Can we please stop talking about fecking Fabregas.
Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!
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the athletic ceo(or whatever) has confirmed that a bid was made. he has not named the club who made the bid. can we still assume that a bid from us for herrera has been confirmed?
Am I right in thinking that Bibao have only sold one player for money in the last 3 years and that was Javi Martinez for £40m... other then that, they seem happy to just let people run down their contracts... (see Llorente) so basically, it seems like they're hardballing feckers and we'd be unlikely to get this fella in unless we pay well over the odds. (release clause + extra bollocks on top).
It's all conjecture, and nobody knows for sure what went on, but the criticism of UNited's making various bids I don't understand. The allegation seems to be that if they'd bid a huge sum of money and Barca couldnt turn it down that would have changed Fabregas' outlook - which I cant understand, especially as he has ultimately seemingly received the assurances he was looking for.
The transfer took the ordinary course that most eventually succesful transfers take, and the club did what a sensible buying club do in trying to get a player as cheaply as possible. He arguably wasnt a key player at Barca, maybe wasnt happy about that and £35 million is an awful lot of money.
Clearly, with new people in charge, United didn't want to make themselves look like mugs by piling in with a massive bid - because it sets the tone of what goes in the future, and I can understand that.
They were seemingly prepared to pay more than £35 million but the player obviously poured cold water on it - so I dont see what relevance the initial bid has.
Look... its a bit like dating ... you cant always sleep with the first girl you meet especially when you look like ol Woody!
Based on what?
Based on us not being thick enough to have a month long drawn out saga without ascertaining from the player's camp his willingness to move first.
Not neccessarily - and I dont think it would ever be that simple. Every player has his price - a daft offer might be accepted, but they still might want to keep the player. One doesnt follow the other.
Based on his interview...
That's not in any interview I've read. What he said was he wanted assurances over his first team future, which is not the same as saying you want a move.
Infact, he seemed to be very careful not to say he wanted a move - any suggestion he did seemed to be nothing more than speculation.
It was just a general remark not lined to Herrera. I've never actually seen him play except at OT. I'd forgotten he existed.
Our transfer record is only £30m. This is 2013. You will need to double that amount to get anywhere near the 'top bracket' of midfielders. £31m should not be expected to get you one of the world's best, at 24 years old, unless there is a contractual loophole.
Marta Bausells has been in contact and translated the tweets from the Athletic Bilbao account regarding that bid for Ander Herrera. Thank you Marta! I think it is important to point out that the tweets don't name United or the reported bid, €30m, but it is understood (I love that term) that it is indeed United and that the bid was indeed €30m.
Here are the translated tweets, from oldest to newest.
"There's an offer for @anderherrera8”
"Our club is different, it's based on feelings. Our goal is not to make money"
"We got the bid last night, and we have already communicated that we do not negotiate for our players"
"In order for a player to leave, first the player has to voice his desire to abandon the Club and deposit the clause"
"For us Athletic is a unique Club. Players have to feel it this way"
Here are the translated tweets, from oldest to newest.
"There's an offer for @anderherrera8”
"Our club is different, it's based on feelings. Our goal is not to make money"
"We got the bid last night, and we have already communicated that we do not negotiate for our players"
"In order for a player to leave, first the player has to voice his desire to abandon the Club and deposit the clause"
"For us Athletic is a unique Club. Players have to feel it this way"
He said at the start of the summer than the only way he'd leave is if Barca accepted a bid. Therefore, if we actually offered a decent bid for him and Barca accepted, he'd be willing to listen to the offer. We didn't ever test Barcas resolve because we never produced a decent bid for him, we offered a very low and perhaps one could say, insulting bid for him.
Either way it's all history now and we'll never know what would have happened had we offered 45-50m for him. This conversation should also be in a different thread.
This pretty much confirms we were in for Thiago for me anyway. Thiago would have cost less money, is younger and the better player.
""There's an offer for @anderherrera8”
"Our club is different, it's based on feelings. Our goal is not to make money"
"We got the bid last night, and we have already communicated that we do not negotiate for our players"
"In order for a player to leave, first the player has to voice his desire to abandon the Club and deposit the clause"
"For us Athletic is a unique Club. Players have to feel it this way"
http://www.theguardian.com/football...news-latest-bale-fellaini-baines-eriksen-live
"Our club is different, it's based on feelings. Our goal is not to make money"
"We got the bid last night, and we have already communicated that we do not negotiate for our players"
"In order for a player to leave, first the player has to voice his desire to abandon the Club and deposit the clause"
"For us Athletic is a unique Club. Players have to feel it this way"
http://www.theguardian.com/football...news-latest-bale-fellaini-baines-eriksen-live
He never said that IIRC.
They'll make us do what they did with Bayern and Martinez. Told you, amol.
How long will it take to give him the dump truck of money?
Yeah...
Basically making all this public means "We are definitely interested in your monies and you can have the player. Just pay the clause"
Cex?
What does "deposit the clause" mean? Are they expecting Herrera to pay the fee himself and incur the added income tax?
Athletic Bilbao president president Josu Urrutia claims to have rejected a 30million euros (£26m) bid for midfielder Ander Herrera from Manchester United.
by simon.wilkes2 3:29 PMTHAT'S NEW THANKS FOR THAT SCORPY X
It seems so. Like Bayern did with Martinez. We need Bayern's lawyers ASAP.
I posted it because we're mentioned in there, unlike the other bullshits about the bid for him. Sky are saying it like the bid is confirmed to be from us.
edit: now they changed it to ''believed to be from Manchester United''. Sneeky bastards.
I'd say that shows we're not willing to pay market rate rather than him being useless. We could have had most of those players if we wants to pay the asking prices
I keep on reading how our bid or deal for Thiago failed. Is it just me or did we never bid for Thiago?
We didn't. By most accounts Moyes was offered a chance to place a bid but declined it. There wasn't really a chance of us bidding and not having the bid instantly accepted seeing as his release clause was crazy low - unless Woody decided to offer £10m.
This guy must be plan F.
He said we never spoke to him, don't know if we made any contact with Barcelona though. The deal was never close, regardless of the bullshit from Sport and ESPN.
You're right.
We had a word with his dad and got told "no dice". We never got anywhere near talking to Barca or his actual agent.
We do like these 26mil bids.
Yeah, the last I read, it said Moyes had concerns about how he'd adapt etc...yet I keep on reading about how we apparently "failed" to land Thiago here on the Caf etc.
Maybe thats our full transfer budget
No, it isn't. He means to do to us what he did to Bayern.
I'd rather think we made a bid to sign Thiago at 20m and failed than not trying to sign him because Moyes thought he wasn't good enough for the premier league, especially now we've decided to bid 30m on Herrera three days before the window shuts. The former scenario is a lot more comforting and is much better for my blood pressure.
We've never made a BID for Thiago because it was never the issue. It was about agreeing a deal with the player and the player deciding to join us. Triggering the release clause was the easy part. Whether Thiago chose Bayern or we were never in the races... Who knows.
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