You seriously not comparing Carrick to those two are you now? He's not as good as them or Scholes.
It is a priority to replace him. He is 33, when do you exactly think of replacing him?
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You seriously not comparing Carrick to those two are you now? He's not as good as them or Scholes.
It is a priority to replace him. He is 33, when do you exactly think of replacing him?
That's because they're Xavi and Pirlo. This is Carrick we're talking about, who assuming Herrera is signed, isn't even the best CM in our squad now. We can't afford another season like the last one from him, that's for sure. I reckon LVG will bring somebody else in.
See this is how a transfer should be done. No public bids, no twitter rumours leading up to it. Just out of the blue and done within a few days. Nice and tidy.
Nobody thought Modric could play in midfield. Until he did.
Mind you his best form came under Bielsa who deploys a very similar system to Van Gaal and often cites him as his role model. I'm interested to see if he can find that form under Van Gaal. That Bilbao team absolutely destroyed us.
They seem particularly bitter about him leaving them before a season of Champions League football for a team that hasn't qualified for Europe. One thread is titled 'Why do some players lie to us?'. 'Because we let them' laments the first poster to reply.
Maybe a sign of Woodward maturing.
Or van Gaal shouting at him down the phone.
Carrick could do a job next season but we shouldn't be relying on him if we want to get back into the top 4. This is a good start but we need additional support. However there is a chance Carrick may fill the spot until January when Strootman is signed.
You're missing the point that Carrick was never as good as Scholes, Xavi or Pirlo.
Sorry but he has nowhere near Modric's playmaking or tempo setting abilities.
"In the return leg, Ferguson put a man on me - Park," explains Herrera.
"Wow, that guy worked his arse off! I thank Ferguson for that. It meant he'd noticed me - a big honour."
http://imgur.com/a/Y3znq
Also, LMFAO? God damn it, well at least de Gea has good taste.
"Wow, that guy worked his arse off! I thank Ferguson for that. It meant he'd noticed me - a big honour."
http://imgur.com/a/Y3znq
Also, LMFAO? God damn it, well at least de Gea has good taste.
Poor Ander. It's always tough for Basques wanting to leave Athletic. He's tried it twice now and both times for United, after telling the fans last year he was happy and United were in the past for him. This will be seen as a massive betrayal verging on treachery.
About time he hit puberty I reckon.
This automatically invokes the image of Woodward's shriveled nether regions.
See?
Different types of players man. We also need a Carvalho type aswell - he would be a great addition too. Its a shame Strootmans injured, he's top-class box-box with the full compliment of skills - like Vidal. Could you imagine us gettin all of the above? Its about the squad now - not just the starting 11 & we need upgrades & tactical options which we dont have right now in CM.
I dont understand all the drama about Herrera & his fee. Its not his fault - its Bilbao's ffs. They have probably all their squad on €30m-odd buy-out clauses. Its nigh on impossible to obtain a top player from that club. Off the top of my head - there's only been Llorente & Martinez that have jumped ship in recent years to bigger clubs, so Bilbao have every club by the balls - which is fair enough of course..
Herrera is the type of player we need & he's seems to be a great lad also. I heard ex-United man & Spanish football expert, Terry Gibson, talk about him earlier today on Sky Sports Radio (the soundcloud was posted a few pages back) & he loves the wee fella & thinks the money we're payin is spot on for a player of his quality.
I couldnt give a shite about the fee in all honesty. The club owe the fans a serious spending spree from all the money they've coined in from us - not to mention the £80m we got from the Ronnie sale. We spent £18m+ on his replacement (Valencia), and never got anywhere near replacing Ronnies quality.
The squad is suffering in quality now because of varyin reasons & that has to be addressed this summer as best we can. We need a clearout as much as we need new players in. Far too many are a waste of space - Nani, Young & Anderson being the obvious, but we also have players that just arent United class either. Smalling & Jones arent Rio & Vida replacements, Rafa is a liability far too much of the time & Evans is injured for half a season or more, every season.
We need atleast 2 top-class CB's (Hummels/Miranda & Mangala); atleast 3 CM's (Herrera could be in the bag, but i'd love Vidal, Strootman & Carvalho to join him - that would be us sorted for God knows how many years to come); a RB (to compete with Rafa - United U-21 lad Varela might be the answer though); a LB (Shaw hopefully); 2 wingers (Sanchez + a leftie).
Never gonna happen, but we need a clearout & top-class players in asap..
Obviously he's not as good as Modric. I'm just saying what type of player he is.
It's a major f*ck you to the people that say we can't attract top talent without CL football, so they can moan all they want for all I care. As if United would suddenly become an unattractive club without a season of CL football at most. I remember seeing Southampton fans say it on a forum before too, it's baffling.
- Think I'm right in believing you are a City fan. So isn't it a little bit rich (pun intended) for you to be talking about the size of transfer fees?
- How do you know how much our budget is? Most media loutlets have put it between 150M and 200M. So 29M isn't a huge portion of it. Even that is speculation.
- United's budget isn't restricted by FFP like City's because we've spent within our own generated means.
- What makes you think United can't afford to spend 30-50M on another midfielder?
- Chevrolet deal starts this year which is almost double the value of anyone else's shirt deal. Nike deal about to be doubled (or more). Debt refinanced. Payments only 20M per season (less than dividends would've been under old PLC). Sponsorship revenue sky high.
- One season of no CL will be easily compensated for. United are rolling in cash and will have no problems paying big fees for more players if they want them.
- Hunter and Ballbag aren't responsible for this signing. Louis Van Gaal is. A world class manager who has an almost unrivalled eye for talent.
- No player is a guaranteed success. Paying 30M for Fernandinho (who was 28, hadn't played in a top level league and only had 4 caps for Brazil) looks a much bigger risk on paper. But that turned out well.
- We paid only 1.3M less for Fellaini, the worst midfielder who ever lived. By comparison, this is the best transfer of the century.
- Nice attempt to ruin a wonderful day for United fans (Herrera signing, Buttner leaving, Suarez biting), but it won't work.
- We might take Toure off your hands next. Seeing as he is desperate to leave. I think he'd work out well next to Ander.
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Obviously he isn't as good, I never said that he was. I am just saying that he can still play and I gave a few examples of players who adapted their games in their thirties. Carrick won't become now as good as them but there is no reason why he can't continue playing as good as he has been playing before.
Don't get me wrong, I've always rated Carrick, but is his top form even good enough anymore? he had a good season two seasons ago, we won the title, but it was hardly what you would call an amazing season IMO. He was solid, but I think we need to make a step to start living without him now and as a result, improve our midfield even further.
If he were Pirlo he'd have written a book about it, whinging
Tbf in some ways Carrick is more suited to playing as he's older. His natural game is to sit and shield. The problem with Scholes/Xavi/Pirlo is that whilst they're age doesn't detract from their passing and ability to control a game it does mean that they can't push on as much and at the same time you can't leave them sitting as they're not naturally defensive players. That means you need to leave another player deeper as well. You allow that with them because they're so good.
With Carrick he's not as good so when his legs going affects his defensive game then he'll need to be taken out but I don't see an immediate concern this season coming. We should have a replacement lined up though, ideally we add another midfielder who can understudy this year. I think Carrick's getting some harsh treatment. As I mentioned earlier he had some issues but the bigger problem was a lack of anyone else to step up in the middle in terms of midfield problems.
Bit of revisionism there, he was fantastic that season. Just because he was crap, like most of the players last season. doesn't mean he isn't good enough anymore. Kagawa is apparently one of our best players, but he was worse than Carrick. Plus Moyes severely limited what he and our central midfielders could do, he wasn't allowed to control games like he can but to just sit back and ping balls to the wide men.
BUT WHAT DOES HE KNOW?
Not as much as the average ITK who watches highlight reels on youtube
- Think I'm right in believing you are a City fan. So isn't it a little bit rich (pun intended) for you to be talking about the size of transfer fees?
- How do you know how much our budget is? Most media loutlets have put it between 150M and 200M. So 29M isn't a huge portion of it. Even that is speculation.
- United's budget isn't restricted by FFP like City's because we've spent within our own generated means.
- What makes you think United can't afford to spend 30-50M on another midfielder?
- Chevrolet deal starts this year which is almost double the value of anyone else's shirt deal. Nike deal about to be doubled (or more). Debt refinanced. Payments only 20M per season (less than dividends would've been under old PLC). Sponsorship revenue sky high.
- One season of no CL will be easily compensated for. United are rolling in cash and will have no problems paying big fees for more players if they want them.
- Hunter and Ballbag aren't responsible for this signing. Louis Van Gaal is. A world class manager who has an almost unrivalled eye for talent.
- No player is a guaranteed success. Paying 30M for Fernandinho (who was 28, hadn't played in a top level league and only had 4 caps for Brazil) looks a much bigger risk on paper. But that turned out well.
- We paid only 1.3M less for Fellaini, the worst midfielder who ever lived. By comparison, this is the best transfer of the century.
- Nice attempt to ruin a wonderful day for United fans (Herrera signing, Buttner leaving, Suarez biting), but it won't work.
- We might take Toure off your hands next. Seeing as he is desperate to leave. I think he'd work out well next to Ander.
I'm not a City fan but yeah, City jibes aside you raise some fair points. Like I said I think he's a good player, just not worth that money...but if money isn't an issue then then there's no point getting annoyed about the signing. He'll do well for you I reckon, but I'm still glad you don't seem to be landing a truly elite midfielder.
Exactly. Despite the evidence of my eyes, which assure me Herrera is a great midfielder, many on the Caf tell me he's a 10. Hence, I and Herrera himself, must be wrong.
He's not even that good either. I mean look how old he is and he didn't go to the World Cup like Illaramendi and Isco and...oh wait...
Sorry man, thought you were a City fan! No offense intended!
With the exception of Welbeck and Valencia, none of the players ahead of Herrera are particularly good at offering protection the midfield/defence. AH is going to have to sit deep in order to fit in, or else we'll end up with a 4-1-5 formation half the time.
Earlier jokes aside, at this point, smart money has to be on LvG's influence as Solius (and surely many other posters) might think regarding the under-the-radar-ish nature of the transfer. A huge step in the right direction in terms of any future deals we might pursue.
Carrick is the most underrated United player of the last 10 years. He's been brilliant for United. No-one should be judged on last season. Except Moyes.
Carrick is such a great thinking footballer. His positional play is outstanding. He makes so many interceptions, and his passing is top notch. He signing coincided with one of the most successful periods in our history. Especially in Europe. He's the anti-Gerrard. He'll be a vital member of our squad next season. But he's also at the end of his career and needs to be phased out sooner rather than later. I'd be very comfortable with him being a starter next season because I haven't seen us linked to a number 6 yet that is better than him. I'd take Schweini in a heart beat and the two could share the burden of that position. People say Carvalho, but he's miles away from the positional and tactical intelligence of Carrick. Not to mention the passing range. It's hardly surprising because he's so young. I don't flatter myself to think I am a good enough judge of talent to say whether he can become better than Carrick but I'm fairly sure he'll take a few seasons to get there.
A lot of people on here ready to toss aside a top player like Carrick on the basis of one season. Under appreciated by United fans, England fans and England managers. I'm quite certain England would've performed very differently at the world cup with a midfield anchored by Carrick rather than the maverick Gerrard.
There's still a lot of time for that mate. I'm skeptical, but there's still time and the fact that our first signing is in central midfield shows that LVG is aware that it's a major issue. Don't count your chickens.
Seems like quite a modest chap who is highly thought of by his peers.
Translation: Ander Herrera is already in Manchester. He has traveled this afternoon on a private plane.
But they know better...even though they haven't seen him play more than once. I mean he has never played for Spain, that must mean he's crap.
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