Herrera is easily the most overrated player on here, right next to Carrick and Jones.
He is where he belongs now which is on the bench. Don't get me wrong, I like Herrera, he has a super mentality but in terms of footballing ability he is limited.
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Herrera is easily the most overrated player on here, right next to Carrick and Jones.
He is where he belongs now which is on the bench. Don't get me wrong, I like Herrera, he has a super mentality but in terms of footballing ability he is limited.
Before we signed Matic, all this site had was people screaming from the rooftops that Herrera was the best midfielder in the prem and could play DM, and we didn't need Matic.
Now it seems the logic is Herrera is only good enough for a squad spot and not a starting spot. Herrera was head and shoulders our best midfielder last season, miles better than the hype of Pogba.
He'll get his chance this year, I know a lot of it comes down to formation but he's nailed on in a midfield 3 and if we play a 2, its hard to argue against Pogba and Matic based on the first 2 games. Bringing Fellaini on ahead of him is criminal however.
I still rate him, think the majority of comments here are way too harsh saying he isn't upto it here. Look back at last season, very narrow minded comments
Now it seems the logic is Herrera is only good enough for a squad spot and not a starting spot. Herrera was head and shoulders our best midfielder last season, miles better than the hype of Pogba.
He'll get his chance this year, I know a lot of it comes down to formation but he's nailed on in a midfield 3 and if we play a 2, its hard to argue against Pogba and Matic based on the first 2 games. Bringing Fellaini on ahead of him is criminal however.
I still rate him, think the majority of comments here are way too harsh saying he isn't upto it here. Look back at last season, very narrow minded comments
A rolling eye emoji will suffice... anyone who believes Herrera is over-rated, limited and belongs on the bench, is not someone who can be reasoned with.Ye. I remember having a few debates with a few people on here, and saying that if Jose plays a 4231, Herrera will be the one to suffer, and so far that has been the case. I don't even think he's a cert if we play a midfield three either. Guess it all depends on the way Jose wants to play, because as you said, twice now Fellaini has been brought on instead of Herrera. I don't think it's criminal at all, though. Fellaini has his attributes and so does Herrera.
The good thing is, is that both, in my opinion, are great squad players to have and will have to play a massive part if we're to challenge for the league and in cup competitions this season.
The good thing is, is that both, in my opinion, are great squad players to have and will have to play a massive part if we're to challenge for the league and in cup competitions this season.
Slightly different roles tbf. But as a holding midfielder who controls the game there really isn't any competition. But I think the key difference between the two players is that whilst Hererra allows you to be very competitive in matches, Matic enables you to dominate.
Just 2 game Hererra not starting people already saying Hererra overrated.Not sure how long Hererra will be bench.But don't expect Hererra to perform as he used to be when we only started him on tough game.Every player needed to accumulate some minute in his leg to maintain his form.
Time to put his face on milk cartons?
No, course not.
Given his new rotational role I would be an awfully lot more comfortable if we managed to tie him down to a new contract.
Its' not like that. We, the minority, have always maintained that he was overrated a bit prior to him being dropped and that a good mid would bench him. Thing is, he is neither as good as Pogba offensively, nor as good as Matic defensively. Which basically means he is average.
As a sub, he is behind Fellaini in the pecking order as Fellaini offers something different when he comes on. But of course, Herrera is a useful squad player and I do like him. He will play in the big games.
But he's better than Matic offensively and better than Pogba defensively, does that make them average too? Flawless logic...
Jose has 'dropped' his position, not the player.
He's overrated on this site is what the poster meant and he is spot on.
Herrera is good but he isn't better than the players currently in front of him that's the truth of it .
I'm sure he will get plenty of game time but right now i wouldn't start him over Mata ,Pogba or Matic.
He's one of the best in the league at winning the ball high up the pitch. Certainly better than Pogba or Matic at that, so no of course he isnt average. Thats a dynamic skill, both defensive and offensive
We are talking about the roles of an AM and a DM. Matic is actually more influential going forward than Herrera while doing defensive work though.
Of course. We are stronger with a 2 man midfield because Matic is so good. If we switch to a 3 man midfield permanently, I have no doubts Jose will look for an upgrade on Herrera in the summer. Providing we have the funds and personnel available on the market.
Tbh, that's like saying Rashford has more pace, so he is far better than Ronaldo whose all-round game is better. One skill or two doesn't matter, in fact, Matic does more for our attack while holding than Herrera does. Not that Herrera hasn't had truly great games, but like every average player, they come once in 10 matches or so.
We need to get this contract sorted asap. I'd keep playing the same midfield if I was Jose too, but we really need to get it done.
Good post. He's a superb midfielder, anyone trying to retcon that just because he's not started the first three games of the season is a prat. But there's also no arguing with the success of the shape change. At the moment Jose's right to stick with Pogba-Matic in a 4231.
He'll be needed again sooner rather than later. Long season, lots of different kinds of opponent. Does anyone seriously believe we won't see him come in for one of the AMs when we line up against City, Chelsea, Spurs etc?
Must be a strange feeling for him. In his first season he played well and helped us achieve CL qualification. Then the manager goes into the new season after getting his own signings and he gets dropped. Then a new manager comes in and he again plays well and helps us achieve CL qualification only to be relegated to the bench again when that manager also enters his second season and gets a midfielder of his choice.
Hehe. Owned him
Herrera is certainly overrated by some on the forum. After all, we had people arguing that he was as good as Kante last season only for it now to appear that he isn't quite as good as Matic, a player we would certainly have seen as the lesser of the two Chelsea mids.
However, not playing in the first three games has more to do with the shape that suits the team rather than Herrera himself. Fact is we simply haven't needed a Herrera-type player in our games so far. When we do, he'll be very valuable, just as he was last season.
However, not playing in the first three games has more to do with the shape that suits the team rather than Herrera himself. Fact is we simply haven't needed a Herrera-type player in our games so far. When we do, he'll be very valuable, just as he was last season.
And which of those positions is Herreras?
Matic more influential going forward? Are you for real? This has WUM written all over it becuase no one in their right minds, even Matic's mum, would beleive that.
Decent ball winner and terrier but his box to box qualities are quite underwhelming, even Darren Fletcher created more goals and protected the back line better.
Herrera is a box to box mid. Unfortunately, he is not adequately influential enough in offense (like Pogba) to be a great one. We don't particularly need a defensively minded player in that position so long as Matic is there. So we play with a 4-2-3-1 which frees up Pogba and allows us to have a #10, an extra attacker to score goals.
Matic is the holding DM who contributes to our attack by making forward passes. Remember the West Ham game where his interception lead to a goal on the counter? The one time when he drove forward with the ball on the right? He had 7 assists last season with Chelsea as well. Just because he is a DM, you are saying he doesn't help with the attack?
Herrera doesn't have the same passing acumen from a defensive role.
Don't see what's there to label others a WUM for having a different opinion. You are welcome to think Herrera is this world class game changer, I happen to think otherwise.
Precisely.
Myself and @Lawman were quite vocal last season about Herrera needing to step it up a notch or face an upgrade being brought in. Many posters couldn't even fathom that thought but it seems like Jose agreed.
I have no problem with him being on the bench or a rotational player. It will only prove how strong our squad is.
He's a quality player and will obviously be important for us this season.
I have no problem with him being on the bench or a rotational player. It will only prove how strong our squad is.
He's a quality player and will obviously be important for us this season.
He's very overrrated on here but he's still a great squad option. Get that contract signed and he can still be a huge part of the squad, we have a lot of games and we'll need him.
Yes he is, now tell me, how many box to box midfielders has Jose opted to play this season?
Remember last season? Where only Fabregas provided more assists than Herrera? No I didn't say he didn't help in attack at all, i refuted your point that Matic provided more, follow your own train of thought. how on earth have you come to that conclusion?
Perhaps he doesn't, but he isn't a defensive midfielder he's a box go box midfielder, how are you not getting this?
Who said he was a world class game changer? I'm fine discussing it with you, but lay off the strawman arguments, you've managed 2 in one paragraph.
So what position is Pogba currently playing?
Herrera got the assists but didn't influence the games on a regular basis like Matic does and neither is defensively sound enough to free up Pogba. Its not just about assists, its' about what he brings to the table every game. The 7 assists was mentioned by me to show that Matic contributes to the attack, not to compare numbers with Herrera.
It is because he is not a great box to box mid that Jose prefers a system without him which suits the others more, or we would use a system to accommodate Herrera.
OK, I have said my piece. Gonna watch the game now.
Central midfield.
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Oh so now I've pointed you towards his assisting stats they suddenly don't count? You were more than willing to tell me Matic's stats previously.
No it's not. It's because Mourinho doesn't think we need one. Are you telling me we won't play 3 in midfield in the tougher games, seriously? Herrera won player of the season last year and Jose regularly spoke very highly of him, you're just throwing shit at a wall and hope some of it sticks now.
You've been playing too much Fifa. It's abundantly clear Herreras role last season and Pogbas this season are nothing alike.
Oh boy. Its' not as though I didn't know Herrera got 6 assists?
You said Matic's mum wouldn't believe he gets forward. I said he got 7 assists. Had nothing to do with Herrera. That's really it.
Last time - if Herrera gets only the same numbers as Matic, he should be as good as Matic at the same role. If he is not as good as Matic/not playing the same role as Matic, he should get more goals/assists. If he is neither, then we are better off benching him and bringing in a #10 who can contribute to the attack while Matic shields the defense. Doesn't matter Herrera is a box to box mid if his contributions to attack and defense are both not indispensible.
I am done now.
They're both box-to-box but there's only room for one in most games. Herrera played as a DM in many games last season but again, he's not going to get many starts year this season cause of Matic. I really like Herrera, but he's really not as good as you think he is.
No I didn't. Seriously, at least attempt to read what's written.
You said "Matic is actually more influential going forward than Herrera", I said "because no one in their right minds, even Matic's mum, would beleive that." And from that you've deduced I said "Matic's mum wouldn't believe he gets forward."
You literally just read what you want, don't you? I'm beginning to understand why you're struggling to grasp this. I'm out. I've got football to watch.
I get why he's not starting, I just wish we'd give him the role Fellaini has been given.
Fellaini's played that role exceptionally well and brings qualities to it that Hererra doesn't possess.
Mou said a few good words for him and his attitude, in the post match interview. He wants to play him just as much as we do.
Herrera will start all the CL matches.
He will replace Mata in midfield.
He will replace Mata in midfield.
The only explanation I can think of is that he's not sharp enough yet or is carrying a niggle.
Plenty of time to force his way into the team and I get the feeling he'll be a starter once we start facing the heavyweights in a midfield three with Matic and Pogba. I think he'll be rotating with Fellaini.
Plenty of time to force his way into the team and I get the feeling he'll be a starter once we start facing the heavyweights in a midfield three with Matic and Pogba. I think he'll be rotating with Fellaini.
Remember this time last season, we had plenty players who Mourihno wished he could give more game time to. By the end of the season, we were struggling to put out any sort of team at all. Herrera will get plenty of opportunities once the midweek games start rolling around.
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