Seriously. The thread has gone way off track. Take it somewhere else people.
Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!
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We had one bad season in the last 8. It's pretty much a one off. Went from a world class manager to David Moyes. Now we are back to a world class manager. One or two seasons outside CL football isn't going to kill us or hurt our standing. Just a lot of nonsense being talked in this thread.
Just look at our CL record against Madrid for example:
MUFC: 1 win, 2 runners up, 1 semi, 2 QF, 1 R16, 1 Group
13/14 - QF
12/13 - R16
11/12 - Gr
10/11 - Final
09/10 - QF
08/09 - Final
07/08 - Winner
06/07 - Semi
FCRM: 1 win, 3 semis, 4 R16
13/14 - Winner
12/13 - Semi
11/12 - Semi
10/11 - Semi
09/10 - R16
08/09 - R16
07/08 - R16
06/07 - R16
If people don't understand that football is cyclical yet, then I can't help them. If it was easy, we'd win every year. Some transfers work out, some don't. Some players lose form, some turn out better than expected. The club invested a ton of money in some of the best young players in the world in Anderson and Nani. Rightly they gave them every chance to succeed. It's hard buying players from abroad for so many reasons. That's why we've so often shopped in the domestic market. Modric for example would've been a perfect signing for us, but we all know after Berbatov and Carrick, Levy was never doing dice again. There are only so many top players available, and so many clubs competing for them. United is sensibly run club that will rise again and go from strength to strength.
In the last two years alone we have signed Van Persie, Mata and now Herrera. Is anyone seriously saying that we aren't or can't compete for the top players? We are always going to miss out on transfers. We've missed out on many players before (Ronaldinho, Zidane to name just two) and it didn't stop us from rising to the pinnacle of the world game then; and it won't now. There are so many reasons a player might go to another club. Language and culture are high among them. An unwillingness to burden the club with a ludicrous financial arrangement can be another. We lost out on Lucas Moura just a couple of years ago. The 40+M he cost then, now looks laughable.
I trusted Fergie to make the right decisions; and I trust Van Gaal to do so too. I think if the manager thinks a player is worth it, the club will get them. End of story. The only time when I haven't had confidence in this club was in the 9 months Moyes was in charge. But that's over now. Ander Herrera is a signing that excites me very much, mainly because LVG thinks he's the man we need. I don't think any of us can predict with any degree of certainty, how well this transfer will turn out. It's certainly preposterous to start foaming at the mouth because he's not a big name. United have a great tradition of making stars as well as buying them. Let's welcome this lad to the club and give him the support this club is famous for.
Just calm down. Our time will come again.
Just look at our CL record against Madrid for example:
MUFC: 1 win, 2 runners up, 1 semi, 2 QF, 1 R16, 1 Group
13/14 - QF
12/13 - R16
11/12 - Gr
10/11 - Final
09/10 - QF
08/09 - Final
07/08 - Winner
06/07 - Semi
FCRM: 1 win, 3 semis, 4 R16
13/14 - Winner
12/13 - Semi
11/12 - Semi
10/11 - Semi
09/10 - R16
08/09 - R16
07/08 - R16
06/07 - R16
If people don't understand that football is cyclical yet, then I can't help them. If it was easy, we'd win every year. Some transfers work out, some don't. Some players lose form, some turn out better than expected. The club invested a ton of money in some of the best young players in the world in Anderson and Nani. Rightly they gave them every chance to succeed. It's hard buying players from abroad for so many reasons. That's why we've so often shopped in the domestic market. Modric for example would've been a perfect signing for us, but we all know after Berbatov and Carrick, Levy was never doing dice again. There are only so many top players available, and so many clubs competing for them. United is sensibly run club that will rise again and go from strength to strength.
In the last two years alone we have signed Van Persie, Mata and now Herrera. Is anyone seriously saying that we aren't or can't compete for the top players? We are always going to miss out on transfers. We've missed out on many players before (Ronaldinho, Zidane to name just two) and it didn't stop us from rising to the pinnacle of the world game then; and it won't now. There are so many reasons a player might go to another club. Language and culture are high among them. An unwillingness to burden the club with a ludicrous financial arrangement can be another. We lost out on Lucas Moura just a couple of years ago. The 40+M he cost then, now looks laughable.
I trusted Fergie to make the right decisions; and I trust Van Gaal to do so too. I think if the manager thinks a player is worth it, the club will get them. End of story. The only time when I haven't had confidence in this club was in the 9 months Moyes was in charge. But that's over now. Ander Herrera is a signing that excites me very much, mainly because LVG thinks he's the man we need. I don't think any of us can predict with any degree of certainty, how well this transfer will turn out. It's certainly preposterous to start foaming at the mouth because he's not a big name. United have a great tradition of making stars as well as buying them. Let's welcome this lad to the club and give him the support this club is famous for.
Just calm down. Our time will come again.
I said on the brink. Also what about RvP? What abput getting Kagawa from the Bundesliga champions just 2 seasons back?
However don't get caught up in the semantics of the numbers, try and get the point I am trying to make about us being a football powerhouse equal to Bayern. Just going through a lean spell like every top club does. Don't forget that Bayern lost out on CL not too long ago and yet were able to attract top German talents.
I agree with everything you've said, good post. I too think Herrera will work out well for us and we will be right back competing at the top next season, there's no reason why we shouldn't. We will bring in the right players that van Gaal wants and with his attacking mentality and demanding nature I think the squad will respect him and work hard to impress him and ensure last season was a one off that will hopefully never be repeated again.
Great news!! Didn't really want him in the past because of his high value and i felt Cleverley deserved more chances to step up his game... so...
Im all in for Ander. Seems like a good guy and is pretty much what we need in midfield.
Im all in for Ander. Seems like a good guy and is pretty much what we need in midfield.
But we would have Xavi passing it aroung, Herrera and the new ones doing the running. He would be our pirlo
Well I don't agree that we are a football powerhouse equal to Bayern in my eyes we are slightly bigger, I think United have been bigger for quite some time even if we have less success in history than them in the European cups. Our financial status has been way better than theirs for quite some time.
I also think we are going through a lean spell, unfortunately for us and every team who ever goes through severe lean spells, it means it is harder to attract players as you don't have Champions League football to point at nor do the players dream of playing for United with the style we have had since Nani and Valencia hit a wall.
Bayern, Real and Barcelona are quite clearly much more attractive for players if money wasn't a question. Considering the highest paying club or clubs always gets the player, we have to beat PSG/Monaco/Chelsea/City/Real/Barcelona and Bayern financially and we can't do that. If Messi becomes available we will most likely put in the 8th biggest bid most likely as that is around the financial level we are at.
LVG is a great coach in terms of playing attractive, dominating and offensive football, something which is extremely important to build a brand which the best footballers wants to join. I think Mata is very similar to the purchase of Robben for Bayern, a reject indeed but you need to snap those players as it is what you need to turn the tide. Mata is our best player in my eyes, so I am not saying he is a bad player, just a reject from Chelsea which is what he was and Robben was one from Real. Those are the key signings when you struggle to buy the currently most sought after players due to a period of poor results.
Regarding RVP, he was signed for 22 millions and that shows he wasn't involved in any sort of bid-raise from the other big spenders. He is of world-class quality but he was signed as a 29 year old which was the reason other clubs chose to not bid any higher than 22 millions for him.
Dortmund like I've said are better than us, that doesn't mean they will dominate the transfer market it just means they have had better results than us the last 3 years.
That doesn't make any sense at all! You're happy but didn't want him in the past because he was expensive? We are paying the same price as last summer if not a couple of million more to get him. Cleverley needed more chances to develop so what now? And you go back to being happy we signed him?
Ok, so now the current status is some minor details still to sort out and announcement scheduled for Friday, is that right?
Yes.
what?
last summer i didn't want any midfielder signed really, specially if the value was too high (over 20M)... i was expecting Cleverley to step up and play with Jones and Carrick in midfield. basically, cope with what we had in midfield (Mata was always welcomed) at least one more season, to see what our players and new manager where made of.
Well managed, we could have been champions again without big investment.
Also, to avoid the exact situation we are at now with Fellaini. Spent a fortune on him, and now we don't even know if LvG rates him.
As for Cleverley, i think he has been terribly managed, so i can't expect him to be at the same level he used to be or to even step up... as sad as it is.
Now, with the appointment of LvG, you know the club means business again, and doing it right. So, if Herrera is part of LvG plan, i welcome it. Even if we have to pay his clause.
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Hope the weight of expectation/price tag doesn't get to him. Us fans have been so desperate for spine of the team CM that I fear if he doesn't come good off the bat, there is going to be a lot of people out for their pound of flesh because the club paid so much for him and he isn't one of those big names.
Can't wait for this deal to be announced, have a feeling it will be the one that opens up the floodgates.
Can't wait for this deal to be announced, have a feeling it will be the one that opens up the floodgates.
Great post! I have been annoyed with our transfer activity in recent seasons but this post has given me a lot of perspective. Thanks!
I'm getting Ander on mine so we can somehow recycle the Anderson song.
Will the song be about Ander's son? Or will it be, "Ander's song, song, song, better than Kleberson..."
Impressed by his tackling stats. He had a similar number of tackles in the 12/13 season, 115 total tackles in 12/13, 103 in 13/14. Though balls and Key Passes look good. Whether LvG will allow him to take as many shots at United will remain to be seen.
But whoever was the numpty that said he'd be a squad player...
Carrick:
1st = 9
2nd = 5
3rd = 0
Herrera
1st = 10
2nd = 3
3rd = 3
Cleverley
1st = 1
2nd = 7
3rd = 9
Fellaini
1st = 3
2nd = 5
3rd = 7
Comparing him with our midfield is utterly stupid. Even without looking at the stats we can tell Herrera would be better than them all. Any half-decent midfielder will have better stats than our current travesty of a midfield.
It's clearly switched from Cock Out Happy time to Woe Woe Woe Meltdown time...
Blame Woody and United for not announcing or completing the transfer.
Another lifting newly promoted. Wicked.
We should all have a bit of caution on this. Until it's done then anything can happen. Bilbao may still cause difficulty with this.
Get a grip
I do agree with this, but the doom-mongerers are getting on my wick. I'm going to give the club some credit for the time being and believe this will come off. If it doesn't, it won't be for the want of trying.
Watch this play out until the 1st of July and Bilbao move the posts.
Right on queue.....Spanish press saying there is technical problems with paperwork. Get ready for a bumpy.ride lads
I unzipped and had a grip for two days now
I don't think they have a say in this. We just have to pay the release clause
Nothing is easy these days with Woodward in charge. Signing a player for us is more complicated than doing eye surgery.
What you did was make a posit I statement followed by a negative statement.
If you'd just said "good signing", and left it at that I wouldn't have commented in a negative way.
Why are you so worried about how much United are paying? Are they asking you to help out with the deal?
AS have reported since the news broke that the deal would go through on Friday. I'm guessing United built in some slippage time to ensure the paperwork was done.
Looks like somebody submitted the wrong papers.
Mate, it's nowhere near that. Suggest you do some research into Bilbao, Martinez, and Bayern.
It would really suck for him if the deal fell through.
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