Potentially, aye.
Potentially, aye.
Lucas showed a lot of quality today, Newcastle were awful but Liverpool did play very well and Lucas was a top performer. He looks more confident now, he is obviously very talented and still only 21.
That is without a doubt his best league game in a Liverpool shirt and he is definitely showing signs of improvement/settling. On another day, with another keeper he could have had a hat-trick. But one game does not prove anything. More of the same please Lucas.
Lucas played great for Liverpool.
That pass for Gerrard's second was obscene.
Still, nothing we haven't seen Anderson pull off on a regular basis.
Still, nothing we haven't seen Anderson pull off on a regular basis.
I love it when you have a go, even if it's against me I can't get my head around all this "youth speak" of today.
I believe "sick" nows means good and from your post "obscene" must also mean good.
What's with the opposites?
I believe "sick" nows means good and from your post "obscene" must also mean good.
What's with the opposites?
But back to topic.
As Pogue has already mentioned I think he proves in training that he is able to shoot and score, otherwise his teammates wouldnt let him take those freekicks from time to time.
But tbh if he keeps on settin up goals in such a beautiful manner it's not my biggest concern whether he scores or not.
Nevertheless I would scream like a little girl if he does and probably have a nice feck with my girlfriend thinkin about the goal
As Pogue has already mentioned I think he proves in training that he is able to shoot and score, otherwise his teammates wouldnt let him take those freekicks from time to time.
But tbh if he keeps on settin up goals in such a beautiful manner it's not my biggest concern whether he scores or not.
Nevertheless I would scream like a little girl if he does and probably have a nice feck with my girlfriend thinkin about the goal
The jinx must have been broken by now then, terrible performance by Lucas today.
Alonso was badly missed.
feck; I wanted to bump this.
Lucas was awful, couldn't do anything right at all.
Same for Mascherano, he's been much worse this season than last.
Anderson just needs goals in his game and then there will be no questions asked any more.
Anderson is so much better it isnt even funny
Lucas just seems to get worse.
United's best player today, that Lucas.
Yeah and we had Manucho playing tonight as well
He is possibly one of the worst passers I have seen in the PL.
Every one tonight was wayward, great buy Rafa
Every one tonight was wayward, great buy Rafa
Does this guy have a permanently-attached trailing leg?
I cannot believe that this subject was ever up for discussion
Ah well at least it aint now
Ah well at least it aint now
Technically, there on the same level.
Andersons a better athlete. Therefore the better player.
Andersons a better athlete. Therefore the better player.
Technically, Anderson's better.
Physically, Anderson's much better.
Lucas just knows when to play the safer option, Anderson still doesn't really yet. It'll come with time.
Anderson has a lot of scope for real improvement, Lucas has scope for some improvement but he's already pretty mature on every level.
Anderson is not technically better. Hes done nothing to prove it.
Your last sentence does not make sense.
Your last sentence does not make sense.
Except show his technique manys-a-time, of course.
Lucas is physically mature, technically mature although to a lesser extent and mentally mature, in that his decision-making and awareness already seems to be at the same level as his technique. Less scope for improvement, although still some.
Anderson on the other hand is far from mature in the latter, his technique and physique are already a level or two above his decision-making and the like.
In other words, he has more scope for improvement.
Some younger players just mature early, and I think Lucas is already pretty mature. Still needs to get used to the league and find his role in the team though, which will help.
His stance on football in general is way past that stage by now.
And in this thread lies Pogues credibility.
May it rest in peace.
May it rest in peace.
So you think that the only thing that seperates the two is physicality?
Lucas only knows how to play the safe option.
I'm not sure which is better - able to try and play a difficult pass but fail occasionally, or not try at all.
Yeah, probably. He played a nice pass for Gerrard against Newcastle though.
He's their Darren Fletcher, but not as good yet because he's a few years behind.
Good to have players like him around.
They've both been poor this season from what I've seen. Anderson seems to have bags more potential though. Lucas appears simply to be a midfielder who can pass to people on his team. A bit like every other half decent midfielder, anywhere, in the world. ever.
Anderson has a turn of pace, good strength, and can beat a man, but doesn't seem to have figured out what he's supposed to do afterwards yet.
Anderson has a turn of pace, good strength, and can beat a man, but doesn't seem to have figured out what he's supposed to do afterwards yet.
Shoot!
He can't shoot, and all too frequently this season, he can't pass either.
Hopefully just an age thing
Hopefully just an age thing
Newcastle were shocking, some other player made the exact same pass to release Lucas a little later in the game, like shooting fish in a barrel
I'm bumping this mainly to refresh my jinx but also to point out Lucas - the dirty, yet bizarrely unbookable, wee shit - has played a massive part in owning our central midfield the last two times he came up against us.
He's no Alonso - and Liverpool will continue to rue the loss of his creativity and range of passing - but he's industrious, aggressive, reliable with his passing, has a fantastic engine and supports the strikers as effectively as he tracks back to help his defence. You could definitely make a case for him being a more natural replacement for Fletcher - badly missed AGAIN yesterday - than anyone in our current squad.
He's no Alonso - and Liverpool will continue to rue the loss of his creativity and range of passing - but he's industrious, aggressive, reliable with his passing, has a fantastic engine and supports the strikers as effectively as he tracks back to help his defence. You could definitely make a case for him being a more natural replacement for Fletcher - badly missed AGAIN yesterday - than anyone in our current squad.
Lucas is good at what he's expected, pressure players and make Liverpool click.Like you said what impresses me the most when I compare with Anderson it's his incredible stamina levels.
You got the first bit right. He's a dirty little fecker who had free reign on our midfield. He raised his game big style against us, much like their team in general, but on the whole, he's been a bit shite this year. Fletcher was badly missed, no doubt. He's been missing in each of our last 3 defeats to them (twice injured, once unused sub wtf) and you can tell.
I could be wrong but I'm fairly sure Fletcher's been absent from every single one of our big four defeats over the last two seasons and present for every victory. With Hargreaves perma-crocked we're crying out for some energy, grit and determination in midfield and of the two players discussed in this thread it's Lucas who would be better able to provide it.
I still think Anderson will eventually become the better player but he's not there yet and Lucas is already a better player than most people in this thread were willing to admit.
I still think Anderson will eventually become the better player but he's not there yet and Lucas is already a better player than most people in this thread were willing to admit.
If you're saying we needed someone in there to foul and break up play, then yes he would have been a better option. But then, even Nicky Butt (current Newcastle version) would have given the midfield more bite yesterday. Still would've liked Anderson to start. He was in decent form, and him and Carrick weren't exactly trampled over against Wolfsburg.
Well said Pogue. I think Lucas gets a hard time from all fans including our own. He deserves a mention after yesterdays game although I agree with most he is not the replacement for Alonso, hopefully Aquilani will be. But as a squad player he gets my vote. Just to pick up on Kraftwerker point that he has been a bit shite this year, he hasn't. He has actually been one of our batter players in a period when the whole team has been shit but he is the current scapegoat of choice.
I like him. Hopefully he can kick on from this. It's a big season for him.
I like him. Hopefully he can kick on from this. It's a big season for him.