Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!

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diamond for sure... in a midfield 3, he should play where Kagawa and Rooney are playing, so no upgrade there.

----------Jones----------
Herrera----------Giggs (carrick)
---------Kagawa-------------
----RVP---------Rooney-------
 
Big Papi said:
If we got him in January, where does he play? What's the best United team, with him in the squad?
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I'm good at this game.

De Gea, Rafael, Jones, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Herrera, Nani, Rooney, Januzaj, van Persie (we hate Welbeck, Valencia and Kagawa this week).
 
That front 6 looks good. If we got a good defender in to replace Evra next year, maybe a CB, aren't we back on track?

Also, as Carrick nears his End of Days, does Fellaini come in with Herrera?
 
Brophs said:
We'll do an FM style bidding cycle. Start at something low-ish, like €20m, work our way up to our final offer of €30m, then a few weeks later make our original offer of €20m.
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I shouldn't laugh but :lol:
 
George Owen said:
diamond for sure... in a midfield 3, he should play where Kagawa and Rooney are playing, so no upgrade there.

----------Jones----------
Herrera----------carrick
---------Kagawa-------------
----RVP---------Rooney-------
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Like this. We need another signing to ahve in place of Jones though.
 
Do we really think we'll sign him now ? After what happened in the summer, he'd still be interested to join Utd ? Will we use the 3 amigos to close the deal :lol: ?
 
We won't pay the fee required. I at least hope the months he's had at the job allow Moyes to get to January with other names in mind.
 
Big Papi said:
If we got him in January, where does he play? What's the best United team, with him in the squad?
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He'd naturally play next to Carrick. He usually plays in a three though, and would probably excel with players closer to him to work with than he would probably get here, where they are all 20 yards away.
 
Big Papi said:
That front 6 looks good. If we got a good defender in to replace Evra next year, maybe a CB, aren't we back on track?

Also, as Carrick nears his End of Days, does Fellaini come in with Herrera?
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No.
 
kouroux said:
Do we really think we'll sign him now ? After what happened in the summer, he'd still be interested to join Utd ? Will we use the 3 amigos to close the deal :lol: ?
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He's certainly towards the top end of the calibre of player we could attract. Having not had a great start to the season with Bilbao and being in and out of their side I'd guess he would take the transfer to United if the opportunity arose.

Problem is almost everyone in the world other than Edward know it'll take the full 36m Euros to get it done. If he wastes more time negotiating with Bilbao when they clearly aren't a club who negotiates you have to question the intelligence of the man. Bloody JP Morgan wanker.
 
Cass said we were signing Lucas. He is guessing.

Anyway, Herrera is overpriced at what they are asking, but that's his release clause and Bilbao don't budge on them. That's the release clause, that's what you pay. We are once again wasting everyone's time if we try to haggle them. He's 24 though with a very good football grounding and I think would improve while playing for us.
 
Sixpence said:
Cass said we were signing Lucas. He is guessing.

Anyway, Herrera is overpriced at what they are asking, but that's his release clause and Bilbao don't budge on them. That's the release clause, that's what you pay. We are once again wasting everyone's time if we try to haggle them. He's 24 though with a very good football grounding and I think would improve while playing for us.
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We overpayed for Carrick at the time but it doesn't seem that way in hindsight as he's become such a key fixture for the team. I wonder if it might be similar with Herrera? Take the hit and overpay for him now, but that'll be forgotten if we get 8 or so years of him as a lynchpin of the team. If we're convinced that he's good enough that is...
 
Raven Blade said:
While he's a decent player, he's not worth the price tag they've put on him. I think our desperation for a midfielder could lead to us overpaying again. That's the situation we've found ourselves in. His stats aren't all that impressive and he's been struggling to get in their team for a long time. If that's due in part to our supposed interest in him, it's not a good sign about his mentality. We don't want to see players wilting when the spotlight is magnified on them.



Not likely, considering the quality of midfielders they keep producing. Herrera is yet to earn a single senior cap for Spain at the age of 24 and he isn't even selected in their squads. Meanwhile younger players than him such as Thiago, Isco and Koke are being played and they've got others in the pipeline. The fact they're ignoring him indicates what level they think he's at.
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It's clear that you don't follow Spanish football that close. But, we won't get the answer for some time.
 
Donut said:
Is he actually worth this kind of money? Every time I see him play, he seems like an average player with a decent engine. Sort of like a bit more adventerous Cleverley.

We should add 10 million and buy genuine quality.
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Haven't seen enough of him to comment on his quality but I've seen a fair few journalists say he's a leader, a potential captain and someone with a bit of attitude. That alone would probably make him a step up on Cleverley.
 
I fecking love when people start posting formations with a player that we haven't even signed and have possibly no wish to sign..It's hilarious!

Football Manager has a lot to answer for
 
he's not a small lad. I was thinking Juninho-type player. When he comes, he might add bit of fight to the team. Fellaini to improve himself, Herrera to improve the team. I feel the negativity of Wednesday dissipating already. Close the gap to 6 by the New Year......
 
On the Spanish national team issue. Del Bosque is looking at players who can come into the squad/XI as direct, present-style replacements. Herrera is more like an English midfielder than a Spanish one. He's not a Xavi, Iniesta or a Busquets, which makes him hard to just slot into the team. Even Fabregas and Alonso are viewed with suspicion in Spain.

How would we use him? I don't know. I'll say that if we can use Cleverly, Giggs, Anderson, Jones or Fellaini in midfield - we can use Ander.

Is he the best way of spending £30m or so? Again, I don't know. Koke, Gundogan, Rakitic, others - plenty more fish in the sea. Some of them cheaper. Some safer bets, but more expensive. I do think he'd be good for us though.
 
:lol: Just remembered this.

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Oh how the summer window amused me.
 
Has Rakitic' development sky-rocketed in the last years or is he being overrated here? He was fine at Schalke first; was very, very bad in his last Bundesliga matches I watched but that's years ago.
 
Jamie Jackson seems to think United have learned nothing about Athletic Bilbao. The Basque club cannot be lowballed.
 
Who's the idiot here? Woodward/the Club/Moyes or Cass? We'll overpay in January or we'll overpay in a World Cup summer. Those are the choices. Sacrificing any chance of the Champions League to pinch pennies, to ultimately not save any money, is moronic. That means it's probably what Woodward and Moyes plan to do based on this past summer.
 
If the January transfer window turns into a repeat of our summer (illogical transfer strategies, unrealistic valuations, delay, panic) then the atmosphere around the club will turn really poisonous.

Surely they're not that stupid? What would be the point of going back for Herrera if they're just going repeat what happened last time? Then I think of those repeated bids for Baines and I worry...
 
Jaap said:
Has Rakitic' development sky-rocketed in the last years or is he being overrated here? He was fine at Schalke first; was very, very bad in his last Bundesliga matches I watched but that's years ago.
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Yes it has. A very good CM for me, creative, goal threat and has a bit of bite in him. A good leader on the pitch too. But that's for the Rakitic thread and not the Herrera thread! :p
 
sullydnl said:
If the January transfer window turns into a repeat of our summer (illogical transfer strategies, unrealistic valuations, delay, panic) then the atmosphere around the club will turn really poisonous.

Surely they're not that stupid? What would be the point of going back for Herrera if they're just going repeat what happened last time? Then I think of those repeated bids for Baines and I worry...
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No matter what happens, the papers will try and make out that we're fecking up deals again just to get hits and sell papers. Some of our supporters will lap it all up as usual.
 
FCBarca said:
Jamie Jackson seems to think United have learned nothing about Athletic Bilbao. The Basque club cannot be lowballed.
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Ed Woodward is fully aware of this, and he has even explained it in an interview with UWS recently, which makes what went on in the summer transfer window even more frustrating. He seemed to think he could haggle a deal based on us playing preseason games at their new stadium but they told him to do one. I hope he's got the message and if he approaches them again (which I hope he does) it's with nothing less than the release clause. We don't need to spend another window faffing around and ending up with somebody just plain awful.
 
LR7 said:
Ed Woodward is fully aware of this, and he has even explained it in an interview with UWS recently, which makes what went on in the summer transfer window even more frustrating. He seemed to think he could haggle a deal based on us playing preseason games at their new stadium but they told him to do one. I hope he's got the message and if he approaches them again (which I hope he does) it's with nothing less than the release clause. We don't need to spend another window faffing around and ending up with somebody just plain awful.
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Unless he thinks that, with Herrera out of form and playing less, they'll now be receptive to a similar bid?
 
sullydnl said:
Unless he thinks that, with Herrera out of form and playing less, they'll now be receptive to a similar bid?
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Well they seem to be willing to cut their nose off to spite their face. Didn't Llorente go on a free because they wouldn't sell for less than his clause (I don't know the exact details). I wouldn't bet on any bargains so don't think we should waste time and energy trying to lowball. From what Woodard said in that interview though it seemed very definite. We don't value him at the release clause so we won't be buying him. Full stop. I'm not sure what will have changed with him playing less.
 
Drainy said:
According to Cass the Glazers won't sack Moyes even if we finish outside of the top 4, and he'll be given the chance to improve upon the 'mediocrity' in the summer.
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Easier said than done. If Moyes really does take this squad out of the top four then the backlash will be unseen. It will be ugly.
 
pocco said:
Let's face it, the club aren't stupid. Based Woodwards UWS interview, it seemed that the whole saga was a bit more straightforward than the papers made out. We offered a price, they asked for the release clause, we said no.
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Precisely. If we do indeed go in for him again it will surely be because we've a) decided to pay the release clause or b) they have somehow decided to do a deal of some sort. In the same interview Woodward claimed to know the president - that probably doesn't mean they're mates, but it should mean he won't get tangled up in anything utterly pointless here.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Inter are more likely to be in the Champions League next season than us, why would he leave?
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In that case, the way things are currently going why would any top player want to join us? Serie A is a poor league and we offer the chance to join a world renowned team in the best league in the world. And possibly more money than he is earning at Inter.
 
rooneyaldo said:
In that case, the way things are currently going why would any top player want to join us? Serie A is a poor league and we offer the chance to join a world renowned team in the best league in the world. And possibly more money than he is earning at Inter.
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At this very moment in time, top players would join us for the money.
 
rooneyaldo said:
In that case, the way things are currently going why would any top player want to join us? Serie A is a poor league and we offer the chance to join a world renowned team in the best league in the world. And possibly more money than he is earning at Inter.
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why Inter would sell him? thats the issue...
 
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