Ok, few are on my ignore list so can't see all the posts.. That's why I didn't get you
Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!
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, where have you plucked that figure from?Thank feck you included that smiley, otherwise he could have been offended.Ok, few are on my ignore list so can't see all the posts.. That's why I didn't get you
I would have happily signed Fabregas for 33 mil or Kroos for 25 mil, but stop lying and saying those players were available to us. Fabregas clearly preffered a move back to London, exclusing not only us from the compeition for his signature but also Manchester City for example. Arsenal was the club he wanted to go to, but Wenger refused him because he is well stocked on the position Fabregas plays in and doesn't have 33mil to spare, so Chelsea was the clear alternative. If Cesc doesn't want to come, you can say all you want about 33 mil but the truth is we could never have got him for that price, Chelsea could but not us in this case. Kroos, I'd happily pay 25 mil, but again Bayern have said they don't want to sell him this year, despite his contract running out and him not signing a new one. We can bang all the drums but if the club says no, we can't get him for 25 mil. On top of that Kroos clearly prefers a move to Real Madrid and is already planning on moving there next year when his contract runs out, it is unfortunate for us but we are simply not a relevant player anymore for these sort of players, it doesn't matter for what price they go, even for free, if we can't get them, we can't get them.
What other realistic alternatives are there to Herrera ? Rakitic already moved to Barcelona, again they didn't have to pay much, but we could never have landed his signature with Barcelona being involved. Pranjic signed a new deal, Koke signed a new deal and players like Vidal, Pogba Schweinsteiger or Modric are just unrealistic muppet targets that we stand 0% chance at getting.
The truth is we are forced in signing Herrera because he is the best player realisticaly available to us atm. We have to pay his buy-out as Athletic refuse to let him go otherwise, the truth is we simply have no feasilble alternative to him. Most other players we could consider aren't exactly the profiles we are looking for/should be looking at (playmaking CM, whereby signing him on a 5 year deal has long term value for the club). The only alternative we have is signing nobody and persisting with what we have, which is simply unacceptable.
Also part of his high transfer fee is set off by his low wages. I won't call it a good deal if you compare it to the business other clubs can do in the midfield but given our very difficult situation it is probably the best one we can do.
Yeah I learnt my lesson today, it happened to me in another thread. No smiley, the other poster went crazy..
Dreadful post.
To add to the above Rakitic was clear that he wanted to stay in Spain, and that Herrera still wants to come to us after the fiasco of last summer which could have potentially ruined his development at Bilbao is great. Instead they qualified for the Champions League and by all accounts he was an important part of the team and played constantly. Would have been even tougher than last time for him, and don't think many would have blamed him too much if he decided not to come. From everything I've heard about him, his attitude is great, and like someone else said, though he's not Vidal, Fabregas or whoever, he should help improve us greatly.
Jesus, some of you are miserable bastards. Just relax.
Why was everybody feeding that troll?
Vidal, Pogba, Modric and Schweinstieger definitely aren't unrealistic, especially Vidal/Schweinstieger for obvious reasons.
They are all unrealistic signings. What makes you think otherwise?
Exactly. Wtf. How are any of those 4 'realistic'. They're almost the epitome of non-realism.
I honestly can't believe some of the comments in here
We're close to signing a midfielder who is technically gifted and has shown he's more than capable of producing brilliant performances against us and the best La Liga has to offer, but still people are not happy. Under LVG i expect Herrera to be an even better player. Herrera is an extremely intelligent player who will be brilliant when tactical discipline will be required against the big boys in the PL. He's mobile and has a fantastic one touch passing game that will link our midfield with attack which we have sorely missed since Scholes's decline due to his age. I'm actually more excited by the Herrera signing than i would've been had we signed Kroos or Koke.
We're close to signing a midfielder who is technically gifted and has shown he's more than capable of producing brilliant performances against us and the best La Liga has to offer, but still people are not happy. Under LVG i expect Herrera to be an even better player. Herrera is an extremely intelligent player who will be brilliant when tactical discipline will be required against the big boys in the PL. He's mobile and has a fantastic one touch passing game that will link our midfield with attack which we have sorely missed since Scholes's decline due to his age. I'm actually more excited by the Herrera signing than i would've been had we signed Kroos or Koke.
He's from the Talking Reds forum, what do you expect.
Vidal loves Conte and Juventus. So he aint moving. Pogba? The guy left us two years and you think he is going to come back to us? Modric? You are getting progressively worse. Why in the hell would he want to leave the best side in the world currently to come play for a team not even in the Champions League. And Bastian? He is Bayern born and bred. Why he would want to leave his home country and come play for us?
Add to the fact Kroos has not been sold ...YET. Bayern seem to be playing hard ball with him and prospective suitors. Cesc was only ever going to a London club.
Vidal- He recently said in a interview that he doesn't know what his future holds.... blah blah, We could offer him boatloads of money to come here. He's 27 so it would most likely be his last contract as well.
Schweinstieger- Lot's of reports that Pep wants to get rid of him, as he is not the type of midfielder he likes to utilize in his team. He's 29 so it would have to be a financial decision as well. I guess Pogba and Modric are kinda unrealistic but too many people keep forgetting how big of a club we actually are.
We are the most recognised club in the world with by far the largest fan base. This means players will get more exposure, look at Mata's twitter followers from before and after he joined us.
We have a 5 star rated 75,000 stadium, people from all over the world come to watch us play at Old Trafford. Compare that to the emptihad stadium etc.
Once we sign our new sponsorship deals, we will once again overtake Bayern, Barcelona and Real Madrid in terms of Revenue's. A lot of our current deals are 10 years old. It will pretty much make us the most profitable sports organisation in the world.
The most important aspect is obviously wages. We pay Van Persie and Rooney both north of £200,000 per week, we even have Ashley fecking Young on 100k per week. We can definitely mix it up with the best when it comes to player salaries, easily. Our wage bill is currently higher than Chelsea's btw. We can pretty much triple say Vidal's wages, you telling me that won't persuade him? Madrid can probably match that, but Juventus sure as hell cant.
Obviously there are factors such as location, weather etc which we cant help, but too many people underestimate the size of Man Utd. We most definitely have not got a 0% chance like that other guy stated.
I remember hearing about this last summer when we waited too late on him.
The first part of your post is laughable, so I won't even bother with the rest.
And your post isn't? Just because LVG tried to sign Vidal before he is a realistic target now? And just because Bastian played for LVG, he is also an equally realistic target?
How do you know Ed doesn't go after them? And they definitely would join us if there was an offer?
Fecking hell... People, this isn't football manager. You cannot put price tag on everyoner and buy them with a few clicks.
lol, I didn't even mention LVG as a reason for either of those players, I think you're seeing things now.
Right well let's start printing the replica shirts with his name on them then...Last contract at 27? What? He's playing for one of the best teams in Europe, the best team in Italy and is playing in the Champions League. It would cost us an astronomical fee to buy probably the best midfielder in the world currently.
You're only basing Schweinsteiger being realistic on what is probably complete tabloid bullshit. Take that away and there are very few reasons to think him coming here is plausible.
Also, do you think that if they were 'available' that van Gaal wouldn't be aware?
Yes they are and there are absolutley no obvious reasons to suggest otherwise. simply because some rags and twatter geeks claim to have a source that claims United is interested in these player doesn't make them realsitic signings. I have to see the first real sign of any of these players that they would give feck arse about joining a club like United (except the obvious courtesies of these players when asked about it by a journo). At most these players will have their agents push a story about a move just to drive up their wage in the next contract they intent on signing at another club.
This sort of player is beyond our reach until we prove ourselves equals again with the likes of Real Madrid and Bayern Munchen etc. We can't snatch players away from those teams as we would be step down and we can't compete with them for their top targets either because nobody will refuse Real, Bayern or Barca for us.
Vidal is on Real and Barca radar, Schweinsteiger is a top player and club legend at Bayern Munchen. Vidal won't ever refuse Real or Barcelona over us, Schweinsteiger will never leave Bayern and Bayern will never want Schweinsteiger to leave (their fans would riot and threaten to kill the one that decided to sell him). There is not a single real tangible proof that moves for these players could happen. There is also no logical explanantion for them to happen (taken from the players viewpoint). Hence why they won't happen !
Good post.
Not sure we are forced to buy Herrera though? We missed Fabregas because he wanted to go back to London apparently? Slightly annoying because for us to make numerous bids last summer, we must have had some encouragement from his side to put the bids in.
Bayern have no intention of selling Kroos to date, though their position may change as the transfer window draws to a close.
Don't know too much about the Rakitic deal so won't comment on that
Herrera, however, appears to be drawn to our club, and as a result ( if reports are to be believed!) is prepared to make sacrifices to sign for us. This is the kind of player we need at Utd. A great player that wants to play for us is the kind of player we want. He doesn't have to be a superstar, just a massive improvement on what we have presently, which he definitely is, and highly motivated to play for us, which he appears to be.
I am all for this transfer, and feel that once he settles, he will prove to be worth the investment we are making.
I meant last big money contract. My bad.
Khedira puts him on the bench for Germany, surely he won't want to be sitting on Bayerns next year, we could give him a lot of incentives to join.
Maybe, maybe not... We can't be sure how focused he is on United currently as he is still in the World Cup with Holland. People look too much into this "Available" nonsense. No one wants to sell their best players, but sometimes they just can't refuse the money or other factors. Theoretically every player in the world has to be available.
You sure you're a United fan? I'm going to bump this post up when we get our "Big money" signing.
This is getting off topic anyway, let's keep the discussion on Herrera.
That's nonsense!!
We are Manchester United FFS!! One of the biggest clubs in the world. We CAN compete with any club for any available player! The big question is whether or not the player buys into what Manchester United is about, and if they do, they will come
We have the largest fanbase, that is it. In terms of finances there are many clubs that match us or even dwarf us and have proven to be far superior to us in investing that money in transfers. (Real, Bayern, Barca and ofcourse City, Chelsea and PSG). If we simply talk about the financials, we won't win a battle with these clubs if it boils down to who can/will pay the biggest transfer fee or salary, it clearly won't be us ! You state alot of clear financial facts except that we have a major debt to service and are under Glazer rulership (and not Galatico Martino or Sheik Abu Dhabi).
All the elements about a 5-star stadium, biggest fanbase and our sponsorship deals, they are minor factors in the decision the players make.
Players want to play for their dream club and if that can't happen they aim for the biggest sportive succes. We aren't high on the dreamlist with many footballers (anymore) and in terms of silverware, we aren't even in the CL (yea yea only for one season, no certainties about that btw, and the biggest players don't give a ratsase about that excuse, no CL= no CL), we aren't competiting for domestic silverware either, we ended 7th and we were already struggling attracting the big names when we were consistently first (and had SAF). Our attractivness wasn't comparable to that of Real and Barcelona and on top of that it has greatly diminished since SAF left the ground.
You want to win a battle for Vidal with Real or Barcelona, well than first make sure you are top of the league again, that you are not just in the CL but that you can win the CL and that you have a better or atleast equally good team to Barcelona and Real and can guinely win a big match against them. Do that and than we can start talking about snatching away Vidal from under Reals nose. Ow yea, and role the money, don't just sit on it !
You really think a club like United hasn't already figured it needs players like Vidal...You really think they are that ignorant ? The reality is, we simply can't match the real topclubs these days when competiting for these signings, even if we have the money and are willing to spend it. That is why no high level transfer ever happens at this club, with high level I mean us signing a player clubs like Real or Bayern would desperatley want and win. Sure we got Mata because we were the only ones in for him and Chelsea wanted to get rid.
Stop fooling yourselves with these muppet signings, they have never happenend and they will never happen anymore until we get back to being amongst the biggest clubs in the world, not just on paper but in reality. Liverpool and Arsenal are also gigantic powerhouses of clubs, and they also have cash and all this, but nobody considers like the biggest clubs when talking transfers. Why would you assume we are any different when comparing us to Real Madrid or Barcelona or Bayern, because this is what you are doing if we discuss the achievability of players like Vidal or Schweinsteiger. 10 years ago, yea for sure, right now, no sorry not a chance in hell, we are a tier below those clubs and you see the affects of that every signle transfer window and you'll see the effects of this transferwindow aswell.
I got a feeling i stepped on a few people's penises.
Everyone that quoted me and went nuts, don't forget how blinded you are about this transfer simply because we are United fans and pretty desperate atm. On every other football website people are saying the same.
And even tough this might be what we need after all, and that the price is worth it in the end. Its still a big difference from the United we used to be.
Everyone that quoted me and went nuts, don't forget how blinded you are about this transfer simply because we are United fans and pretty desperate atm. On every other football website people are saying the same.
And even tough this might be what we need after all, and that the price is worth it in the end. Its still a big difference from the United we used to be.
Tell me, What was the United we used to be?
So many people talking utter garbage in here.
Yes we are and that is why we can't get the real top players in the world anymore. For feck sakes even when that sentence had more power to it (5-6 years ago) players like Ronaldo still dreamt more about Real Madrid than they did about Manchester United.
We as fans buy into what manchester United is about, but the top players you muppets keep fantasising about simply don't.
We saw last year what manchester United was about, no CL and 7th place...feck sakes wake up man !
You are the complete opposite to people who say 'we're Man Utd ffs.' You think one poor season means we're down in the second-rate European clubs which simply isn't true. Ronaldo had a personal affiliation with Madrid, just like when van Persie was desperate to join United (ahead of City, Juventus) and his club didn't want to sell to us.
You're being a massive drama queen, basically.
feck me, do people still actually believe this crap?
Interesting that you bolded the first bit of my post, but not the most important bit.
The big question is whether or not the player buys into what Manchester United is about, and if they do, they will come
Interesting that you bolded a bit of my post, but not the most important bit.
The big question is whether or not the player buys into what Manchester United is about, and if they do, they will come
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