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Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!
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I checked the bbc pages for the lineups
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17216738
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17295990
Both times they had the 2 DMs in there. However De Marcos was there too and scored against us. Maybe Javi Martinez was playing CB then
not every touch in match matches the highest quality levels thats obviously because its just one game and you dont do only backheels flicks score screamers in one match against the best team in the country.. But I find some players interesting in details.. right the first moment in the video is brilliant 0:52 or so, he flicks the ball(almost dummies) behind him to teammate... that shows this awarness of the players around him in everything what he does.. reads the game well and can set up counterattacks while supporting them(with the ball at his feet) which is important, thats what fellaini fletcher, carrick can hardly do nowadays. His dribbling is much better than anyones of our CMs. and as some people here said, he always makes himself available and combines/holds the ball well in tight spaces, showing great balance at times.. he doesnt particulary stands out in one thing but hes such a great allrounder, helpfull in defending and atacking, not showning much of end product but sets up all kind of actions/attacks and disrupts opponents attacks, classic CM that we need.
Cleverleys game was okay alongisde carrick that match but thats about it, one game he stands out and in 15 hes not seen on the pitch, I see a higher potential in spaniard even because he´s confident enough to achieve things unlike clevz whos just doesnt trust himself and his abilities..
Ogden is incredible and reacted almost exactly like the Caf. First he was like WTF ? Nah... Then he started analysing stuff and boom - Confirmed, deal almost done etc.
It showed Ballague's Spain team for Euro 2016 and he had Herrera in there. Doesn't seem to like Mata much though.
Great news this. Not only for the fact that it's the signing we've spent an eternity waiting for, but also because it seems we've largely managed to keep it under wraps professionally. First time since Woodward has come in that we've managed to get business done without the circus antics.
You're correct. Javi Martinez played at CB in both those games. Bielsa went with a 4-3-3, and a midfield of Iturraspe, De Marcos and Herrera on both occasions.
ffs.
Signed for Sociedad in Jan. Will disappear completely sometime.
Except he didn't, though. You took a quote of his out of context and spent the summer banging on about it, in the face of every other fecker telling you that you were wrong.
And you were wrong.
Would you pay the same money for the players Spain prefer instead of him? Michu, Cazorla, Javi Garcia, Mario Suarez and Ander Iturraspe?
Thats why its expensive. Also because Rakitic is going for a lot cheaper and he's clearly the better option, hence Barcelona and Madrid fighting over him
Still time to feck it up.
He was good last season, very exciting at times. Perhaps he hasn't come on quite consistently as I'd imagined he would watching him dance all over Old Trafford in the 2012 Europa League. Like a lot of the team he suffered from the 2013 Marcelo Bielsa meltdown but he was a very important part of their charge for the Champions League this season. Still got magic in his boots, even if he does sometimes run into cul-de-sac's or lose the ball needlessly. Muniain's the Bilbao player with the greatest X factor, the one most likely to do something unpredictable or exciting.
There wasn't much circus around Mata either, to be fair.
Do you go out of your way to piss on people's chips, or does it just come naturally?
And how many times did sky bet have us odds on to sign, thiago / fabregas to name but two last summer?
Struggling to get his career back on track with Sociedad.
Posted by Graham Hunter
21 minutes ago
Herrera the right man for United
Herrera will celebrate his 25th birthday on August 14, two days before the start of the Premier League season.
The fact that Manchester United are negotiating with Athletic Club for Ander Herrera and are set to sign a deal for the player is the culmination of a couple of years of scouting, nibbling away at a transfer and then, finally, acting with determination.
It has been a financially and culturally complicated move but it is also the natural culmination of events which gathered speed exactly 10 months ago.
Ander Herrera and I have a mutual friend, acquired by chance during football work in Zaragoza and he phoned me on the night of Sunday, August 25 last year.
The message was clear: "Both Ander and Athletic know that United are advancing their interest in buying him before the market closes.
"He's happy at Athletic and it took him a long time to 'come home'.
(Herrera is Basque and Bilbao is the city which he regards as his own city but he grew up in Zaragoza thanks to the nomad life of a footballer - in this case his father).
"However," my friend continued, "he enjoyed the experience of the games against United in the Europa League, he fully understands what a powerful and ambitious club they are and so there's an interest on his part -- if United are fully serious about it."
The message was clear: Herrera wished to know United's intentions quickly and to avoid a situation dragging to the last day of the market, something that could cause anger and resentment among either the club's fans or his teammates.
It was about midnight in Spain when I took that call, 1 a.m. in England. But I texted David Moyes and the-then United manager got back to me within five minutes. Yes, we should speak.
It was clear that Moyes liked Herrera but very specifically said that to make such a huge financial outlay -- his first stellar signing as United manager -- he'd wanted to have much more personal time invested in assessing the player.
He liked him and a year and a half earlier wouldn't have hesitated to design him because his scouting of the young Basque midfielder was extremely detailed, but his "eyes-on" work on Herrera had diminished since.
Thus, his ideal position was to scout him for 6-12 months, get to Athletic games personally as well as listen to the United player assessors ... and then act or reject.
A couple of days later I got a text from Moyes to the effect that "the club", i.e. executive vice-chairman, Ed Woodward, had decided to go "all in" on the last day of the transfer window and to try and pull the deal off.
There was nothing wrong with that; some great deals have been done on the last day of the market.
But it began precisely a pattern the player wished to avoid. Athletic were unhappy with the late flurry of speculation and the embarrassment of lawyers turning up at the Spanish league offices without appearing to be properly authorized by the appropriate parties.
More, Athletic fans were already unhappy at how Javi Martinez left the club for Bayern and with the Fernando Llorente situation, which had seen the forward agree a summer move to Juventus the previous January.
After the move to Old Trafford fell through, Herrera held a press conference last summer to try to put the whole business to bed.
Following that, he found last season hugely satisfying and an advancement of his learning.
Ernesto Valverde has, as expected proved to be precisely the Marcelo Bielsa antidote which Athletic needed.
The club became more attacking, more compact, cleverer, more consistent, less injury-affected ... and successful.
While Herrera's position during parts of the season -- the middle creative player in the line of three in a 4-2-3-1 formation -- was something he found a test, he nonetheless won Valverde's confidence there.
But he thrived in the matches when he was given a controlling "pivote" role in the middle two in front of the back four and, by midway through the season, he was happy to brief off the record and say on it that he fully expected to stay, that the United deal was now history and that he was both happy and developing quickly as a player.
The last time I met David Moyes before he departed Old Trafford -- about three weeks prior -- I warned him that Herrera's buyout clause was contractually obliged to rise by six million euros to 42 million euros as soon as July began.
He passed that on. If Herrera succeeds at United then Man United fans will have something for which to thank their former manager. The deal is expensive but not as much as it might have been without that information.
That Herrera is now on the point of becoming a United player says several things.
First, Athletic have been true to their word: it has cost United the full existing buyout clause.
Second, United clearly saw that last season, during which he steered Athletic to a Champions League qualifying spot, was a major advancement in Ander Herrera's football learning -- he's now a top-rate European midfielder. Note the fact that he was on Vicente del Bosque's mind for the World Cup squad.
Playing for Louis van Gaal is a major factor in Herrera's desire to join Man United.
Third, the attraction of playing for and learning under Louis van Gaal is vastly important for Ander, who has precisely the kind of intelligent, ordered, technically high quality industry in midfield which can lend itself either to the 4-3-3 which United are more likely to enjoy under their new Dutch manager, or the 3-5-2 with which Holland undressed Spain.
Herrera is a European Under-21 champion and helped his club reach the Champions League. Think what it means for someone from Bilbao to take the team to Europe's elite competition in a brand new stadium, only to be persuaded to join United at a time when they won't be playing European football.
That's how persuasive the Van Gaal factor is.
United are buying a talented, professional, intelligent, articulate and aggressive midfielder who yearns to win trophies and to show his leadership.
I think they have done well here. Details remain and, as we've seen before, deals can fall down even at the last minute. But if all goes to plan, I expect United to get their man.
He's probably the right man, too.
21 minutes ago
Herrera the right man for United
Herrera will celebrate his 25th birthday on August 14, two days before the start of the Premier League season.
The fact that Manchester United are negotiating with Athletic Club for Ander Herrera and are set to sign a deal for the player is the culmination of a couple of years of scouting, nibbling away at a transfer and then, finally, acting with determination.
It has been a financially and culturally complicated move but it is also the natural culmination of events which gathered speed exactly 10 months ago.
Ander Herrera and I have a mutual friend, acquired by chance during football work in Zaragoza and he phoned me on the night of Sunday, August 25 last year.
The message was clear: "Both Ander and Athletic know that United are advancing their interest in buying him before the market closes.
"He's happy at Athletic and it took him a long time to 'come home'.
(Herrera is Basque and Bilbao is the city which he regards as his own city but he grew up in Zaragoza thanks to the nomad life of a footballer - in this case his father).
"However," my friend continued, "he enjoyed the experience of the games against United in the Europa League, he fully understands what a powerful and ambitious club they are and so there's an interest on his part -- if United are fully serious about it."
The message was clear: Herrera wished to know United's intentions quickly and to avoid a situation dragging to the last day of the market, something that could cause anger and resentment among either the club's fans or his teammates.
It was about midnight in Spain when I took that call, 1 a.m. in England. But I texted David Moyes and the-then United manager got back to me within five minutes. Yes, we should speak.
It was clear that Moyes liked Herrera but very specifically said that to make such a huge financial outlay -- his first stellar signing as United manager -- he'd wanted to have much more personal time invested in assessing the player.
He liked him and a year and a half earlier wouldn't have hesitated to design him because his scouting of the young Basque midfielder was extremely detailed, but his "eyes-on" work on Herrera had diminished since.
Thus, his ideal position was to scout him for 6-12 months, get to Athletic games personally as well as listen to the United player assessors ... and then act or reject.
A couple of days later I got a text from Moyes to the effect that "the club", i.e. executive vice-chairman, Ed Woodward, had decided to go "all in" on the last day of the transfer window and to try and pull the deal off.
There was nothing wrong with that; some great deals have been done on the last day of the market.
But it began precisely a pattern the player wished to avoid. Athletic were unhappy with the late flurry of speculation and the embarrassment of lawyers turning up at the Spanish league offices without appearing to be properly authorized by the appropriate parties.
More, Athletic fans were already unhappy at how Javi Martinez left the club for Bayern and with the Fernando Llorente situation, which had seen the forward agree a summer move to Juventus the previous January.
After the move to Old Trafford fell through, Herrera held a press conference last summer to try to put the whole business to bed.
Following that, he found last season hugely satisfying and an advancement of his learning.
Ernesto Valverde has, as expected proved to be precisely the Marcelo Bielsa antidote which Athletic needed.
The club became more attacking, more compact, cleverer, more consistent, less injury-affected ... and successful.
While Herrera's position during parts of the season -- the middle creative player in the line of three in a 4-2-3-1 formation -- was something he found a test, he nonetheless won Valverde's confidence there.
But he thrived in the matches when he was given a controlling "pivote" role in the middle two in front of the back four and, by midway through the season, he was happy to brief off the record and say on it that he fully expected to stay, that the United deal was now history and that he was both happy and developing quickly as a player.
The last time I met David Moyes before he departed Old Trafford -- about three weeks prior -- I warned him that Herrera's buyout clause was contractually obliged to rise by six million euros to 42 million euros as soon as July began.
He passed that on. If Herrera succeeds at United then Man United fans will have something for which to thank their former manager. The deal is expensive but not as much as it might have been without that information.
That Herrera is now on the point of becoming a United player says several things.
First, Athletic have been true to their word: it has cost United the full existing buyout clause.
Second, United clearly saw that last season, during which he steered Athletic to a Champions League qualifying spot, was a major advancement in Ander Herrera's football learning -- he's now a top-rate European midfielder. Note the fact that he was on Vicente del Bosque's mind for the World Cup squad.
Playing for Louis van Gaal is a major factor in Herrera's desire to join Man United.
Third, the attraction of playing for and learning under Louis van Gaal is vastly important for Ander, who has precisely the kind of intelligent, ordered, technically high quality industry in midfield which can lend itself either to the 4-3-3 which United are more likely to enjoy under their new Dutch manager, or the 3-5-2 with which Holland undressed Spain.
Herrera is a European Under-21 champion and helped his club reach the Champions League. Think what it means for someone from Bilbao to take the team to Europe's elite competition in a brand new stadium, only to be persuaded to join United at a time when they won't be playing European football.
That's how persuasive the Van Gaal factor is.
United are buying a talented, professional, intelligent, articulate and aggressive midfielder who yearns to win trophies and to show his leadership.
I think they have done well here. Details remain and, as we've seen before, deals can fall down even at the last minute. But if all goes to plan, I expect United to get their man.
He's probably the right man, too.
I wouldn't stick my neck out and say Schweinstiger is coming, but those are the odds as things stand.
Sorry I wasn't saying "he definitely played in the hole", nor that he was Oscar in Chelsea's formation. I was saying that the difference between playing as the advanced midfielder in a 3 and playing in the hole when you're a player who makes 2 or 3 tackles regardless of where you're picked, it can be hard to tell the difference. There's a number of yards difference positionally and more of a defensive responsibility if you're in the midfield 3, but again if its a player going around making tackles it can muddy the water. You are probably right about him playing like Di Maria as the advanced player of a midfield 3
That's true. Although you might argue that transfer was done as more of a statement than anything else. We really needed some sort of victory around that time as it was all going so wrong, yet Moyes clearly didn't have any idea where to fit him in. I do love Mata though and think he will be great for us moving forward with LVG and beyond.
Do you remember every detail of matches 2-3 years ago?
I dont.
I said that because Pogue has been arguing in the Nani thread for days about a match he didnt watch
The opposition fans in this thread trying to play this signing down 
I fecking hate Graham Hunter.
Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, HEY EVERYBODY LOOK HOW IMPORTANT I AM.
feck off Graham.
Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, HEY EVERYBODY LOOK HOW IMPORTANT I AM.
feck off Graham.
The big point in this which Graham stressed is how big a factor Van Gaal could be when it comes to transfers.Posted by Graham Hunter
21 minutes ago
Herrera the right man for United
Herrera will celebrate his 25th birthday on August 14, two days before the start of the Premier League season.
The fact that Manchester United are negotiating with Athletic Club for Ander Herrera and are set to sign a deal for the player is the culmination of a couple of years of scouting, nibbling away at a transfer and then, finally, acting with determination.
It has been a financially and culturally complicated move but it is also the natural culmination of events which gathered speed exactly 10 months ago.
Ander Herrera and I have a mutual friend, acquired by chance during football work in Zaragoza and he phoned me on the night of Sunday, August 25 last year.
The message was clear: "Both Ander and Athletic know that United are advancing their interest in buying him before the market closes.
"He's happy at Athletic and it took him a long time to 'come home'.
(Herrera is Basque and Bilbao is the city which he regards as his own city but he grew up in Zaragoza thanks to the nomad life of a footballer - in this case his father).
"However," my friend continued, "he enjoyed the experience of the games against United in the Europa League, he fully understands what a powerful and ambitious club they are and so there's an interest on his part -- if United are fully serious about it."
The message was clear: Herrera wished to know United's intentions quickly and to avoid a situation dragging to the last day of the market, something that could cause anger and resentment among either the club's fans or his teammates.
It was about midnight in Spain when I took that call, 1 a.m. in England. But I texted David Moyes and the-then United manager got back to me within five minutes. Yes, we should speak.
It was clear that Moyes liked Herrera but very specifically said that to make such a huge financial outlay -- his first stellar signing as United manager -- he'd wanted to have much more personal time invested in assessing the player.
He liked him and a year and a half earlier wouldn't have hesitated to design him because his scouting of the young Basque midfielder was extremely detailed, but his "eyes-on" work on Herrera had diminished since.
Thus, his ideal position was to scout him for 6-12 months, get to Athletic games personally as well as listen to the United player assessors ... and then act or reject.
A couple of days later I got a text from Moyes to the effect that "the club", i.e. executive vice-chairman, Ed Woodward, had decided to go "all in" on the last day of the transfer window and to try and pull the deal off.
There was nothing wrong with that; some great deals have been done on the last day of the market.
But it began precisely a pattern the player wished to avoid. Athletic were unhappy with the late flurry of speculation and the embarrassment of lawyers turning up at the Spanish league offices without appearing to be properly authorized by the appropriate parties.
More, Athletic fans were already unhappy at how Javi Martinez left the club for Bayern and with the Fernando Llorente situation, which had seen the forward agree a summer move to Juventus the previous January.
After the move to Old Trafford fell through, Herrera held a press conference last summer to try to put the whole business to bed.
Following that, he found last season hugely satisfying and an advancement of his learning.
Ernesto Valverde has, as expected proved to be precisely the Marcelo Bielsa antidote which Athletic needed.
The club became more attacking, more compact, cleverer, more consistent, less injury-affected ... and successful.
While Herrera's position during parts of the season -- the middle creative player in the line of three in a 4-2-3-1 formation -- was something he found a test, he nonetheless won Valverde's confidence there.
But he thrived in the matches when he was given a controlling "pivote" role in the middle two in front of the back four and, by midway through the season, he was happy to brief off the record and say on it that he fully expected to stay, that the United deal was now history and that he was both happy and developing quickly as a player.
The last time I met David Moyes before he departed Old Trafford -- about three weeks prior -- I warned him that Herrera's buyout clause was contractually obliged to rise by six million euros to 42 million euros as soon as July began.
He passed that on. If Herrera succeeds at United then Man United fans will have something for which to thank their former manager. The deal is expensive but not as much as it might have been without that information.
That Herrera is now on the point of becoming a United player says several things.
First, Athletic have been true to their word: it has cost United the full existing buyout clause.
Second, United clearly saw that last season, during which he steered Athletic to a Champions League qualifying spot, was a major advancement in Ander Herrera's football learning -- he's now a top-rate European midfielder. Note the fact that he was on Vicente del Bosque's mind for the World Cup squad.
Playing for Louis van Gaal is a major factor in Herrera's desire to join Man United.
Third, the attraction of playing for and learning under Louis van Gaal is vastly important for Ander, who has precisely the kind of intelligent, ordered, technically high quality industry in midfield which can lend itself either to the 4-3-3 which United are more likely to enjoy under their new Dutch manager, or the 3-5-2 with which Holland undressed Spain.
Herrera is a European Under-21 champion and helped his club reach the Champions League. Think what it means for someone from Bilbao to take the team to Europe's elite competition in a brand new stadium, only to be persuaded to join United at a time when they won't be playing European football.
That's how persuasive the Van Gaal factor is.
United are buying a talented, professional, intelligent, articulate and aggressive midfielder who yearns to win trophies and to show his leadership.
I think they have done well here. Details remain and, as we've seen before, deals can fall down even at the last minute. But if all goes to plan, I expect United to get their man.
He's probably the right man, too.
Nein.
At Old Trafford Amorebieta was serving his ban (red card in the match against CSKA Moscow) while Aitor Ocio, Xabi Castillo and Iban Zubiaurre were injured. So Martinez played in the centre of defence with Aurtenetxe, San Jose, Iraola. The midfield was Iturraspe, Herrera, De Marcos with Susaeta, Llorente, Muniain up-front.
At San Mames Martinez again played in defence with Amorebieta returning from suspension and Aurtenetxe, Iraola at wideback. Their midfield was similarly Iturraspe, Herrera, De Marcos with Susaeta, Llorente, Muniain in a three pronged attack.
Ander was probably their most important player besides Muniain, Llorente and Iraola. And certainly their best central midfielder. The link-up to Llorente was largely handled by De Marcos and Susaeta while Ander and Iturraspe controlled the centre.
So when/if he signs, are we going to give Moyes a little thumbs-up for having some taste? Or is it still knives out?
Standard Mcfeckwit tactics. Be exposed saying something blatantly incorrect, then obfuscate furiously until everyone gets too bored to press the issue any more. It's as predictable as it is tedious.
Definitely a thumbs up if he turns out to be brilliant. Unforuntate that he wouldnt get full credit, for not securing the deal.
On the other hand if he doesn't do very well, Moyes cant be blamed
Yeah I've never said someone else is right. Definitely not on this page, today. Good to see you're as spot on as usual
2 years and 4 months = almost 4 years?
You were adamant his role in that game was "linking the midfield with the lone striker Fernando Llorente." You were pretty bullish about it. You then went onto mock spomeone else for relying on articles to make their point. You only realised you were wrong when you then went and consulted such an article for yourself.
Maybe don't be so argumentative about a point of fact when you clearly are pretty shaky on said facts.
The first question I'd like answered is: If Moyes was in for him why did the transfer go so spectacularly wrong last summer? The consensus among the journalists closest to United seems to be that Moyes was more sure about Fellaini, because he had not scouted Herrera himself. If that's true then Moyes deserves no credit at all. United's scouts had been watching Herrera for years and had suggested him to the hierarchy as someone who could do the business here.
If we sign Herrera Moyes' main contribution to that process will have been delaying the move for a year, something that may have directly contributed to our first 7th placed Premier League finish. Had he strengthened our midfield last summer we might be in the European Cup next year.
Moyes' acolytes in the media need to stop with these Moyes was gonna stories. Moyes was gonna sign Thiago but Giggs stopped him, Moyes was gonna sign Herrera when the window opened. Enough of what Moyes was going to do. I only care about what he actually did: drag United down.
Just one more point on this position thing, Graham Hunter seems to be implying that he didn't even play exclusively as a #10 under Valverde:
I was a member of this forum back then, and trust me there was a lot of interest in those two. From the media anyway, it was hazard/sanchez/robinho as ronaldo replacement and benzema as tevez's.
I checked an article because I dont remember the exact 22 players from a match several years ago. Sorry for using the internet
No problem, counting can be hard.
Do you always work so hard to blur the issue when you're wrong?
Hardly worth the hassle in the long run.
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