I'd tend to agree with ya man, i read it on a few reports sayin its a 4 year deal, but i'd say its a 5 year deal instead - with a $1b buyout clause just to take the feckin piss out of all that shite..
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I'd tend to agree with ya man, i read it on a few reports sayin its a 4 year deal, but i'd say its a 5 year deal instead - with a $1b buyout clause just to take the feckin piss out of all that shite..
LvG had nothing to do with this transfer. He may have green lit it, but all the contacts and groundwork was done under Moyes. The fact it's been done so stealthily is because the channels were already in place from last summer.
I for one certainly wouldn't dream of tossing him aside, I just think that we need to finally learn to live without him. I don't think he should be starting every game anymore unless he's at his absolute best, which I believe we can improve on too. He's hardly Paul Scholes.
I understand that feeling. I felt the same way when City signed Fernandinho last season. Soon that feeling turned to jealousy. I just hope Herrera can do the same to rival fans. United fans should all be reluctant to heap too much pressure on him; because you are right with your original post that he, alone, is not the savior. I think he can be an important cog in a much larger machine.
With Van Gaal, the system is everything. Not the individuals. This has been discussed ad infinitum. Taken in isolation I expect some of his signings to be underwhelming but put into the context of the collective, I expect the result to be very much the opposite.
Of course he does. So who signed the player? Who wanted him? Woodward?
Makes no sense that people say LVG has nothing to do with the transfer.
LvG is in Brazil. He may have green lit the transfer, but he's not been anywhere near Europe for ages. Woodward is the man behind the deal getting done stealthily.
You're right. I've allowed myself to be tricked by actually watching Herrera play. He can't be that good, he hasn't even got that many YouTube compilations.
How many Spain caps has he got? I can't believe we're gonna make someone like that a mainstay of our midfield. Atleti did that with Gabi and what did it get them, besides La Liga and a European Cup final...?
Plus, Herrera hasn't been linked to us in the media for months like the 'Dutch Xavi' Jordi Classie. Can't believe we're buying a player so many watchers of Spanish football rate. This is what it's come to after a season out of the Champions League.
Pirlo's book wasn't whinging. The entire book was written with a dry sense of humour running through it. I highly recommend reading it, there are a few laugh out loud moments
It was an amazing season, by any standard. He was by a mile the best midfielder in England, was our most important player and probably only a few midfielders (Schweinsteiger, Martinez, Gundogan and possibly Busquets and Vidal) had a better season than him in the entire Europe. It was a season that would have made even Scholes proud.
If he can play as good as he did that season (and I can see him doing so) then there would be no need to replace him immediately and he would again be one of best European midfielders. People here have very short memories, players became from hero to zero within a night.
Exactly. Despite the evidence of my eyes, which assure me Herrera is a great midfielder, many on the Caf tell me he's a 10. Hence, I and Herrera himself, must be wrong.
He's not even that good either. I mean look how old he is and he didn't go to the World Cup like Illaramendi and Isco and...oh wait...
That's because you don't listen to me i said that he was a 10,8,6. who played a lot in 10 but deep down was a 8.
You should always listen to me, except when i'm wrong.
Utter delighted if this true. didnt think we would get him as bilbao are so hard to deal with.
but if this goes through ill be F'ing thrilled, he's a lovely little player, makes the game tick, has pace and mobility(somthing we are desperate for in Center mid) will really help with are tempo issues.... a really good buy.
just hope bilbao don't drag thier feet like the did with martinez to bayern, but it it gies through ill be absalotly delighted, just need to find a Defensive midfielder to partner him.
but if this goes through ill be F'ing thrilled, he's a lovely little player, makes the game tick, has pace and mobility(somthing we are desperate for in Center mid) will really help with are tempo issues.... a really good buy.
just hope bilbao don't drag thier feet like the did with martinez to bayern, but it it gies through ill be absalotly delighted, just need to find a Defensive midfielder to partner him.
Carrick will be 33 by the time the season starts, it was evident last season that age had caught up with him.
No, people here look to the future.
Rio was amazing that season too. He is 33, we should be looking to the future and getting his replacement whilst he is still at the club.
Good little read.
It is just a little bit fishy that by all accounts LVG put the blockers on Kroos and Fabregas but gave the green light to Herrera, like I said previously although we're getting a good player the transfer to me comes across a little like we're running out of options and don't want to leave it till the last minute like last summer before just getting at least 1 player in
Not really, United had been scouting Herrera long before Moyes arrived, he was one of the players United had lined up under Fergie, only for dithering Dave to feck it up.
Yeah it would, but he still didn't come anywhere close to him at his best, even when he was nearing the end. I admit that he was vitally important and put in some great performances, but you're overrating his season here. I mean, do you not think that any other CM could have done even better? not even one of the top class midfielders you listed? Not only in terms of assists, but goals too?
I'm getting soft. They need to hurry this up.
I don't think he put the blockers on Fabregas. Fabregas wanted to go to London. And I don't think Bayern will sell Kroos and would rather let him go on a free.
Take yer Irish hat off Red. There's far better players out there than McCarthy man. Strootman is ideal (when he's recovered), alongside Vidal & Herrera in a mid-field of 3. Add in Carvalho & its pure dreamland
Gotta think big - its about time United thought big too, instead of squeezing every last breathe out of our Central Mid-field over the years. Pathetic for a club of our size & wealth that we've such a shite central mid-field, wide mid-field & poor centre-halfs (apart from Evans when he's fit).
It isn't that a big problem for midfielders. Midfielders play well on that age. You can't get any conclusion (bar that Moyes was shit) from last season. All of our best performers of 2012-2013 bar De Gea completely underperformed. RVP, Carrick and Rafael who were our best players a season ago were either average or bad last season.
If we can find a great midfielder to replace him then I am okay with it. Also a young midfielder wit potential will be good too. But just replacing him cause he was bad last season seems stupid to me. If Carrick plays as good as he did on 2012-2013 then the only better defensive midfielders than him I can remember are Martinez and Busquets. Neither of them seems available.
Just how many players were lined up by Fergie?
Thiago, Garay and Herrera?
I don't think he was a Fergie target.
Tell that to Xavi.
Early shower for you Sandikan..
You're right. I've allowed myself to be tricked by actually watching Herrera play. He can't be that good, he hasn't even got that many YouTube compilations.
How many Spain caps has he got? I can't believe we're gonna make someone like that a mainstay of our midfield. Atleti did that with Gabi and what did it get them, besides La Liga and a European Cup final...?
Plus, Herrera hasn't been linked to us in the media for months like the 'Dutch Xavi' Jordi Classie. Can't believe we're buying a player so many watchers of Spanish football rate. This is what it's come to after a season out of the Champions League.
Also, weren't Barca linked to him? What do they know about buying players?
Anyway, like I said before, Herrera will be awesome for us. He's going to embarrass a lot of people.
Only Xavi and Pirlo on thier prime would have been as good/near as good/slightly better than Scholes on his prime. I can say that Carrick's 2012-2013 performance was easily the best performance from a United midfielder for at-least half a decade.
Carrick at his best is a great midfielder. There are only a few better midfielders than him, and replacing him won't be as easy as people think.
Or maybe he wanted a different type of player? Herrera is nothing like Kroos or Fabregas.
By all accounts eg Mitten, Ducker, Ogden we have been scouting Herrera for years. The likelihood is Herrera was one of many we were examining. I'd guess Thiago was the first choice pick, and Herrera lined up as the fall back option. Moyes messed up both deals...
He was, the United scouts were the ones who recommended him to Moyes.
Xavi plays more advanced than Carrick though. Also, Barca does much more pressure than us and Xavi has to be on run all the time. On the other case, Carrick's job is more as a shield to midfield while Herrera and our No.10 will have more playmaking duties.
There certainly is that possibility.
Either way, the comment you quoted was not regarding the transfer itself but that relatively quiet way in which it seems to have gone about.
There's a huge difference between the Gill/SAF style and the 20m-for-Fabregas-BAM-ZOOM-KAPOW of Woodward last summer, and if Woodward's turned a corner - whether or not LvG has given him some confidence to do so - then it's a very very good thing.
Last summer the reliable journos reported that we have been scouting him for more than 18 months before Moyes came.
Don't think they were ever seriously linked, and their signings have been a bit iffy recently anyway.
I don't really disagree with your post but #07's was basically the definition of a straw-man argument.
Woody got the harsh realization many of us had at one time or another when he found out that real life doesn't work like FM 2014 on laptop.
Are you going to spend the whole day in this thread, shitting over a United signing? You haven't posted anywhere else all day.
Try the Suarez thread, or something.
I dont think there's that many folk disappointed by this potential signing to be honest mate. I think we all want more CM's than just Herrera & maybe folk are panicking that he might just the only one coming on, which going by our previous windows - folk are entitled to be shittin it..
Herrera is a quality player & if he signs - he's already our best CM. Apart from Carrick - if he gets his feckin finger out, the rest are not United quality by any stretch of the imagination. Fletch is still recovering from illness, so he has allowances!
Dante does have a point. It's still too early to judge. But it's definitely a radical enough departure from Moyes/Woody to hope.
Oh alight then. As long as he's not the only CM we sign.
Dont quote me on that man
With United - expect to be brought down to earth when it comes to signing CM's
Herrera is all over the shop - like sawdust in a butchers..
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