Time for me to walk the dogs, you are being ridiculous.
Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!
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Time for me to walk the dogs, you are being ridiculous.
When you're doing your accounts there's a bloody big difference between 10m now, the rest over subsequent years, and 27 in cash now!
Christ, I'll say it again. If people want endless spunking out in hard cash then choose City. You'll feel better.
Hopefully in instalments over 4 years - like the shite they were pullin on Wigan.
Dave Whelan was on Talksport last nite before the deadline went, slagging Everton off about their offer for McCarthy. The prick was in the "K-Club" Golf Club in Dublin on the piss with his mate & he must have rang into Talksport, so he could attention-seek yet again. You could tell the lads on there were uncomfortable incase there was legalities or slander scenarios with what he was sayin, because he was slagging Everton off big-time - sayin their payment offer over 4years was pathetic etc...
I thought that was bad craic, Everton are clearly skint & I felt bad for them that he was embarrassing Bill Kenright like that. He didn't have to do that shite & so they squeezed a few more bob outta us so they could get McCarthy under better payment terms!
And further to us overpaying for him, just 2 weeks ago we bid 28m for BOTH Fellaini and Baines and now end up paying 27.5m for just Fellaini. I'm sorry, you can't defend that.
Who has ever said they want "endless spunking out of hard cash"?
Bilbao were never going to sell him, they told us that on Friday and anyone with half a brain would have known that before Friday anyway. It was the buyout clause or nothing.
For those blaming Woodward and penny pinching, it's entirely possible David Moyes pulled out of this deal. Everton fans have been telling us ever since he was appointed about his dithering and how he is renowned for pulling the plug last minute. All summer we have wanted two midfielders, it doesn't make sense that it was Fellaini or Herrera, nor does it make any sense that we have no money considering we earn gazillions. The one thing that does make sense is David Moyes thinking 36m euros for an uncapped Spanish midfielder is too much of a risk in his first transfer window as manager. I think this is understandable, what I don't understand is how we've handled the whole thing, or summer for that matter, but that's for a different thread.
feck'em RHD. They slagged us off, rightly I must admit
as well. Derisory and insulting. Did FW use those 2 words perhaps? Maybe SAF was having drinks with him.He is trying to.
Paying 4m more for Fellaini that what is buyout clause was last month is indefensible.
Yes, the posters saying Herrera has betrayed the Basque nation and will never play for his club again are the serious ones!
This is hilarious. I welcome the vast muppet apocalypse.
Llorente was ostracized for wanting to leave. They basically let him rot for a year and let him move for free when they could have easily got a few bob for him.
Betraying the Basque nation is obviously strong but if it's true that Herrara was pushing for a move, then it will not go down well at all.
It's business though. It's never pretty. These clubs will pride themselves on structuring a deal that allows them to pay the least in year one (for the buyer) ,or get the most in (for the seller). Getting the accounts to look good at the end of the year is all that matters. You are employed year to year, the end of year accounts is your only focus.
This.
I really don't understand where the implication that anyone who wanted to see a deal done for Herrera secretly wants to support City comes from.
Arsenal demanded a valuation off us for Van Persie and we paid it. Spurs demanded a valuation off us for Berbatov and we paid it. Going further back when we bought Yorkie from Villa people thought that the price was steep too, but Villa demanded it we got the player and won the treble etc.
Its got nothing to do with being like City. Its got everything to do with being willing to bring in good players when we need to push the boat out.
Well, buying these stories about him "offering a paycut" would not be helping in that case, but plenty on here have bought that as gospel.
Why do people keep bringing Llorente into this?
He was starting for them. Got subbed off and then got into argument with Bielsa. Didn't turn up for training. That's why he was dropped. Still made 33 appearances.
He was starting for them. Got subbed off and then got into argument with Bielsa. Didn't turn up for training. That's why he was dropped. Still made 33 appearances.
Well if it's true that he was willing to pay his own VAT to go to United, then that will obviously make it a hell of a lot worse for him. It's not just about business and a deal collapsing. It would be a player sacrificing serious money to force his way out of a club.
We will probably never know the truth about all this. It does not suit any parties involved to discuss it any more. People will just have to stick with the gossip that suits their outlook.
But Herrera will play for Athletic as long as he is fit, and better than their other options. For all the twisted knickers on here he has no worries.
They can. No one i saying we shouldn't have paid extra for fellaini , they're saying we could have saved 5 million had we not been inefficient. There's a big difference.
Somebody always leaks the truth in the end! We just might have to wait a while.
Maybe when Herrera has finished playing, after amassing multiple WPOTY awards while playing for City...
I think we had to overpay in the end because we were penny pinching. We wanted Everton to lower their valuation. They were never going to.
Not been keeping track. Why did this deal break down?
My understanding is if we agreed the fee with them, then we wouldn't be liable to pay the tax as we would if we used the other option and forced the release clause. Even if we agreed a fee of say 38m, we would have still have been much better off than using the release clause, but they didn't want to negotiate, so. I understand why the club was trying to negotiate a fee, but I don't understand why we'd leave it so late in the window with a deal as complex as this and make a clusterfeck of an attempt to get it sorted.
Have you noticed that no-one is running with the Lawyers Firm thing instead of Imposters today though. Everyone (apart from us) seems to be just laughin about it & carrying-on, no-one's mentioned yer man's tweet about the Bayern-Martinez transfer & them being the same blokes. That's feckin strange that no-one's makin a bigger deal out of it & questioning what the hell was goin on!
I was wishful-thinkin that there'd be some sort commotion today about it. That United & Bilbao were prevented from doing a transfer by outside forces & we'd be allowed to complete the transfer if all parties agreed, with United havin had time to cop on to themselves overnight & pay the extra £5/6m
A blokes gotta dream...
I agree. There is one outlet, Sport Witness, who seem to have details no-one else is bothered reporting or even know of:
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...der-herrera-and-the-impostors-picking-through
Start reading after the Balague transcript.
Can't access the article Sky. Can you Ctrl + V in here please
agree with this 100%. We fecked around thinking we were gonna steal Fabregas for a cheap enough sum thus letting the release clause expire only to be butt fecked for an extra 4 million when we realised what a bunch of cnuts weve been all summer.
I hope heads are rolling over this today!!!!!!!!!!
Either abramovic sent some imposting lawyers to muck it up, or we backed out at the last minute, after Herrara had put millions of his own money on the table to make it happen. Then we panicked and blamed it on some imposting lawyers.
Balague is a tool of the highest order. I take everything that he said with a pinch of salt.
But you don't know that. Or do you? What are the details of our inefficiencies. You need to know the whole strategy and how it panned out, which nobody does. People just like whining and drama. Which they are entitled to.
Can't access the article Sky. Can you Ctrl + V in here please
There's a lot to copy but Summit attempted it.
Some bits:
We signed a player for 27.5 million who we could have gotten a month ago for 23.5 million. In any business a million pound loss due to a delay of one month is bad business. It's not even as if we've shown interest in another defense minded midfielder that we were waiting out on. People aren't whining about nothing. The club has given everyone plenty of reason to whine.
Thanks Summit...
Seems basically we pulled out at the last minute, and somehow those lawyers have ended up being blamed.
Shambles of a club
Seems basically we pulled out at the last minute, and somehow those lawyers have ended up being blamed.
Shambles of a club
Here you go...
Spanish journalist Guillem Balague caused a storm on transfer deadline day when he appeared on Sky Sports News talking about the abandoned Manchester United move for Ander Herrera. Everything he said was what had earlier been reported in the Spanish media and mainly AS, the newspaper in Spain which Balague works for.
Balague spoke to Andy Burton and this is the transcript of the conversation which has caused so much fuss...
Guillem Balague: "Some of the details we'll find out in the next few hours, but some of it is quite bizarre. As we were reporting representatives of Manchester United went to the Spanish league about 7.30pm this evening, saying that they were willing to pay the buyout clause. Now, even though they were for an hour in the building and they left without paying the buyout clause and they quoted, erm, coming out of that building that there were bureaucratic problems.
Now it seems that they may not even be representatives of Manchester United, that they said they were, perhaps trying to get part of the deal, We have a bizarre situation which made the player believe, and Athletic Bilbao believe that the deal was about to happen and it seems that that's not the case. We'll know more details, but it's interesting how some people just try and get in the middle of deals without having, well not being representatives of one side or the other."
Andy Buton "You're saying these were impostors at the league offices in Spain?"
Guillem Balague: "It seems that that could have been the case, or that they tried to represent Manchester United without having the right permission."
Predictably, other news organisations picked up on the 'impostors' line and it's now being reported both here and in Spain. It's certainly entertaining to think that some chancers turned up at the Spanish league offices and tried to blag their way through a deal worth tens of millions of pounds. It's entertaining, but probably highly inaccurate.
A little research shows the men, pictured above, work for Laffer Abogados. In fact it's easy to identify them from the company website as partners in the law firm. Laffer have offices in Bilbao, Madrid and Pamplona and work with associates in England and Germany on things like... sport law in Spain. Throughout their website there are references to their work in this field and their expertise on the subject. They've worked with German clubs before and sides from the Premier League, including Arsenal.
It's also backed up independently. Several sources in Spain, including Marca, state they were involved in the highly complicated Javi Martinez to Bayern Munich transfer and helped the German club overcome tax issues. That was a prolonged situation which in itself probably helps explain why one transfer was successful and one not. Even Manchester United can't fight time, off the pitch.
Bayern Munich were able to get help on the tax complexities of the situation and complete a deal over several weeks. Manchester United moved in with time running out and it looks like they didn't start rushing until it was too late, or had no intention of paying the asking price for the player at any stage.
Local Bilbao newspaper El Correo, who have demonstrated the best connected reporting in Spain on this throughout, insist that representatives traveled from Laffer's Bilbao offices to Madrid and were representing both Ander Herrera and Manchester United in an attempt to get the deal done. They had not just turned up Only Fools And Horses style to try and become rich, they probably already are.
If you were a football club, or a footballer, wanting to employ experts on Spanish football law in Bilbao, then Laffer would be who you'd choose. To think that partners from the firm turned up in Madrid without having any encouragement to do so is frankly laughable.
We contacted Laffer on Tuesday morning to get their side, not expecting much given they're a legal firm and will be careful about how they approach such situations. Not for them to fire around accusations about the behaviour of others. Clearly frustrated by the reporting of the situation in Spain and England right now, the firm were unable to comment other than to say they were having a meeting and after that may be able to speak on the matter, perhaps not best to hold breath.
It's correct to say that Manchester United didn't send anyone to Spain, but that doesn't in turn make the partners from Laffer impostors. El Correo insist that Laffer are a prestigious firm highly respected in Bilbao and there's little reason to doubt that, the newspaper just think the whole move for Ander Herrera was a mess from start to finish.
They claim that Manchester United offered €30m on Thursday and wanted to pay this over four installments, a situation which was always going to be unacceptable to Athletic Bilbao. For them a Basque player has his own value, given their recruitment policy it's far harder for them as purchasers in the transfer market and this is reflected when they sell a player they'd rather stayed.
There's also the famous Basque stubbornness. When Fernando Llorente was intent on leaving the club because he wanted a new challenge, and more money, he quickly became person non grata with Los Leones. There was no turning back and little room for reconciliation, the situation helped neither the player or club but demonstrated that Athletic Bilbao have strength in such matters even if those principles may seem unreasonable at times. What Manchester United valued Herrera at, and it's clear it was less than his clause, doesn't really matter. Whether he's actually worth €36m or €10m less is irrelevant to the Basque club, that was the price and if Manchester United wanted the player then that's what they had to pay.
Understandably there's anger in Spain at the situation and Manchester United's reputation has been damaged. El Correo claim that some people connected to the deal think it was a case of either Marouane Fellaini or Ander Herrera when it came down to the wire, and that the big Belgian won out. They say the club's credibility in the transfer market has been damaged.
Reports that Manchester United weren't sure what they had to pay are incorrect. There are four copies of a player's contract, one of which is held at the Spanish league and they would have informed Manchester United what the amount was. Tax issues could have been overcome, with the help of Laffer, but the realisation that a training fee would have to be paid to previous clubs was another late hurdle and an added cost of around €1.8m.
With the hours running out, Manchester United walked away and concentrated on securing Fellaini with a late move for Real Madrid's Fabio Coentrao falling through despite the best efforts of Jorge Mendes.
There have been errors in the Herrera deal and the player feels a promise to him was broken, there is some anger from Athletic Bilbao fans towards the midfielder but it's nowhere near the Llorente level and the irritation will no doubt move toward Manchester United instead. Laffer were not impostors, they may have not been able to give Manchester United and Ander Herrera the answers they wanted but they have a history in this field, a successful one.
A naivety in thinking Athletic Bilbao would in the end reduce the price to please Manchester United and accept staggered payments could be to blame or it could simply be that the club were never going to pay what the Spanish club wanted whether the deal came to a head in June or three hours before the close of the transfer window.
Nobody wins. Least of all Laffer Abogados who are, almost certainly unfairly, being painted as scam artists throughout the European media
Imagine being one of the country's leading firms and then comes this tosser on TV and imply you are an impostor.
I understand all of that. It was still all of our own doing as you noted in any event. It's no secret that Bilbao don't negotiate so who's to blame here? There's just no way to spin this in a positive light and I'm all for looking for positives.
He didn't just imply it. He said the words!
Wow. Just. Wow...
feck'em RHD. They slagged us off, rightly I must admit
Ah yeah I feckin forgot about that. Woke up this morning thinkin about the hypocrisy of that prick Martinez, slagging us off in public about our confidential offer to them & those pricks cryin foul & being victimised by big bad Manchester United over their "derisory offer", which they didn't want to talk about it at pressers - because it was too distressing for that poor feck Martinez. Word of advice Martinez - don't go feckin public about it you media whore ya!
Yeah - Dave Whelan said something along those lines alright, focussing more "Absolute Madness" though.
Here man - check the old cnut out yourself:
http://talksport.com/football/exclu...ons-mccarthy-bid-absolute-madness-13090258359
€30m in 4 installments, feck off
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