Chalk it up as another case of 'we know too much'. Hearing all the little details makes you further emotionally invested in the 'saga'.
Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!
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That's what I thought from the start. If United had not sent reps down and there were reports that we had, surely someone would have picked up on this and called the media? I reckon the three amigos were pawns in this too. It appears they went there in good faith, but were shafted by MUFC.
Regarding the buyout clause....this would be written in a contract. Why would United seem to be surprised at this? Wouldn't this be the first thing Bilbao would alert them to?
As everyone is saying, this is a clusterfeck.
This episode has made me ashamed of United.
What it tells me, is that we didn't have the money for both him and Fellaini - and of course, Moyes chose Fellaini instead. If the Fellaini deal appeared to be on the brink of collapse, we would have sanctioned the Herrera deal.
Either way, it's clear we are not major league if we can't back our new manager with £55m to get the two players he wanted.
What it tells me, is that we didn't have the money for both him and Fellaini - and of course, Moyes chose Fellaini instead. If the Fellaini deal appeared to be on the brink of collapse, we would have sanctioned the Herrera deal.
Either way, it's clear we are not major league if we can't back our new manager with £55m to get the two players he wanted.
Imagine, being certain of a move to one of the biggest clubs in the world only to realise after a bit that it's off, and your clubs supporters pretty much hate you now. feck.
So who compared him to iniesta then?
Apparently, United have said that the 3 amigos were not acting on their authority, according to Twitter.
Can someone confirm if we have made some reply on this issue?
Can someone confirm if we have made some reply on this issue?
Ha, what kind of "argument" is it that revolves around people choosing which piece of gossip matches their own biases.
United and Bilbao did not agree a price for a player. End of story. You can argue over how United should be spending more money. Perfectly valid arguments there. But going apeshit because the "poor little" player was let down by big bad United is for kids.
Bilbao hate United now 
It says it all that one of the most level headed posters like you in moments of mass hysteria think like that. I'm really happy to have slept early last night.
To be honest, if someone had to say which of the two of us was cherry picking their information to suit their own bias, I'm not sure they'd be picking me.
I feel like the extent that you could say it was Moyes fault was not being more decisive earlier.
I'm not convinced he's the one personally dispatching agents or selecting which representative handles which leg of the deal.
I'm not convinced he's the one personally dispatching agents or selecting which representative handles which leg of the deal.
That's not the point though. If we confirmed we're doing the deal, after the player took a pay cut, awaiting his medical - how is that us acting professionally or the "United way" with integrity?
We all know Bilboa's stance on players asking to leave, so there's no harm in feeling sorry for the lad, if his career is effected. We live in a world run by greedy agents and footballers, so it's very rare to come across a footballer willing to take a pay cut to get the move.
Is "shambolic" the new "embarrassing"?
Still waiting for a reply on this one.
United are still sticking with the three imposter story and I simply don't believe it. I do believe we will never be told the truth because the truth would simply expose the fact that Herrera became surplus to requirement, the minute Fellaini looked a certainty.
I have read on other threads a positive spin being put on this by other members and I admire their loyalty. But, for me, this was a night of shame for Manchester United.
This is not what we are all about and it only feeds those that consider us arrogant bullies.
I have read on other threads a positive spin being put on this by other members and I admire their loyalty. But, for me, this was a night of shame for Manchester United.
This is not what we are all about and it only feeds those that consider us arrogant bullies.
Because we are fecking United and people should bow to us. feck players, they are nobodies, feck agents, feck other clubs, we are the great Man United and if you don't accept our terms you're a cnut. feck Barcelona too for rejecting £25m for Cesc. feck all of them!!
Just wondering, but was there any actual confirmation of this from besides, you know twitter and the press who have proven themselves to be manifestly unreliable since the whole transfer window began?
Where is this pay cut stuff coming from? How do we know that? What is that piece of gossip taken as gospel?
Maybe it was true, but I just will never understand why people taking all this gossip as fact so easily.
Absolutely ridiculous state of affairs. Why did we leave it all so late?
Exactly! If that is the key point in people getting annoyed I would like to know the source.
Our transfer dealings this summer surely has given me that impression.
Not too sure. jojojo posted a link yesterday, think it wa s article. Cant confirm the validity. I agree with what you're saying that there's a ton of misinformation etc. So we're all just going on unconfirmed stories atm. I'm just saying - if events are as described, that's how I feel.
Has the whole press proven themselves to be unreliable? All of them? What about the ones who first reported the fellaini interest or that we had agreed a deal with Everton? What about the ones that reported on the fabregas deal? Both of these were later confirmed by the club to be true.
It's one thing to be careful in what you choose to believe because there is a lot of nonsense but, and I'm no aiming this at you specifically, it's another to just damn the whole press as a bunch of gossip mongers who do nothing but create stories when it's time and time them who report the real stories first.
jojojo posted a link yesterday but this thread has grown so much, it's ridiculous to search for it. I agree with the jist of what you're saying. no one knows what really transpired but if events did go down like that, there's enough reason to be a bit peev'd at how the club conducted itself.
You can bang on all you like with the positive spin, but this was a shocker.
If the press never bullshits then its good to know that Thiago is a United player. Oh, wait...
Why are you so sure about this story that Herrera offered a pay cut?
Please tell me. I think I know, but I'd like you to answer.
That United and Bilbao failed to agree a price. Yes, a shocker. One for the ages. Like JFK getting shot it was.
So, my view of it is this. Could be wrong, but seems likely given what we know at this stage.
We sent the three amigos to go pay the LFP the release clause. That was all set. However, something happened here that gave us cold feet, and we backed out. Could've been that these three amigos did something we didn't like them doing, or maybe we just thought there's no need. Then, to try save face, we said we know nothing of the three amigos. This went and backfired, and we are left looking like amateurs.
I'm pissed off tbh. Hope we can get something going in January.
We sent the three amigos to go pay the LFP the release clause. That was all set. However, something happened here that gave us cold feet, and we backed out. Could've been that these three amigos did something we didn't like them doing, or maybe we just thought there's no need. Then, to try save face, we said we know nothing of the three amigos. This went and backfired, and we are left looking like amateurs.
I'm pissed off tbh. Hope we can get something going in January.
Not the whole, but would I say majority have? Yes, and even the sources(Sky, ESPN), that lots of posters saw as reliable, got stuff wrong this time, so I'm not just sure why people are seemingly willing to believe anything now.
There's a difference between misinformation and gossip. I don't think majority of the press cook up gossip stories, but I do think there's a lot of misinformation going around, and judging by how easy it has been proven to be able to spread wrong info on twitter, nothing surprises me anymore.
Anyways, I'd better back off before someone accuses me of trying to be a "top red" or P.R for the Glazers since that's what happens here now when you try to take a point of view that's not "embarrassing", "shambolic" etc.
Feck off B20 
The boy was used as a failsafe and by ALL accounts, it was done in a shocking way. Are you really not able to accept that not everybody can be wrong on this. Everybody except United are singing off the same hymn sheet. You would be a fool to believe the club's spin on this, bearing in mind they have had ample time to investigate and release a statement on the three strangers that appeared.
Please try and use some common sense as opposed to an Alistair Campbell impersonation.
I never said the press doesn't bullshit. See in that your response revolved around that, it seems you do too.
I'm not sure about it. When I first heard the story I prefaced my reaction with a "if this is true then" but I do think is very plausible given the sources it comes from and the amount of press sources claiming it to be the case.
So, your turn, who compared Herrera to Iniesta?
What happened last night was too frantic and too raw to have an kind of embellishment. Stuff was coming in from all angles and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what occurred.
Even the stuff the Press are running with this morning are just the basic facts. The truth will come I am sure.
Everybody spins. Everybody. United do. Bilbao do. Players agents do. And football journalists make up shit. All the time.
I just want to know why the version of events that makes certain posters the most annoyed is the gospel? Why is the story that the player offered a pay cut taken as gospel?
Why is the fact that United and Bilbao did not agree on a price the worst thing that has ever happened? Such things have happened zillions of times and the world did not end.
Think it started here:
If this article is even nearly true, I'd sign him up on principle.
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/09/02/paisvasco/1378124180.html
Apparently our bid was 27m Euros + performance bonuses and we got told to come back with 36m.
Herrera according to this has asked his agent if a reduced salary deal would help United to buy him
United and Bilbao didn't have to agree a fee, that's the whole point of a release clause but we're hell bent on saving a few pennies
Why do we have to agree a fee? He has a release clause. We had to meet it if wanted him. We did want him, but didn't want to pay what was required.
And again. This idea that the release clause was a flat fee for United, no taxes to be paid. Jesus.
This deal was only ever going to happen at this stage if United and Bilbao did a deal. They didn't. Life goes on. Somehow.
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