Absolutely not.
There's a few notable exceptions. A couple of them just posted in this thread.
Absolutely not.
There's a few notable exceptions. A couple of them just posted in this thread.
I said to you, Anderson is a crucial component of our midfield.. he would be vital.. just as much as Carrick/Fletcher if we wanted to be serious contenders for the title. You laughed it off and said Gibson etc would have more of an impact (who incidentally I quite like as a player). You've always refused to rate him and continously underplay his achievements.
Then I remember saying after the Liverpool game, it wasn't Lucas playing great it was a poor midfield selection by us. By putting little to no real pressure on their midfield they were allowed to string passes and acquire great pass completion rates. I said we need faster mobile legs in midfield.. but you said it was merely an off-day and that on another day we would have beat them.
Luckily Fergie has more sense and is prepared to make changes and adapt rather than put it down to players merely having an off day.
The team we had today would cream liverpool and make Lucas seem like the average player he is. Teenage muppet indeed, more like stubborn middle aged muppet who refuses to let go of the past and treat every player objectively rather than have an agenda.
No, no I didn't say anything of the sort.
If you'd actually read the fecking thread you'd know that. Not reading the thread you're posting in is a really annoying habit.
It's not all about this thread mate, I'm referring to your posts in other threads where any mention of the name Anderson makes your blood boil. You seem to think I'm a typical teenage Anderson fanboy which is simply not true..I didn't even think he was MOTM for instance despite many people creaming themselves over his performance.
Heh, oh aye you're all for objectivity.
Aye indeed I am.
Just thought I'd resurrect this thread for the coming season. It makes interesting reading and I'd love to know if any of you would still confidently say that Anderson wins this one?
He should do. If he wants to work hard then he has plenty more in his locker.
I'd know which one I would want in my squad if I was challenging for a title.
I'd know which one I would want in my squad if I was challenging for a title.
I know which rather i'd want in my squad and its not lucas. Andersons home form was fantastic and if he can match it away, then Lucas isn't close. I'm actually a bit bemused none of the Da Silvas nor Anderson were picked for Copa. No doubt they would have made Brazil better then they showed.
More confident than I was a year ago, that's for sure.
If the question is still who's the better talent then the answer will never change.
My 1 and only post in this thread is still very much applicable today:
I don't understand the sudden Lucas ********. He didn't even play that well on Sunday. He did alright, probably the best I've seen him play but that's not saying much. It's not like you can call him a big game player either, like Fletch was for us, because he was absolute tripe against Chelsea. All he did yesterday was foul, he committed SIX in fact and should have been booked. He did a good job at breaking up our play but as i say, had he been booked when he should have been he wouldn't have been able to harass like he did.
He probably has received criticism that has been unfair over the last 12 months but it's only the exaggerated criticism that has been unfair. The reason he was criticised still remains though, because he's not good enough. Not even close.
As for a debate between him or Anderson, even though they aren't even similar in style, i'd have Anderson every time. Purely because Anderson has turned in several top top drawer performances in amongst his utter utter shit ones which give me hope that it's just consistency that is required.
This forum confuses me. United fans get slagged for over hyping their players and here we are, for some reason, bigging up an average player from our biggest enemy.
They both aren't special at this moment in time.
For the Scouse, Lucas is surely nothing to brag about.
For the Scouse, Lucas is surely nothing to brag about.
Christ, didn't see that one coming. Seriously? Still defending Anderson? I'm surprised he's still there to be honest.
No the question is who's the better footballer? Anderson may have some talent, (yet to be seen by anyone outside of Manchester) but there is certainly something holding him back.
Because it's true?
Haha, if you say so.
If you honestly believe Anderson is a better player you have serious dillusions (sic)
Honestly
Honestly
You're embarrassingly wrong about him, I don't really know how to show this...just wait. It took a full season for Lucas to prove himself to you, I'd imagine it'll take the same for Anderson, and the only way Lucas got this is by an important midfielder leaving. Also, he was around the same age as Anderson is now when you were finally convinced by Lucas.
We'll see if Anderson follows a similar path. No matter what career path he follows he'll show himself to be a better footballer, I don't doubt it for a second.
"I'm not saying Lucas is better than Anderson or that Anderson is better than Lucas. It's a pointless opinion."...and then you re-open the debate. Strange.
I'm not even getting into a daft arguement. It's as clear as day and will only be made clearer in the future.
If you're happy in your own little World believing such obvious untruths though then so be it. Whatever keeps Merseyside ticking I guess...
When Lucas came over at first he was so bad that he was criticised extremely heavily by rival, and Liverpool fans alike. Now that he's improved and become a reliable player, it appears any Liverpool fan goes mental over him just to make sure everybody knows that he's not as bad as he was.
He's still an average player though, and is nothing more than reliable, he never does anything that you go 'wow, he's got ability' or anything that's going to change a game. Whenever I watch him I still see an extremely limited player, but now he's found his place in the side and can perform decently. That's it though, decent, he's not as good as Anderson, who is a far more talented player, capable of much more.
He's still an average player though, and is nothing more than reliable, he never does anything that you go 'wow, he's got ability' or anything that's going to change a game. Whenever I watch him I still see an extremely limited player, but now he's found his place in the side and can perform decently. That's it though, decent, he's not as good as Anderson, who is a far more talented player, capable of much more.
I'd have Lucas on the basis that he's played at a consistently higher level than Anderson for 2 years now. For a forum that's so keen to take the mickey out of Arsenal's youngsters that supposedly are always youngsters, it's bizarre Anderson is defended so heavily here. He joined for a massive fee, he's done very little of note.
What does this mean, what are you expecting him to do?
Nail down a first team spot? Is that too much to ask for?
He will this season.
Scholes didn't nail down a first team spot until he was 23. Anderson is now 23.
Different levels of competition. Chalk and cheese.
Surely this season is make-or-break for him, especially if United don't sign another midfielder this window.
Anderson is trying to break into a very sucessful side, that's far from easy.
Slim pickings at Liverpool at the moment. They have to get their 'better than Man United' victories in whenever and wherever they can.
You know things are bad when they're having to use Lucas as their poster boy.
He's trying to displace a 38 year old winger in centre-midfield, and he can't do it. If I were SAF, I'd cut my losses and get rid. Always willing for a player to prove me wrong though.
Yeah, except that 38 year old is Ryan Giggs.
You really believe Giggs is playing well enough at this stage in his career to displace someone supposed to be worth £20m at 23 years old. God.
Lucas' lack of ability and form in his early career at Anfield has cost Liverpool far more than Anderson's lack of progress, has cost United. I think we will get an answer to this question this season one way or the other.
Last season he did actually.
That is Gigg's other name, well that and goggs
I think he's going to have responsibility thrust upon him this season. There's no way Ferguson will be looking to rely on Giggs as much as the last few seasons too, and now with Scholes retired someone needs to step up to the plate.
Carrick and Fletcher won't carry United's midfield, Anderson arguably has the potential too though and (personally) I think it's now or never for him.
Carrick and Fletcher won't carry United's midfield, Anderson arguably has the potential too though and (personally) I think it's now or never for him.
Erm... Yes? Isn't that obvious?
Fergie rotates enough that no one player keeps any other out but if Giggs wasn't still capable of playing better than the vast majority of creative central midfielders in the league - even at 38 - chances are Anderson would have started more games.
Tomorrow's lesson. Where bears are most likely to shit.
Funny, not quite the same situation but I remember lots of rival fans telling us we should do the same with Ronaldo and Nani when they struggled in their first few seasons.
Weird how you all seem to do that. Thanks for the kind 'advice' over the years though.