Give him and Fellaini new deals please.
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simply I love him..
He'll be an expensive bench...
How come people ignore so many of his killer pasess in every game and just talk about those short passes when talking about his passing game and lack of quality on the ball. He is probably our best player when it comes to passing the ball to a forward in space behind the defence.
Yep, best through-baller in the team. This from a player who regularly produces league-high tackle and interception stats.
He was good in the CL and good again today after he came on. I reckon he should start against Liverpool, I'm worried about Fellaini against Liverpools press and pace. Fellaini is useful in and around the box but he's not very defensively aware or the quickest to get the ball out of his feet.
Think they will both start in a midfield 3 with Matic. Mourinho will want Herrera's interceptions and lungs plus Fellaini's aerial threat against Liverpool who are damn near the worst defenders of set pieces and crosses in the league.
He's our most press-resistant midfielder. Constantly moving the ball and on the move himself, and is the best at executing that first time through ball in our entire team. Had a bit of a slow start to the season (being benched doesn't help), but has found himself some form now.
If Pogba is out for a long time, an in form Herrera is crucial for our Oct-Nov results.
If Pogba is out for a long time, an in form Herrera is crucial for our Oct-Nov results.
When it comes to the City game, if José doesn't put him on De Bruyne the way he stuck him on Hazard last season, it'll be a travesty. It's screaming out to be done.
Most likely. I'd be happy with Fellaini in a free role to attack and Matic with Herrera in midfield. I just don't want him as a part of a midfield two against the 3 of Liverpool with the way the press too.
I expect Mata to drop out too. Another player who usually struggles when pressed because he lacks both pace and strength. At least Mkhi has the ability to break the the press with his pace and dribbling ability.
I'm expecting, Herrera for Mata and the rest of the team remains the same. I'm unsure about LB and who's going to pick up Salah though. Young might get rinsed for speed and his tackling's a bit erratic. i wonder if one of Darmian/Blind starts.
The ginger cnut is on fire. Oh how I wish we'd signed him instead of City.
He's Klopps wet dream of a midfielder. Glad he plays for us
Man marking strategy won't work against City due to different attacking threats they have. You can mark KDB, but there will still be Silva, Sane, Sterling.. Etc and we have only one Herrera.
Zonal defense that's the way.
I wonder if Herrera could take Mkhi role against Liverpool. We might have less threat up front, but more on midfield control/battle.
He also tends to rush under pressure and play teammates into trouble. Hmm. Maybe play both and move Fellaini forward?
That through ball to Martial with his left foot was superb. I reckon he will definitely start against Liv (if fit).
Nice to see Jose name him amongst his most important team players.
They do have different threats, but if we cut off the source, they're so much less potent. Everything goes through De Bruyne in that team.
Putting Herrera isn't the same as going man to man all over the pitch. It's essentially making the game a 10 v 10 contest for most parts and given how much of their game flows through De Bruyne, I see it really disrupting their rhythm. Silva is the other guy who runs their game other than de Bruyne. Sane and sterling whilst good, rely on these 2 for service and cutting the de Bruyne channel off will make them think.
Kevin the Broyner is a different type of threat to Hazard. Hazard's best abilities are dribbling and shooting so a good man marker can limit his impact massively, if not mark him out of game.
Broyner's best attributes are passing and crossing by a mile. He has great vision and great delivery. We'll need to mark very all over the pitch to not give bim these options for a pass. Not sure how realistic that is.
Anyhow let's worry about Liverpool first. They are also a very good attacking team.
Broyner's best attributes are passing and crossing by a mile. He has great vision and great delivery. We'll need to mark very all over the pitch to not give bim these options for a pass. Not sure how realistic that is.
Anyhow let's worry about Liverpool first. They are also a very good attacking team.
Silva and De Bruyne are basically 2 AM's playing higher up the pitch. We just got to wreck em on the counter
Nah, I disagree. They have a lot of attacking outlets but so did Chelsea last season - they're only a 'one-man team' when they're playing badly. What's significant is that Hazard was clearly the primary threat, the one which your team will pull itself all out of shape trying to combat, thus creating the gaps and weaknesses which their other threats will exploit. Right now, that's what KDB is for City.
The beauty of Herrera as a man-marker is that it doesn't make him any less useful when you're in possession. He's intelligent enough to use that position next to a defensively negligible player as a platform when we turn over possession. Canny enough to shift the ball on but stay in a position to get right back on his target's heels the second possession falls back to the opposition.
But even if man-marking KDB did take Herrera completely out of the game, it would be worth it. That's City's most dangerous player by far in exchange for one who, while brilliant, hasn't even started for us much this season. It's like swapping a Knight for their Queen.
Silva is, but Guardiola has De Bruyne dropping deep a lot too. He's using him to make up for their mediocre central midfielders. Nullify him and you don't just cut their goal-and-assist threat in half, you also seriously harm their ability to get the ball to the other creative players.
Chelsea is a complete different case. They were 100% dependent on Hazard and Pedro through the flanks as the midfield has zero attacking output so man mark the flanks and they're done for. City have different attacking threats from the midfield and flanks it's practically impossible to man mark all of them out of the game. Mark KDB and Silva will still be there create their chances while their flanks are still doing their job. They are hardly a one or 2 man team, unlike Chelsea.
Nope, not last season they weren't. Remember the non-stop supply line of long passes over the top from Fabregas to Costa?
And again, you've completely ignored the point of my post. Yes, City have a variety of threats. But right now KDB is by far the biggest, and trying to defend against him as if he's any other player will pull us all out of shape and create gaps for those other players to exploit. Better to 'sacrifice' Herrera marking him right out of the game (although as I also said in the post you're answering, Herrera doesn't necessarily have to drop out of the game to man-mark) and let everyone else cope with the now more manageable threat offered by Silver and Sané.
Fabregas wasn't even a consistent starter in their line up ? 90 % of their matches they were playing with Kante and Matic and their strategy was to get the balls to the flanks to do the attacking job, so crowd the flanks with players and mark Hazard/Pedro out of the team and they're done for.
I agree that KDB is their most important threat, that it's important to stop him and I wasn't saying to not trying to put Herrera on him to nullify him. What I was saying is they have the tools to get past this. It'll decrease their threat, for sure but they have other playmakers to keep creating chances and you can't man mark all of them. You're decreasing their thread but you're not 100% nullifying them, not like we did against Chelsea. I think that it's clear.
This is chock full of long Fabregas passes to Costa. Also if I remember rightly Luiz was doing it all season too.
I agree Hazard was more of a dominant outlet for Chelsea last season than KDB is for City right now, although I think you overestimate how much - Hazard wasn't so all-important last season, and KDB is, in this moment right now, very central to how City are playing. Silva, Sané et al are very dangerous but right now it's KDB who's enabling it all, which is why I think it's worth man marking him.
They'll be looking to repeat what they did against Chelsea as closely as possible, so neutralising the central cog in that strategy is the best way to throw them off their game. It's not just about weighing up the threats mathematically, it's about fecking with their game plan, and KDB's recent primacy has put him slap bang in the middle of that game plan.
And you've also got to ask yourself if it's worth the swap. Herrera for KDB. Right now, there's no question, especially since as aforementioned Herrera will still be able to do good things when we've got the ball.
The video won't change much though, will it ? It's a fact we all know that Fabre wasn't a consistent starter and they played most of their games with 2 DMF. Fabre was an option used as a sub or in some games but in most of their games he wasn't a starter and wasn't a main player for them. He was just another option.
Not overestimating Hazard but he was their main attacker and their strategy was dependent heavily on the flanks since most of times their midfields are DMFs whose only purpose is to cut the ball and get to the flanks to build the attack. Nullify the flanks, and that will leave the midfield struggling to build anything. The solution Conte did was to put Fabre as a sub later on during the game, but at this time it'll be easily nullified as well by throwing a DMF and close on him. That's why they struggled against big teams that also played 3-4-3.
Again, I don't know why you're thinking I don't want to put Herrera on KDB and nullify him. What I'm pointing is they're not a one man team like Chelsea was last season. Their threat will decrease, but it won't stop. We can man mark KDB, but we still should put a plan to stop their other attackers.
I'm not, I hear what you're saying. I just don't know how you could think I was suggesting we wouldn't 'put a plan to stop their other attackers'. I mean, when I said Herrera should man mark KDB I sort of took it as read that we'd also have ten other players on the pitch doing their jobs too...
Not much disagreement, then.
He's looked very sharp against CSKA and Palace. I believe he will be deployed in a 3 man midfield in big matches.
Ander > Pogba for me, far better tactical asset and useful skillset in a 4-2-3-1.
With the solid base of him and Matic, I'd be compelled to play Rashford right, Martial left either side of Lukaku.
With the solid base of him and Matic, I'd be compelled to play Rashford right, Martial left either side of Lukaku.
Didn't know Souness had an account on here.
I sometimes wonder if fans actually watch games or just read newspapers. I'm sorry but how can you form this opinion if you have actually seen both players play?
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