Something along those lines. I know a lot of journalists (Andy Mitten?) were reporting that he was pretty devastated that it didn't actually go through and it was only very late on that he found out it hadn't.
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Nothing new, he's lost a bit of form I believe. Some suspect that his hearts already in Manchester.
I just meant with him not playing much.
Didn't Herrera dismiss that? It can't have been true if our interest had ended well before deadline day anyway.
If the above is true, it's clear that Woodward is talking out of his arse. I remember reading at the time that Bilbao had 'blocked' the transaction and there were reports in Spain that a private apology was given to the law firm that turned out at the Liga offices. The posts are probably in this thread actually, but there's no way that Herrera would have been ready for a medical, saying goodbye, and agreed a squad number and wages had we not been actively pursuing his purchase on deadline day, all of which was reported by a number of outlets, both in Spain and England.
Woodward is saving face. I can well imagine that our negotiation team just weren't knowledgeable enough about what Bilbao could do to prevent the transfer from going ahead. Or do you people really believe that we just left it after the first bid, and all of the aforementioned reports, the Martinez lawyers turning up at the offices and the brash reports via Balague were all in fact a coincidence or lie? I'd love to hear the truth.
As for Herrera, it's probably messed his head a little. There was plenty of praise for him prior to and during our little saga, so there's clearly a very good midfielder there. I don't think his game is very suited to playing so high up the field, though.
Woodward is saving face. I can well imagine that our negotiation team just weren't knowledgeable enough about what Bilbao could do to prevent the transfer from going ahead. Or do you people really believe that we just left it after the first bid, and all of the aforementioned reports, the Martinez lawyers turning up at the offices and the brash reports via Balague were all in fact a coincidence or lie? I'd love to hear the truth.
As for Herrera, it's probably messed his head a little. There was plenty of praise for him prior to and during our little saga, so there's clearly a very good midfielder there. I don't think his game is very suited to playing so high up the field, though.
I don't remember this. Also Balague is a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime and shouldn't be trusted.
I never mentioned Balague...
fecking hell. United were only going to go over Bilbaos heads if they paid the release clause. They were never ever going to pay 30m for him.
Show your proof. Don't just refer to "reports in Spain" that you read in a muppet fever months ago.
I'm happy to believe the club over a media that continually slags us and says we're done for, especially since they've been consistently saying it for the last 8 years or more and still have not been proved correct.
That was in reply to Kag who has it out for Woodward.
Or... We had a price they wanted the buyout and we looked elsewhere. Which had already been stated! We also bid for Ozil on deadline day too if reports were to be believe and he was waiting for us at his hotel before deciding Arsenal.
So why quote me you mysterious devil?
I don't remember the bit about Herrera being devastated about the transfer not going through. Sorry should have separated the sentences
I'll expand... Do you still think they will value him at his buyout clause? I know what we did.
It happened Mel, I was there, I saw it, it was heartbreaking.I don't remember the bit about Herrera being devastated about the transfer not going through. Sorry should have separated the sentences
Bet you didn't even offer him a shoulder to cry on you heartless person.
But anyway, can't see this transfer happening. United don't value him at the buyout clause and I believe it rises to 40m next sumner.
I'm on my phone, so copying and pasting is a nightmare, I'll try to post the links I can find when I get my laptop working. But I'll explain. I remember reading on deadline day via the Mail that the squad number - 21? - was agreed, as were the wages which had been reduced of his own accord. The same report also mentioned the match in support of the stadium.
Then there was something I read on here actually, posted on this thread maybe, which was quite in depth, which discussed how Bilbao can effectively block money from entering their account, which would then take input and effectively, 'pressure', from the Spanish government to push the deal through. I'm not saying this is gospel, mind, however it adds to the discussion. I think it was a tactic that Bilbao attempted to slow down the Martinez deal, so I recall.
It would actually make a lot of sense. Like I said, Balague, and yes he is a moron, reported with authority that we would meet the release clause. Those lawyers were present and were involved in the Martinez deal. And yes, there were reports coming from the Telegraph and the Mail that we had agreed the finer details with Herrera himself. It is plausible that we were in fact actually ready to pay the release clause, for Bilbao to use any loopholes to their advantage. Acting as if we didn't value him so highly instead of admitting the complications of what may have happened is a lot easier.
I find it hard to believe, as much as people may pretend the media despise United, that so much nonsense would be reported throughout that day. That is a lot of lies from a lot of different people. An inexperienced chief executive underestimating the complications of the deal isn't too hard to believe.
Then there was something I read on here actually, posted on this thread maybe, which was quite in depth, which discussed how Bilbao can effectively block money from entering their account, which would then take input and effectively, 'pressure', from the Spanish government to push the deal through. I'm not saying this is gospel, mind, however it adds to the discussion. I think it was a tactic that Bilbao attempted to slow down the Martinez deal, so I recall.
It would actually make a lot of sense. Like I said, Balague, and yes he is a moron, reported with authority that we would meet the release clause. Those lawyers were present and were involved in the Martinez deal. And yes, there were reports coming from the Telegraph and the Mail that we had agreed the finer details with Herrera himself. It is plausible that we were in fact actually ready to pay the release clause, for Bilbao to use any loopholes to their advantage. Acting as if we didn't value him so highly instead of admitting the complications of what may have happened is a lot easier.
I find it hard to believe, as much as people may pretend the media despise United, that so much nonsense would be reported throughout that day. That is a lot of lies from a lot of different people. An inexperienced chief executive underestimating the complications of the deal isn't too hard to believe.
You know United valued him at his buyout clause of 30m? No, I think you've zero evidence of that claim.
"Reports". The Daily Mail and Guillem fecking Ballague. What did the Metro say? And Daily Star?
Can I sell you a bridge?
Pretend? I'll have whatever glue you're sniffing, fella!
I was asked what was reported and I've tried to explain it as best I can. I'm not going to dismiss everything potentially negative that is reported about United just because of the source. I'm not saying what they said was absolutely true, just that in this instance, I think it's believable.
You're welcome to it. I don't believe the media inherently despise any team. They report facts, and a lot of the time complete nonsense. I find that the media tend to underrate our team, but that's a mark of stupidity rather than a hatred.
I'm talking about Bilboa you flipping fool!!!! If we valued him at his buyout, he would be at United right now. Have you just woken up or something?
Opposition fans hate United, the media fan that hatred to sell rags. Who knows what journo's 'feel', if anything.
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1...pursuit-athletic-bilbao-ander-herrera?cc=4716
The only thing I found out is this regarding Herrera. It's written by Delaney so I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
It's laughable that people will believe everything these days.
The only thing I found out is this regarding Herrera. It's written by Delaney so I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
It's laughable that people will believe everything these days.
Hey man, this is what you wrote "I'll expand... Do you still think they will value him at his buyout clause? I know what we did."
" I know what we did" is a bit weird english, but seems like you were saying that we did value him at his buyout. But apologies if it was just your keyboard.
Most of the stuff reported by the football press on the Herrerra clause/final day issue made no legal sense. Most of the chat about the clause, even from well known Spanish sport reporters was either wrong or out of date - the Martinez to Bayern Munich deal established a critical precedent a year earlier about foreign clubs and Spanish release clubs.
Summarising then:
Athletic (or whoever) can refuse to accept a payment, even at the clause valuation, from another club. This is true.
It's at this point that the Liga "clause" rules take over. A Spanish club can give the money to the LFP, who pass it on to the sellers, the LFP don't care whether the sellers cash the cheque or not, they just do the paperwork and the contract is transferred.
There is a potential complication on a foreign sale - because the club aren't registered with the LFP so in principle have no legal standing under the clause rule. The implication is that the player would have to pay the clause and be reimbursed by the buying club - this opens a whole can of income tax and VAT worms. However, if you have the right lawyers and have done the work with the tax authorities ahead of time, then the foreign club's money is perfectly acceptable to the LFP. They simply confirm with the player that he wants the contract transferred and it's done.
Which takes us back to the real issue. If we didn't value Herrera at the release clause, we couldn't buy him.
Summarising then:
Athletic (or whoever) can refuse to accept a payment, even at the clause valuation, from another club. This is true.
It's at this point that the Liga "clause" rules take over. A Spanish club can give the money to the LFP, who pass it on to the sellers, the LFP don't care whether the sellers cash the cheque or not, they just do the paperwork and the contract is transferred.
There is a potential complication on a foreign sale - because the club aren't registered with the LFP so in principle have no legal standing under the clause rule. The implication is that the player would have to pay the clause and be reimbursed by the buying club - this opens a whole can of income tax and VAT worms. However, if you have the right lawyers and have done the work with the tax authorities ahead of time, then the foreign club's money is perfectly acceptable to the LFP. They simply confirm with the player that he wants the contract transferred and it's done.
Which takes us back to the real issue. If we didn't value Herrera at the release clause, we couldn't buy him.
I'd say Woodward's explanation in the Mitten interview is plausible enough. He mentions - in that same interview - that he knows the Bilbao president and that he talked to him personally about a possible transfer. I doubt he would've added that information if the story itself was bollocks.
Yeah me too. Plus the whole interview was quite honest. He recognised he messed it up the summer transfer window and we'll need to improve it to compete.
Is there a link to this interview anywhere?
Plus one.
Dude, not cool
Right, so it was reported and therefore true. Good to know.
When do Benzema, Sanchez, Hazard and Lucas Moura make their debuts for us? We've signed them all in the last few years, right? Fees agreed, wages agreed, deals done. Right?
isn't the truth of the Herrera deal that we didn't value him as Bilbao did so we were not interested in completing a signing
the potential deal was dead a few days before the transfer window closed and everything after that was media bollox, redcafe bollox and a few dodgy spaniards who lied about claiming to represent Manchester United
can't be bothered to check it but I'm sure Sid Lowe talked about it in the FW podcast just after the window shut
the potential deal was dead a few days before the transfer window closed and everything after that was media bollox, redcafe bollox and a few dodgy spaniards who lied about claiming to represent Manchester United
can't be bothered to check it but I'm sure Sid Lowe talked about it in the FW podcast just after the window shut
they won 2-1 on monday, how did he play?
up to 5th now.
up to 5th now.
For this game he was moved from center midfield to the right (like Kagawa play for us, opposite side)
Iturraspe and Muniain the best for Athletic. Susaeta also helped to change the game after he come on in the second half.
not much to say about Herrera. Didn't look comfortable playing wide. You take away his best assets playing him there.
ps. at least he played... the coach didn't play him anymore unless someone of his first 11 is unavailable.
Iturraspe and Muniain the best for Athletic. Susaeta also helped to change the game after he come on in the second half.
not much to say about Herrera. Didn't look comfortable playing wide. You take away his best assets playing him there.
ps. at least he played... the coach didn't play him anymore unless someone of his first 11 is unavailable.
So he's playing right now against Barca and Bilbao are 1 - 0 up....anyone watching it and can say how he's playing?
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