing is because we're so open, I bet people start to say he's a great shot stopper in a few weeks. We get peppered every game.

His save % is currently fourth best in the league at 75% (Vicario #1 @ 79.2%) so you could be onto something. Last season 9 keepers finished with a higher save % than DDG (71.1%). DDD had to make on average 2.6 saves per 90. Onana's had to make 3.7 so far.

 

[gaffs]

His save % is currently fourth best in the league at 75% (Vicario #1 @ 79.2%) so you could be onto something. Last season 9 keepers finished with a higher save % than DDG (71.1%). DDD had to make on average 2.6 saves per 90. Onana's had to make 3.7 so far.

I dont recall any saves that he has made that were beyond the saves a professional goalkeeper would be expected to make.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I dont recall any saves that he has made that were beyond the saves a professional goalkeeper would be expected to make.

I wouldn't expect any professional goalkeeper to regularly make saves beyond those a professional goalkeeper would be expected to make.

He's made two world class saves in his 11 PL games so far. The Haaland header and his one v one save against Fati.

 

[gaffs]

I wouldn't expect any professional goalkeeper to regularly make saves beyond those a professional goalkeeper would be expected to make.

He's made two world class saves in his 11 PL games so far. The Haaland header and his one v one save against Fati.

What i mean, is regulation saves. Most that he has made have been "bread and butter" saves, which pad the stats.

Agree, those two were very good.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

What i mean, is regulation saves. Most that he has made have been "bread and butter" saves, which pad the stats.

Agree, those two were very good.

I know what you mean but that’s not entirely true. Only 6 clubs have conceded more xG than us. So he’s not only facing lots of shots he’s facing shots from players quite close in and central. At the end of last season only 4 clubs had conceded fewer xG than us.

 

[SteveCoppellFan]

You try playing well with that back four ahead of you.

He's been lumbered with the worst defence we have had in years.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

You try playing well with the back four ahead of you.

He's been lumbered with the worst defence we have had in years.

the problem with Onana is he just doesnt seem to have his technique/form down well. Even when he makes saves he is using improper form. Plus he generally seems to be struggling with 1v1s and confidence on that, seems so passive. Also not a fan of his diving, swear he just plops to the side with no proper push.

And with all of this i am in no way saying we should have kept DDG. I know he was making a shit ton of blunders too at the end. But so far we seem to be missing the proper setup in front of Onana to really take advantage of his strengths, which is making his weaknesses all that more noticeable.

 

[gaffs]

I know what you mean but that’s not entirely true. Only 6 clubs have conceded more xG than us. So he’s not only facing lots of shots he’s facing shots from players quite close in and central. At the end of last season only 4 clubs had conceded fewer xG than us.

As you know, xG does not tell the whole story. It includes chances that get blocked by outfield players and good opportunities where the striker may only get a soft, easily savable, shot on target.

Not writing him off, but i think this season so far, he has been a net negative to the team. The mistakes outweigh the outstanding saves.

 

[gaffs]

the problem with Onana is he just doesnt seem to have his technique/form down well. Even when he makes saves he is using improper form. Plus he generally seems to be struggling with 1v1s and confidence on that, seems so passive. Also not a fan of his diving, swear he just plops to the side with no proper push.

And with all of this i am in no way saying we should have kept DDG. I know he was making a shit ton of blunders too at the end. But so far we seem to be missing the proper setup in front of Onana to really take advantage of his strengths, which is making his weaknesses all that more noticeable.

I would agree with this. Schmeichel has called out his technique.

 

[mu4c_20le]

You try playing well with that back four ahead of you.

He's been lumbered with the worst defence we have had in years.

We've exposed him. He's never had to work this hard his entire life.

 

[lex talionis]

Nah, it was a high looper of a cross. There was no goalkeeper on the planet who could have caught that when it passed him in the middle of the goal, as it was least 10 feet up in the air.

Your last sentence is a nonsense too. Onana's had a pretty poor start to his United career but still hasn't racked anywhere near as many terrible howlers as DDG last season. Everyone's making a huge deal of the time a Bayern player intercepted one of his passes near our box because they scored from it. DDG was making a mistake like that every few games.

I'm not having that. De Gea would never have come out for that ball, but a keeper famed for having a command of the box would have easily been able to punch it away.

Onana has already equalled the De Gea's howler count of last season, but I will grant you that any new keeper at Old Trafford would start out a bit wobbly, and I'll also grant you that three seasons ago De Gea had a number of howlers as well, and of course who can forget his forgettable performance for Spain at the World Cup? For many it was time to "get rid" of De Gea, but there is no plausible argument whatsoever we upgraded the keeper position. Maybe in time, but at the very most generous way of putting we've taken a side step at keeper, not a step forward.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I'm not having that. De Gea would never have come out for that ball, but a keeper famed for having a command of the box would have easily been able to punch it away.

Onana has already equalled the De Gea's howler count of last season, but I will grant you that any new keeper at Old Trafford would start out a bit wobbly, and I'll also grant you that three seasons ago De Gea had a number of howlers as well, and of course who can forget his forgettable performance for Spain at the World Cup? For many it was time to "get rid" of De Gea, but there is no plausible argument whatsoever we upgraded the keeper position. Maybe in time, but at the very most generous way of putting we've taken a side step at keeper, not a step forward.

Not even close. More like he’s equalled De Gea’s howler count from the first two games of last season.

 

[lex talionis]

Not even close. More like he’s equalled De Gea’s howler count from the first two games of last season.

Onana has committed at least four howlers and we're not even one third through the season. And remember that Onana was considered an actual upgrade, a proven keeper, not one for the future as Hojlund is rightly considered.

As a shot stopper, Onana is nowhere close to De Gea's class and no one argued otherwise. What we were supposed to get with Onana was not only his ball-playing skills, which is fair to say has been established as fact, but also his command of the box, which to date has been proven to be not the case. We'll see about the rest of the season, but as of right now it cannot be argued that Onana has demonstrated command of the box and it cannot be argued in any way that Onana is even the equal of De Gea as a shot stopper. But in terms of fancy footwork, Onana > De Gea.

 

[Litch]

....the biggest issue for many on here is hes not DDG, irrespective of what he does.

 

[sebsheep]

Onana has committed at least four howlers and we're not even one third through the season

What are you counting as a howler here?

 

[dcrompton]

We have a right winger without a right foot, a number 10 who can’t keep the ball, and now a keeper who can’t make saves

 

[USREDEVIL]

We have a right winger without a right foot, a number 10 who can’t keep the ball, and now a keeper who can’t make saves

Old Trafford: The land of misfit players.

 

[Red in STL]

We have a right winger without a right foot, a number 10 who can’t keep the ball, and now a keeper who can’t make saves

TBF playing football without a right foot must be hard, keeping your balance and running fast is difficult, no wonder he always looks mad at something

 

[Mercurial]

We have a right winger without a right foot, a number 10 who can’t keep the ball, and now a keeper who can’t make saves

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is King.

 

[Reapersoul20]

Been shite so far. Slowly improving. Hopefully.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

we've lost a great shot stopper in De Gea (yes he had his downfalls everywhere else) but Onana is frustrating me with his feebleness on shots.

de Gea is not a great shot stopper anymore. That part of his game has been on decline for a number of years now.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

We have a right winger without a right foot, a number 10 who can’t keep the ball, and now a keeper who can’t make saves

His save % is 4th best in the league (and 4% better than DDG last season) He had a shocker against Bayern but if the rest of the team’s weakest attributes compared as well as Onana’s does to his peers at other clubs then we’d be a lot better off in the league than we are now.