Real question is why the hell didnt we complete a deal for James.
Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!
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If you say so. I simply addressed the kind of points that people have been making to claim this is a bad buy. I note you didn't take issue with the points I made either.
One thing to dismiss them. Another to explain why it follows that just cos Herrera ain't played for Spain that he's not good. As I highlighted, is Gabi rubbish cos he hasn't got a Spain cap? Atleti don't think so.
If you ask me the arguments against Herrera are the real straw men.
What are you on? Herrera, Strootman, Vidal and Carvalho? And play who out of them? And do what with the other 2/3?Take yer Irish hat off Red. There's far better players out there than McCarthy man. Strootman is ideal (when he's recovered), alongside Vidal & Herrera in a mid-field of 3. Add in Carvalho & its pure dreamland
Gotta think big - its about time United thought big too, instead of squeezing every last breathe out of our Central Mid-field over the years. Pathetic for a club of our size & wealth that we've such a shite central mid-field, wide mid-field & poor centre-halfs (apart from Evans when he's fit).
Some exciting stats on Herrera off whoscored :
Sell them, they are clearly bottlers who couldn't even make the first team.
Should note he is compared with CM's while he played as an AM.
People lose their senses during the transfer window. I seriously would love to know how many of people who wan Carvalho here (and say that he's better than McCarthy) have seen him play for more than 5 times.
Which makes the tackling stat even more impressive.
His surname alone sounds like a Skyrim shout. Win-win for me.
Hmm that's true but the defensive stats are even more remarkable in that regard mate.
Also this is a very good stat don't you think :
Among the 20 best players overall in La Liga statistically despite being unsettled, benched and out of form in September/ October after the failed transfer last summer.
That is what I look for in all my centre mid targets, to be fair.
Absolutely does, Oscar class.
Kroos Roh Dah (if you mispronounce Kroos) next.
Also @Annahnomoss
He has good statistical ratings too mate - 7.4 and 7.2 vs Barcelona, 7.3 vs Atletico, 7.8 vs Valencia, 8.9 vs Sevilla, 7.5 vs Madrid. Clearly a big match player.
He has good statistical ratings too mate - 7.4 and 7.2 vs Barcelona, 7.3 vs Atletico, 7.8 vs Valencia, 8.9 vs Sevilla, 7.5 vs Madrid. Clearly a big match player.
Can't believe ppl are talking this transfer down. If we had the best midfield in the world with Vidal, Busquets and Koke then I could understand the disappointment, but ffs, we are signing a really good midfielder who will improve our current "midfield" by a country mile.
Also, what is the obsession with him not getting into the Spanish squad? As if this says anything about his quality.
Spanish -just like Brazilian - squads consist of quality players and at the same time there are so many equal - at times even better - players around, who don't make the squad because some other players in that same position are just truely world class. It's not like any of our current players bar DDG (only if Casillas retires) and maybe RvP would even make the Spain bench.
Then just because you get into the Spanish squad, doesn't mean you are world class (Reina, Torres and Arbeloa are some recent examples of being nowhere near world class but still having been part of the Spanish squad for years).
In addition for example you have a world class player like Javi Martinez who gets selected but despite Xabi Alonso's injury at the Confed Cup only got a single full game against Tahiti, that's it. Apart from that only some meaningless minutes.
Herrera will get his senior call with Spain soon enough, but in the end it doesn't mean anything about his quality or for United.
Atletico's Gabi for example isn't a Spanish international either, still he has been miles better than any of our midfielder last season and also better last season than all of the midfielders who had been included in Spain's WC squad bar maybe Koke.
Trust me, Herrera's quality will be visible immediately and he will very quickly become a fan favourite and one of our most important players! Can't wait! Maybe I should buy a season ticket despite living in Germany
Also, what is the obsession with him not getting into the Spanish squad? As if this says anything about his quality.
Spanish -just like Brazilian - squads consist of quality players and at the same time there are so many equal - at times even better - players around, who don't make the squad because some other players in that same position are just truely world class. It's not like any of our current players bar DDG (only if Casillas retires) and maybe RvP would even make the Spain bench.
Then just because you get into the Spanish squad, doesn't mean you are world class (Reina, Torres and Arbeloa are some recent examples of being nowhere near world class but still having been part of the Spanish squad for years).
In addition for example you have a world class player like Javi Martinez who gets selected but despite Xabi Alonso's injury at the Confed Cup only got a single full game against Tahiti, that's it. Apart from that only some meaningless minutes.
Herrera will get his senior call with Spain soon enough, but in the end it doesn't mean anything about his quality or for United.
Atletico's Gabi for example isn't a Spanish international either, still he has been miles better than any of our midfielder last season and also better last season than all of the midfielders who had been included in Spain's WC squad bar maybe Koke.
Trust me, Herrera's quality will be visible immediately and he will very quickly become a fan favourite and one of our most important players! Can't wait! Maybe I should buy a season ticket despite living in Germany
Also @Annahnomoss
He has good statistical ratings too mate - 7.4 and 7.2 vs Barcelona, 7.3 vs Atletico, 7.8 vs Valencia, 8.9 vs Sevilla, 7.5 vs Madrid. Clearly a big match player.
I usually don't care much for Whoscored's overall statistics of the games - but I think you use them in a good sense. They don't tell much as you get points per correct dribble and so forth. Sometimes the worst player on the pitch got highest rating, like Evra for us as a positional mistake or a brutal mistake which lead to the team losing counts as much as a much less severe mistake. But like you said "statistically" he gets high ratings which I personally consider rather important.
What it shows is that of all the things one counts as positive, he racks up an awful lots of it meaning he has important qualities which he manages to do against the best(like you showed against the top teams) and his average rating of the season is high.
Who cares if he's capped or not? What a retarded argument
Agreed, it's not exactly the English team he can't get into.
Where the feck are those youtube videos we are all craving?!
Wonderful news really.
He is at the perfect point in his career to move to us aswell. He has outgrown Athetic, and is ready for the next step up. He will be hungry for success and will be giving 110%, rather than buying an experienced player who has been there and won it all, this lad will have fire in his belly.
From all accounts he seem's a genuine Utd player in both skill and attitude. Very happy.
He is at the perfect point in his career to move to us aswell. He has outgrown Athetic, and is ready for the next step up. He will be hungry for success and will be giving 110%, rather than buying an experienced player who has been there and won it all, this lad will have fire in his belly.
From all accounts he seem's a genuine Utd player in both skill and attitude. Very happy.
I suppose we shouldn't forget that, this lad went above and beyond what other players normally do and lowered his wage demands in order for us to sign him before we went and fecked that up. Shows a lot in how much he wanted to play for us. To top it off, he is also quite talented and would be an instant upgrade on our own midfield options.
I might be a little sentimental here, but I love this guys attitude. I think he will be a fan favorite here and I hope we get this deal done. We we're always going to pay over the odds it seems this window so feck it! Sign him!
I might be a little sentimental here, but I love this guys attitude. I think he will be a fan favorite here and I hope we get this deal done. We we're always going to pay over the odds it seems this window so feck it! Sign him!
I still can't believe people are using that to prove he isn't good enough, it's crazy!
Just passed medical being reported
Great, which source?
Finally some real quality in midfield, I can't wait to see him play in LvG's system. Great signing, he will be a class player for us and a regular in the Spanish national squad within his first season I reckon.
Err I wasn't particularly aware how the data was collected TBF mate. Thanks for explaining that particular part and yes, like you said the fact that statistics don't always portray a clear performance index over matches in isolation does resonate with me (good Evra example). However (again as you alluded) it bears noting that the best players are always the ones that are statistically near the top over the course of the full season - the likes of CR, Di Maria, Gabi, Suarez, Toure, Hazard, Ribery, Reus, Vidal, Pjanic, Benatia were the best performers overall and although not exact science it's a reliable barometer more often than not. In a similar vein (on top of the 10-15 Athletic matches I saw) Ander's aggregate performance index should point to the fact that he did rather well last term. In all honestly I'm pretty excited with the prospect of him - been following Ander since the U-21 Euros in 2011 and him, Mata with a more defensively stout midfielder lining up for us next season sounds brilliant.
Well said!
Just so you know; if you're lying, we're all going to hunt you down.
Cadena Ser, the people who broke the news yesterday about the Herrera deal.
In place of who?
Metro also saying he's passed a medical.
http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/24/ander...dical-ahead-of-28-7million-transfer-4774629/?
http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/24/ander...dical-ahead-of-28-7million-transfer-4774629/?
Medical info could be from this
http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/24/ander...edical-ahead-of-28-7million-transfer-4774629/
http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/24/ander...edical-ahead-of-28-7million-transfer-4774629/
Concentrating too much on statistics is useless lads. Judge a player by the way he performs on the pitch. I've seen Herrera two times when he played vs us in the EL, and perhaps three or four times after that when I saw Barca/Real matches. He never failed against them. We should be glad if we can sign him. Instant first team starter, and furthermore we can get rid of dross such as Cleverley, Fletcher and Anderson.
Xavi, Xabi or Xiniesta probably.
Err I wasn't particularly aware how the data was collected TBF mate. Thanks for explaining that particular part and yes, like you said the fact that statistics don't always portray a clear performance index over matches in isolation does resonate with me (good Evra example). However (again as you alluded) it bears noting that the best players are always the ones that are statistically near the top over the course of the full season - the likes of CR, Di Maria, Gabi, Suarez, Toure, Hazard, Ribery, Reus, Vidal, Pjanic, Benatia were the best performers overall and although not exact science it's a reliable barometer more often than not. In a similar vein (on top of the 10-15 Athletic matches I saw) Ander's aggregate performance index should point to the fact that he did rather well last season. In all honestly I'm pretty excited with the prospect of him, Mata and a more defensively stout midfielder next season.
Yeah, Evra is in the team of the season in the Whoscored statistics rating. Most likely because he has been great offensively this year even if he has been absolutely woeful defensively and lost us games on his own.
But like you said, the top players rack up the highest ratings and the ratings are created to put as many factors as possible in to it and Herrera comes out rated highly so that is great.
I agree, if we sign that defensively minded midfielder we will have an immense midfield, close to the best(Bayern doesn't count). I was hoping we would sign a winger as well, someone like Draxler who can play here and improve for the next decade with Januzaj.
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Cheers mate!
I think Xavi and Xabi Alonso are done now, that opens up 2 spaces. I'm not saying he will be a starter straight away for Spain but I can see him getting called up soon, after the World Cup they are probably eager to give other players a go.
at 23.32 pm?
could have been hours ago for all we know.
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