Exactly. It's not as if they're even the same kind of player. Or are they? I give up.
Hell no ,every performances with the brazilian national team Anderson's done were most of the time really dissapointing. I couldn't recognize the player and the olympic just highlighted it that's all, right now Lucas has done better than Anderson for Brazil whenever they were given the chance to play.
Neither have been good for Brazil.
Anderson's been better so far for us than Lucas has for Liverpool.
Internationals mean bollocks all these days.
All things considered Anderson is currently the better player and has shown that cine they both moved to England.
Partly because Anderson's been stuffed into defensive midfield roles for Brazil, which is more of Lucas's position...
Don't get me wrong, for me it's clear Anderson is a superior player to Lucas but what I meant about the national teams was right regarding the position in which they've played. You can't use the "not playing in the right position" as an excuse at times though, do your best whenever you're given a chance and Anderson looked lazy and out of source for Brazil (in the matches I've watched him anyway).
As you said Brwned,international footie means nothing concerning the real value of the player and I agree with you but sometimes whenever one tries to criticize/reflect on his own players ,he gets flammed.
I hope you guys understand my point.
"Atm I think Lucas is ahead of Anderson, especially when it comes to playing for their country."
When you say 'especially', it implies that he's also marginally better than him in other areas too i.e. when playing for their clubs, and a lot better for their International team. That's how it comes across.
Instead of just saying 'he's been better for Brazil', which is the simpler way of doing it and is true.
Of course it doesn't make excuses. But Anderson occasionally looks out of his depth in central midfield, let alone defensive midfield! But that's nothing to do with his effort or whatever - he simply doesn't know how to play there.
You don't compare Ronaldo and Ca$hley and say that Ronaldo is rubbish at defending, so Ca$hley is better.
I'd think Lucas would look rather stupid in attacking midfield, while Anderson would flourish there as that's his natural position.
his French
It's the translation from french to english , it's a mistake from me and I apologise to the confusion created. I didn't mean it like proper english speakers would understand.
By "specially" I meant something like "only" but I'm just realising the real sense now
ps: the caf helps me on my english
brwned
sorry kouroux I found the whole lost in translation thing quite funny
No "sorry" ,I deserve to be laughed at and I'm laughing at myself right now.
It's the translation from french to english , it's a mistake from me and I apologise to the confusion created. I didn't mean it like proper english speakers would understand.
By "specially" I meant something like "only" but I'm just realising the real sense now
ps: the caf helps me on my english
No bother lad, your English is almost always spot on so it's more than alright to make a mistake every now and then.
Just trying to point out where the misunderstanding came from.
What a fecking load of shit anderson is far fecking better lucas leiva. To compare the two is ridiculous
To be fair it was made last season in December when we hadn't seen that much of either of them.
I think its fair to say Anderson is the better player hands down. Lucas just seems like a squad player, nothing special at all, bad in the air, hit and miss passing, hit and miss tackling.
I think it's been fair to say that for a while now.
Don't think Lucas is as bad as he's shown, but he's never hit the heights that Anderson has.
Don't think Lucas is as bad as he's shown, but he's never hit the heights that Anderson has.
In other words: You can see who's been signed by Ferguson and who's been signed by Rafa.
Anderson costing 3 times as much might have as much to do it.
Lucas was bought as 4th choice for a squad player fee with the potential to become a good player. he's been ok[-ish] as 4th choice, been improving this season although hardly looks like first choice material for any foreseeable future.
Anderson was bought as Scholes' eventual replacement for big money. Looks some way off getting there for the foreseeable future himself.
I think the point is though, that Anderson has also failed to hit the heights expected of him. Yes of course he is currenlty a double holder but he just so happens to be past of a team good enough to win these competitions. He has a long way to go to be near the standard expected from him or even given to by some on here.
What are these "heights" you talk of?
£18m high.
Meh. We've signed lots of players who take a few seasons to justify their price-tags but they almost always do in the end. Anderson will look cheap at the price in another couple of years, of that I'm certain.
With regards to Lucas vs Anderson, I would say they were similarly hyped by respective fans of their new clubs, even though their transfer fees weren't very similar - how much did Lucas costs anyway?
Based on how they've done so far, for their respective clubs, I would say Anderson has come closer to living up to his hype than Lucas has. I would also say, with some confidence, that Anderson will go on to be the better player of the two.
He is, however, over-rated in this place, just like Lucas is under-rated. But hey, this is website populated mainly by fans of MUFC, so that's to be expected.
Maybe.
I don't think any reasonable fans had high expectations of him though, I'd barely heard of him and wasn't expecting too much in all honesty.
He did have a very impressive first season, you might not see it that way but from every United fans' perspective he impressed. Showed signs of ability, resilience and a perfect blend of attitude and style that endeared him to the fans.
All of which Lucas hasn't done.
I've heard a few Liverpool fans questioning if he's even good enough to be at Liverpool. I think that seems a bit harsh but I've not seen as much of him as any Liverpool fan I'm sure, so what's your impression of him?
I'm not knocked out by him either to be honest. I don't see what his main strength is so I am not knocking the Lucas douobters. I just don't see it with Anderson yet either. I'm not saying he won't get there, just that in my opinion and yours it seems, he has a way to go yet.
I was actually very impressed with Lucas in their last CL game and he did well against 'Arse, IMO. He was also superb in a reserve game against us last season, the best player on the pitch. Funnily enough, all away games.
A lot of his "problems" this season could be attributed to a loss of confidence, after his own fans turning on him (chanting about Alonso or audibly gasping every time he misplaces a pass) He is clearly a talented young footballer though. Seems to pose considerably more of a goal-threat than Anderson, that's for sure.
A lot of his "problems" this season could be attributed to a loss of confidence, after his own fans turning on him (chanting about Alonso or audibly gasping every time he misplaces a pass) He is clearly a talented young footballer though. Seems to pose considerably more of a goal-threat than Anderson, that's for sure.
I've seen enough of Anderson to say the kid has a HUGE amount of potential.
Although it's only potential at the moment.
Although it's only potential at the moment.
Bit less than 6m I think.
I think he's a very unassuming player, who has got all the tools to be a very good midfielder but lacks the glue for it all to really come together at this point. He has good decisionmaking and distribution, movement, decent vision, fairly good passing range, decent tackler and generally does an alright job of knitting things together.
What he lacks is the ability to have a decisive impact on games now and then with some good through balls, or a strong run or nap a good goal. And in addition to that, as with many young players cut down on the errors and generally just impose himself a bit more on the game. If he keeps developing, I think he'll get there and end up as a Mr Reliable kind of midfielder who won't steal the headlines but will do an excellent job of being the glue in midfield that holds things together.
For now, he's been a mix of poor and decent enough to fill in, although we're getting less of the poor games and he is beginning to show he can do more than just fill a gap when needed. He has shown he can hold his own in good company in some big games for us (most notably Inter), although not quite ready to lead a midfield yet, without someone better and more experienced alongside him (league cup in the like). Overall, decent buy I think. Wouldn't surprise me if he went elsewhere in a few years as he is only 4th choice and it's hard to see him getting better than three ahead of him, but I think he'll be genuine quality 5 years down the line.
I'm definitely not one of the ones who is getting overwhelmed by Anderson's ability, I always see flaws in young players games and that worries me.
Playing with Anderson in the team, be it with Carrick, Hargreaves or Fletcher, makes us significantly more open at the back.
It'll come with experience though.
I'm surprised so few opposition fans are impressed by Anderson, he seems the sort of player that can impress fans in an instant with flashes of brilliance and he has done that a number of times.
Lucas is an all rounder, that just gives him more scope for improvement though. He has a wide array of talents and so he'll be able to improve each of those talents. Better to be average at those talents to not have them at all, you know?
I don't see any significant weaknesses in Lucas' game which is definitely a good thing for a young player.
I see plenty.
Someone posted some stats that our defensive record is much better when Anderson plays, we've also scored more goals.
Can't remember who posted it or which thread it was in though which is a bit of a shitter.
Yep seem like you have a similar opinion of him to me.
You need to have players like him though, a Mr. Reliable is often vital to title winning teams and he could become that in time. I mean, obviously not at Liverpool because they'll never win a title again, but once he moves on to a properly big club he might.
His overall intelligence in the game is something I find impressive. Able to know how, and when, to pick out the simple pass according to the tempo of the game.
That stat's probably misleading, though, seeing as he hasn't got the nod for any of our tougher games this season.
Such as?
Nah those stats are accurate and reliable, I remember seeing them last season as well.
It's a fact that we are better in terms of goals scored and conceded with him in the team.
Doesn't stop me from thinking our team is more open right through the middle when he plays.