The minutiae of each deal could always be different, that fact we even care pisses me off. My point was that half of the forum say the Spanish deal collapsed due to us being tight, which if was true we would have pulled out of the Fellaini deal. As a club we rarely throw money at a transfer except for a few obvious exceptions, so little has changed in relation to all the embarrassment and outrage.
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The minutiae of each deal could always be different, that fact we even care pisses me off. My point was that half of the forum say the Spanish deal collapsed due to us being tight, which if was true we would have pulled out of the Fellaini deal. As a club we rarely throw money at a transfer except for a few obvious exceptions, so little has changed in relation to all the embarrassment and outrage.
I'd never presume to know better than the people with all the info. But you work away.
If I was to speculate I think the high Fellaini fee proves we will pay for an area of the team that needs investment. Which seems fair enough, and consistent enough to me.
I'm sorry but 
at the folks trying to defend our behaviour in the transfer market this summer. It's been poor.
at the folks trying to defend our behaviour in the transfer market this summer. It's been poor.He started a grand total of 4 league games.
If it's all true then it can't be good for the club. I can't believe that two months after someone created a thread suggesting that we are harmed in the market by being dignified and full of principles we are stuck in this situation where there seems to be no reasonable way out of this mess.
Can't think any serious damage has been done. Maybe to relations with Bilbao, but even that ought to be recoverable.
A lot of fuss over this, but in the end it was a simple matter of going in far too late for a complex deal and not getting it over the line.
Glad we didn't too as the price was starting to look crazy.
A lot of fuss over this, but in the end it was a simple matter of going in far too late for a complex deal and not getting it over the line.
Glad we didn't too as the price was starting to look crazy.
So what you are saying is that I should follow City, because I think that the "biggest club in the world" should be able to stump up £23m in one hit for their one and only transfer for the summer, rather than pay £4m for the pleasure of paying him up. No matter how you look at it, that is a fair chunk of interest for the pleasure of making payments. So far, there is nothing that has been released as to how this fee will be paid.
You can continue your tirades, but to be quite honest, your argument ran out of steam some time ago. The Fellaini transfer was a farce and the Herrera transfer attempt was beyond words. Thankfully for my sanity, I believe the player will add to our attributes.
True. As far as all these 'relations' thing is concerned, don't think it will be having long term bad effect. The club relations would have been spolit in case of a hostile bid for player, tapping up a player etc. Bilbao on the contrary would be feckin delighted because they hardly care about selling players just like that and in this case it was release clause which was forcing them to.
That's my issue, though. Assuming we wanted both him and Fellaini, why did we get to Herrera so late? Surely we weren't waiting for Fabregas...
We probably were although it might also be the case of us winning the first game of season convincingly and Moyes thinking he could get by without new signings. Then again it could also be Woodward thinking he can get Fellaini for much less than his release clause as proven by a £16m bid placed two weeks ago.
We got desperate after other attempts failed. Poor from the club.
On this point I got the reply that if everybody had complete knowledge they would be working for the club and this place will be boring if we don't discuss based on whatever we know or more aptly, we suppose we know. Basically, what I can conclude from that is, all this tirade and drama is a way of people to amuse themselves and keep this place active. Very noble.
On this point I got the reply that if everybody had complete knowledge they would be working for the club and this place will be boring if we don't discuss based on whatever we know or more aptly, we suppose we know. Basically, what I can conclude from that is, all this tirade and drama is a way of people to amuse themselves and keep this place active. Very noble.
This forum is to a degree, about speculation, that is true, but there are people getting properly annoyed with the club and individuals therein based on tabloid reconstruction of our club's dealings.
In my opinion I see very little difference in this window to most except we actually managed to sign the CM we have been baying for.
I just hope we do the honorable thing, and pay the money asked in january. Herrera is a great player, and IMO, will be worth the money in a few years. We fecked up things, even with the kid pushing for a deal. I feel sorry for him.
And hopefully the manchild will never, ever, eeeeeever will be involved in a transfer again. Get him on doing commercial business only, we need a football professional not this idiot running things.
And hopefully the manchild will never, ever, eeeeeever will be involved in a transfer again. Get him on doing commercial business only, we need a football professional not this idiot running things.
€30m in 4 installments, feck off
What's wrong with that?
Ya. It is perfectly normal for people to be disappointed a bit. After all the names we were linked with, we could just land one who wasn't the most popular choice of fans. On the positive side, he is the one in the area where we are weakest and can definitely prove to be an important addition. Granted there were few errors from club but I fail to understand the wave of hate. People are behaving like we have gone into crisis like Gillet-Hicks era at Liverpool or we are trophyless for almost a decade and still refusing to spend like at Arsenal.
Im lost for words.
You are great poster but you are really trying hard with this "its all good" crap. We've been shambolic this window.
Any Spanish speakers about?
It's not all good, we were very public when I'd prefer us not to be but it's no real disaster and there were always going to be post Fergie teething problems, and if they stop now we'll have gotten off very lightly. In terms of actual business, it's only as shambolic as ever.
This is the biggest issue, more so than whether we should have spent more money or conducted our transfer business quietly, the fact is that this should have been sorted weeks ago.
Given the start of the season that we had our club shouldn't be scrambling around on the last day of the window trying to get a deal done, its pathetic. The board had months to identify and secure our targets, leaving it till the last minute is just amateurish. We had an immensely hard start to season and have consequently dropped 5 points in three games. Unacceptable that we didn't do our business earlier - Fellaini or Herrara could have won us the games against Chelsea or Liverpool if we had acted properly.
Not to speak for Moses, but I see him as being in the camp of people here that believe we just don't know enough about these situations to be passing judgements. Not opinions, but judgements. If so, I wholeheartedly agree.
Yet we've still come out of it with a player that was badly required. If we signed Ozil instead, you'd see people moaning over the fact that we didn't buy a CM.
Some of our activity has been shambolic, but at least we've somewhat addressed an area of the pitch that's needed addressing for a very long time. Some people are going on like we achieved absolutely nothing in the window.
Can we safely assume that any further dealings with Herrera or Bilbao will be met with a polite feck off in Basque?
Nah, there was plenty of time assuming we were not being tight. If we woke up monday morning and decided 'we must get Herrera today', we could have done so. Just pay the money. I'm guessing we didn't have it to pay, or are just too tight.
Either way, don't go shopping for these players if you have no money. We just serve in pissing every other club off.
Poor bastard. He has been fecked over completely.
We all know that Moyes has a learning curve to undergo at this club. For all we know, Moyes has had a lot of success in previous windows leaving things to the last minute. Nobody wants to take an unhappy or unsettled player into the season, and perhaps deals are easier to come by at that point.
Whats get me about all of this is that, had we signed Herrera as well as Fellaini, this place would probably have been buzzing today. I would think it likely that we will be back in for Herrera in January.
Moses. The issue is not whether we are tight or not. But the way we have handled the transfer window has been quite inept. First, you don't talk about your transfer targets. Then you declare your bid for a player without knowing whether he'd join or not. Then you wait until four days before the window ends and a month after your last bid for a central midfielder and try and penny pinch. After everything has been agreed, you back out of it at the elventh hour leaving the player and associated stakeholders in the lurch. This does not even mention the erratic bidding for random players like De Rossi and being unsure of what to do with Fellaini. I mean if we were going to sign the afro-head, why wait till the last hour? And then pay above the release clause?
It just paints a picture of indecisiveness and immaturity. From whoever is leading this idiocy. Not to mention ,it does not bdoe well for the overall image of the club. With other players, clubs and even within the club - its players and fans.
I'm sorry, but this window by no means was close to how a club like us should be conducted. If you don't want to pay, just say no value and shut up. Stop making your deals public.
It just paints a picture of indecisiveness and immaturity. From whoever is leading this idiocy. Not to mention ,it does not bdoe well for the overall image of the club. With other players, clubs and even within the club - its players and fans.
I'm sorry, but this window by no means was close to how a club like us should be conducted. If you don't want to pay, just say no value and shut up. Stop making your deals public.
I hate to say this but a lot of Everton supporters I know are saying what happened to us was classic Moyes dithering about.
Or the additional fees could have pushed the price up to a level that just wasn't reasonable. It is absolutely sound business practice to put a value on something that you want to buy. You might go slightly above that, but if his price ended up 10m above our value we would be correct in walking away.
I agree, but if they learn from this window, then grand. The hole left by SAF was always going to show, so as long as we patch it up as we see it, then it will be fine. We did sign the CM we needed, let's not lose sight of that.
Had we signed Herrera and Fellaini it would've been job done. A physical presence and a top quality ball player to bolster our midfield. The most frustrating and annoying thing is that it was so, so close and we failed because the club decided to embark on some penny pinching while disgracing themselves with amateurish antics.
Moyes has always been excellent in the transfer market for Everton. I don't know anybody that disagreed with that two months ago.
The place would be hugely positive if we landed Herrara and Fellaini, rightly so because the two of them would have pretty much solved our midfield issues.
Regardless, it should have been done earlier. We've played three games and dropped 5 points which could have been avoided with Fellaini/Herrara. Given the length of the window I can't see any reason not to get business done early.. Why wouldn't you? Its just better in all respects.
The idea that you could pay less of a fee doesn't add up to me either really, Everton fleeced us in the end because they knew we were desperate. I said last night if I was Martinez I would have added £5million onto the price watching us scramble around on the last day like that.
His transfers were mostly late in the window with Everton if you look back. You cannot be that indecisive at a big club you have to identify your targets early and go after them. This deadline day bullshit is not for us.
We did. But by proving yourself inept to everyone in the business. Fair enough, you need to learn and move on. But for all the talk of continuity and ethos when Moyes was appointed, you'd think some of it would've been followed. I'm by no means blaming Moyes since I don't know who was making the decisions. But someone clearly needs a sit down and explaining to. I have a sneaky feeling that the change on the business side is also having an effect which definitely should not have happened - SAF or no SAF.
I really hope we rectify the mess we did on this transfer and sign him up in January. Really wanted this to go through and am still pissed off at Woodward and the entire transfer team.
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