No but some are born with more than others. He clearly has natural talent. Take Roy Keane for instance. He did not have much natural talent. He was still playing in Ireland at 19. He did what he did in his career from hard work alone. Countless hours carrying up and down kegs to build up his legs, etc. Anderson really just has absolutely no work ethic. It's disappointing.
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No but some are born with more than others. He clearly has natural talent. Take Roy Keane for instance. He did not have much natural talent. He was still playing in Ireland at 19. He did what he did in his career from hard work alone. Countless hours carrying up and down kegs to build up his legs, etc. Anderson really just has absolutely no work ethic. It's disappointing.
If you are injured, surely it's your job to keep fit regardless? As a professional footballer, when injured you obviously can't play ball as usual. But there is nothing stopping you hitting the gym and eating right to keep yourself in shape. Some injuries prevent all training but they don't happen too often. You can still eat properly regardless. I think if you are being paid a fortune and it's your job, there is no excuse not to keep yourself in shape.
The fact that we kept him for so long does make me feel oddly better about his departure. It's been frustrating at times, and I know a lot of people will say that we should have got rid sooner, but at least this way I feel like the club has thoroughly fulfilled its own responsibilities. There's nothing knee-jerk or short-termist about the decision. We bought a young player, he had trouble with injuries and with adapting to the team, but we gave him as long as any club could reasonably be expected to give before deciding that it was time to move him on.
It's like a much less extreme version of giving Moyes another year (which is something I'm glad we didn't do, just to be clear.) Yes, it irked at the time and it's probably cost us in a number of ways, but I think it says something good about the club that we stuck with Anderson for so long. It's the opposite of the City approach of buying a player one summer, trying them out, and replacing them with another one the very next summer if they're not an immediate success.
It's like a much less extreme version of giving Moyes another year (which is something I'm glad we didn't do, just to be clear.) Yes, it irked at the time and it's probably cost us in a number of ways, but I think it says something good about the club that we stuck with Anderson for so long. It's the opposite of the City approach of buying a player one summer, trying them out, and replacing them with another one the very next summer if they're not an immediate success.
More likely nobody would buy him.
Well there's that too. Although there've never really been rumours of us putting him on the market. Because after all, there's always someone who'll buy anyone. It's not as if we're the sort of club who cares about getting good money for our rejects.Agreed. Likewise Chelsea, selling Matic and buying him back again.
In fairness, even though I had high hopes when he came and he remained one of my favourite players, and I was always happy to see him on the pitch, I think Fergie stuck with Ando a little too long.
In fairness, even though I had high hopes when he came and he remained one of my favourite players, and I was always happy to see him on the pitch, I think Fergie stuck with Ando a little too long.
Feel the same way. Just wonder if he might be a van Gaal type of player (if he could be motivated to do the work). Good touch, quick, carries the ball well.
But he's gone so badly downhill over the last couple of seasons you could very easily buy someone just as good at those things without even spending that much money. Van Gaal or not, I think he's definitely gone this time.
In fairness, even though I had high hopes when he came and he remained one of my favourite players, and I was always happy to see him on the pitch, I think Fergie stuck with Ando a little too long.
Yeah you're definitely right, but as I say I prefer too much patience with players to too little.
His contract never expires
Actually, you're probably completely wrong on this point. Often times the most naturally talented athletes wash out. It's not a stretch to understand why. They are always just better than anyone else when they are coming up in the youth leagues. This natural talent continues. They don't have to work at it any more than to show up to practice and games.
Eventually they reach a level where just coasting on natural talent isn't enough. The problem then is they are young men and have never had the work ethic required to maximize their performance instilled in them. It's difficult to develop this out of the blue.
Hard work beats talent when talent refuses to work hard. One of my favourite sayings and it is absolutely true.
We probably spent less buying Matic twice than you did buying Anderson once, if you take into account 7 years of wages and catering costs.
Define natural talent though. He wasn't born a good footballer. At some point, even if at a very early age, he worked harder than his peers to be better than them at that point in time. I concede your point if you mean simple genetics, e.g. Rooney being stronger than other people age 16 due to his natural build
Well strength at a young age and speed were two of the things that made Anderson stand out at Gremio/Porto
I reckon we offer him £1000p/w to just joke around and keep morale up in the dressing room and take photos on instagram.
Nowhere near imo. Its a shame he wasnt a more dedicated footballer but there are so many other examples.....
http://www.mattbradleysoccerscout.com/adrian-doherty---a-tribute.html
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That's sort of my point. I don't know how he would have turned out if he wasn't always injured but I imagine his growth wouldn't have been massive (pun not intended) because he doesn't seem to have the professional attitude for it. At the risk of sounding stereotypical, it's very Brazilian of him. Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Robinho and many more are the same way.
I love him, but I don't think I can wait on him to come good any longer.
I have no sympathy for him. I don't care about his personality. It's clear that it wasn't just injuries that held him back. Fergie indulged him for far too long.
This is sure
No more than Nani.....
Clearly more than Nani. We've got way more benefit out of Nani over their careers.
You mean the Paulo Ferreira deal.
Deserves one more chance at United. I think next season could really be his year under Van Gaal.
Bite?
Bite?
Definitely wasn't rash to loan him out and start the process to move him on. I know he had his struggles with injury, but we can all say he just didn't do his part. If he couldn't force his way into the midfield at this ebb, when would he ever? Time to go. Shame, though. He had the makings of a much, much better player than he turned out to be.
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No player has ever had so many chances and done so little with them. Get. Rid.
I can't think of anything he has improved on over the 7 years at the club. Sadly, this is the way it goes for some players. I'm pretty sure he'll be part of the clear out.
What now for Ando? Seems Fiorentina aren't keen on buying him - and who can blame them? His injury problems seemingly won't go away and he's hardly started for them.
Can't help but feeling sorry for the poor bastard.
Can't help but feeling sorry for the poor bastard.
When does his contract run out? Surely United won't have him back for season no. 8. Give him away on a free to some lesser side in Brazil or Portugal? Possibly pound for pound the worst signing of the Fergie era, although that judgement is with the benefit of hindsight as he was regarded as hugely promising as a teenager.
He'd be right up there. The actual fee is much higher than you'd think too. Someone once posted a link to the end of year accounts of the club we signed him from and it was way higher than the fee reported by most UK papers.
I thought we paid a fee for Ando & 1 Other (Nani I think), so haven't seen it split out, what figures are said to have been paid for Ando alone?
Anderson was something like €30 million, wasn't he?
Anyway, he most certainly doesn't deserve another chance. Sell.
Anyway, he most certainly doesn't deserve another chance. Sell.
Please don't let this excuse of a footballer grace a United shirt again. Like one of those turds that will not flush away.
Porto released the fee, it was €30m, Nani was €14m or something.
I have seen a similar figure. I suppose it was slightly less in sterling terms back in 2007 but it is still shocking. The Fabregas song, the argument that he had all the skills in his locker to become a top class CM....Now he'd be lucky to get an offer from PL basement dwellers.
From memory Anderson was > 30m and Nani was in the mid 20s. Both fees in €.
They were hyped up as replacements for Giggs and Scholes, with fees that reflect those expectations. The fact they're so far below the level of the players they were intended to replace is one of the main reasons we're in such a pickle right now.
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/manchester-united-transfers.html
Not sure how official it was, but if the fee was undisclosed...
They have it at £15 million for Anderson and £13.5 for Nani
Not sure how official it was, but if the fee was undisclosed...
They have it at £15 million for Anderson and £13.5 for Nani
I clearly remember it as £ 14 million for Nani and £ 17 million for Anderson (+ the big story was that Mendes pocketed 3 million).
It probably deserves a separate thread but the only big money signing of a young player that has definitely worked since 2007 is David de Gea. Jones might still come good (as might Smalling if you regard his signing as big money) but both still have a lot to prove and are currently a long way short of the men they are replacing. In fact, factoring in Berbatov, Hargreaves, Young and Fellaini, it's a pretty grim picture. RVP gave one great season before sinking into the Moyes morass last year (he may come again/stay fit next year), Kagawa has underwhelmed in his 2 years here, whatever the mitigating factors, while Mata should come good (we hope) after a difficult start. All in all, maybe our late, unlamented manager did have a point when he described the scouting system as not fit for purpose.
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