Maybe Andreas can fill in that role if needed. He's played as a right back on occasion for Granada, so he might be able to provide that energy that Ander has. Anyways, that's another discussion for another thread.
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Some one that can keep their shots out of row Z
Which is exactly my point. Kante is a limited player compared to Herrera yet he's seen as the superior one.
This season even on things Kante excel, Herrera has outperform him(tackles, interceptions etc) plus he has far more footballing skills than Kante could ever dream but the consensus about these 2 players is a very odd one considering everything I mentioned.
Good performance, I had a feeling the stat posts would be aplenty in here with all those tackles he made. 
We don't need to upgrade on him. However we should look to improve our midfield depth so there is stronger competition and enough quality to play a full season of competition. Hopefully Pereira means we save our cash.
Everything you say is true. Until the game makers boost Herrera's stats on FIFA though many on here will keep saying Herrera needs shipping.
Its utterly mad. I've seen Herrera make passes Kante can only dream of. Its like comparing Fernando Redondo to David Batty.
Very hard to change a narrative when it is established. Performance like Herrera had today from Kante and you would have pundits and MOTD jizzing themselves silly over it, doing a feature on it etc.
Would probably be different if we were the ones running away with the title though. As it is Kante has come from one PL champ and gone to another one, with the former collapsing after he left, that all adds to his reputation.
It's funny because the only reason this is the case is our attackers haven't scored enough goals to put us on higher points total. Herrera has been dominant in his role.
Needs to stop his left footed volleys and shots. Or practice them more
But yeah, Kante is a french herrera
Intercepting machine.
But yeah, Kante is a french herrera
Intercepting machine.
By far our man of the match today. Snuffed out any chance Watford had, started off the move for the goal and just generally dominated everything.
The amount he gets overlooked by some fans just makes no sense, we have one of the most versatile little players on our hands who is probably our most vital player and he rarely gets the sort of credit he deserves.
The amount he gets overlooked by some fans just makes no sense, we have one of the most versatile little players on our hands who is probably our most vital player and he rarely gets the sort of credit he deserves.
My MOTM. He was everywhere. Provides a great balance to the team. Super performance.
Everything you say is true. Until the game makers boost Herrera's stats on FIFA though many on here will keep saying Herrera needs shipping.
Its utterly mad. I've seen Herrera make passes Kante can only dream of. Its like comparing Fernando Redondo to David Batty.
Funny that you mention stats as they're the entire basis for this "Herrera is as good defensively as Kante" argument, one we would laugh at if Herrera played for a different team.
You just have to use your eyes to see how tenacious, versatile and skilled he is at his new role.
He is 10cm smaller than Pogba but wins a higher percentage of his aerial duels, you don't need to be told that stat if you watch him because seeing him win so many prompted me to investigate to confirm my suspicions.
By far our best midfielder and probably the most vital player for us this season, anyone who actually watches what he is doing can see that.
Largely agree. It's just the needless Kante comparisons I object to.
I assume it is a bit tongue in cheek. Both are excellent players and excel in similar areas yet I can't put it into words, but they are fundamentally different players. I can't quite place it but they go about doing the same job in entirely different styles.
Due to the fact he is not only quality, but also passionate and dedicated he is a fan favourite and you always get some tongue in cheek, hyperbole about those sorts of players. People are just enjoying the fact we have a player who is doing so refreshingly well. It's light hearted talk that shouldn't be taken too seriously.
I meant the attributes on the video game, which are subjective. As opposed to what Ander actually does in real life, which is objectively great:
MOTM and it isn't even close IMO.
It's because we are told how amazing Kante is on a constant basis and how average and overrated Herrera is, it's inevitable. And when Herrera soundly beats him in every department it kind of becomes relevant.
Herrera is routinely criticised for his ability on the ball yet Kante isn't, despite Herrera actually being better with it, why is that?
I love him. He was always under-utilized under LvG, and now he is flourishing under Mourinho on a new role. He has had his bad days, but he gives his 100% every time he is in the pitch.
I was furious when LVG benched him for no reason. What a player he is! Played today like a tank, and when certain passes did not work out he was instantly focused on getting the ball back. Love the guy and I hope we will extend his contract.
You bringing up Morgan to state he would have done a similar job to Herrera tells me all there is to know. I don't think there is any point discussing this with someone as biased as you especially when you throw around terms like fan boys while you are behaving like a spurned lover.
Think today was a good time to quote you and all the people who criminally underrate Herrera. If Kante had a game like this, you lot would be wanking yourselves silly.Watch our games, and evaluate our record with and without Carrick in the team.
Don't use a lack of replacements to cite why a player is so great. He can be important by default of that circumstance, but it is not related to him as a player alone. If youre looking at output of our first XIs, Mkhitaryan, Zlatan, Bailly, Carrick, Valencia are are key.
Oh ok, maybe we should stop looking at available players who could improve us all together. No fecking player arrives with a guaruntee label. What we do know is Nianggolan is a superior player to Herrera.
This wasn't a quote to my post, but highlights your lack of knowledge about other teams. Kante would easily walk into any team in the league and Chelsea weren't "torn" apart by Spurs. Did you actually bother to watch the match?
Also I hate it when people nit pick faults in other players and forget there are games where Herrera himself has been embarassingly anonymous.
Ex players also claimed Andy Carroll is a top player. Doesn't make him one. When you have ex players like Owen spouting nonsense, I would rather believe what I see with my own eyes.
It's fine if you rate Kante higher but based on the performances this season, only a blind bias will put him above Herrera. But you can keep with it.
You think it's more likely that everyone bar a few United fans are blindly biased against a United player rather than a few United fans being blindly biased towards a United player?
btw what a turnaround, I mean before this season, players like him and Valencia were doubted to stay here, werent a good fit for Mourinho they said and they are our best and most consistent players with quite some margin, with performances like this I dont think there are many upgrades around and at least with Herrera I think he can get better as the role is pretty new to him and he will master that as the time goes sort of like Carrick transformed his style of play at the end of his career and Scholes too before him
It is more a case of not seeing our games enough or not paying attention to a less flashy player. The set narrative is Kante is the best DM in the league. So even if another player does outperform him, that narrative won't go away. Not that quickly at least. The ex players and pundits still wax lyrical about Wayne Rooney while the United fans know he has been shot for at least two years. Would you use the same argument about United fans not knowing enough about their own player since most people outside rate him differently?
You were talking that defensive situation about getting back omg you really are one of the most clueless posters. You asked what player do we have that could have done that so I said we just sold one. Now I see you never take any post into context. You just spout nonsense. I'd be happy if you don't take me up on any my posts in future!
Not a fan of Herrera, but he was immense today.
Wonder how the narrative would be if Kante played like that.
Wonder how the narrative would be if Kante played like that.
So other people haven't seen enough of our games to judge Herrera properly, whereas you've definitely seen enough of Kante's games for Chelsea to overrule the majority opinion? Also, not sure I'd describe Kante as a flashier player than Herrera. Isn't Herrera's superiority on the ball supposed to be a point in his favour in this argument?
I'm not saying United fans don't know more about United players than neutrals. I'm saying that United fans are more likely to be biased towards United players than neutrals. Certainly more likely to be biased towards them than the vast majority of the football watching world is to be biased against them. You can disagree with the majority while still keeping a certain degree of perspective when it comes to where you stand in terms of likely bias.
He had a superb game today, but I don't think its fair to use single games to try driving a point home. If we did that we can show Pogba to be a Championship player or Kante to be useless.
Yep, cant see how Martial can get it over him with that performance.
One of his best games.
What a player. Has so much passion!
Anyone not voting Herrera for MOTM can't possibly have watched the match. He was omnipresent and two of his interceptions actually started the move for our two goals.
I got him as my man of the match, I thought he was outstanding today.
Watch MOTD not even mention his name, or credit Carrick for everything he did.
Love Herrera. Talented player who loves the club and provides great leadership. I think his critics on this site are overly harsh in response to how much praise he gets from others, but in truth I think the praise and hyperbole are justified. It's football after all, it's supposed to be a bit romantic and Herrera is a great example of why.
Love Herrera. Talented player who loves the club and provides great leadership. I think his critics on this site are overly harsh in response to how much praise he gets from others, but in truth I think the praise and hyperbole are justified. It's football after all, it's supposed to be a bit romantic and Herrera is a great example of why.
Screw the fancy flicks and long ranged goals. Team success is more than scoring goals and looking cool. It's about attitude, passion, and tactical contributions. Herrera excels in those category. Sure he can improve his passing range and shooting to get to the world class level, but he's only 27 which is young for a midfielder and he's only played this role for 2/3's of a season. I'm excited for his future. Trust Jose when he says we have a good foundation. I think we can sprinkle in some depth with a quality player for one of the 3 forward positions and one for the full back position. Finally we'd need a young promising CM to begin replacing Carrick.
It's amazing how footballers are now rated based on their work rate rather than their footballing skills.
What happened to the days when a skilled footballer was highly rated compared to lesser skilled ones who relied mostly on workrate to compensate.
Nowadays workhorses like Kante are rated higher than footballer with high footballing skills like Herrera or Pogba because they happen to run a lot.
Ironically this season alone in his new role Herrera actually outperforms Kante in the grit department coupled with having better footballing skills.
It's all about narratives now. The media have created this narrative about Kante and people have bought it.
Just for comparisons sake, if Herrera puts in a performance like the one Kante did against Liverpool he'd have been slaughtered on these boards. It wouldn't have mattered how many balls he recovered and interceptions he made, he was going to get bashed for his general all round play with the ball being sloppy and wasteful.
But Kante get worshipped for that performance by pundits and fans alike.He's called the most dominant midfielder in the league for working hard, regaining possession while showing average footballing skills.
Herrera not only does what Kante does but even better(backed by stats this season) but also he's actually good on the ball and has skills to boot. Yet all that get him are so-so responses from fans. Truly bizarre.
Kante has to be one of the most overrated player in this league. To be fair though his type don't get much recognition but somehow it has gone to the extreme.
What happened to the days when a skilled footballer was highly rated compared to lesser skilled ones who relied mostly on workrate to compensate.
Nowadays workhorses like Kante are rated higher than footballer with high footballing skills like Herrera or Pogba because they happen to run a lot.
Ironically this season alone in his new role Herrera actually outperforms Kante in the grit department coupled with having better footballing skills.
It's all about narratives now. The media have created this narrative about Kante and people have bought it.
Just for comparisons sake, if Herrera puts in a performance like the one Kante did against Liverpool he'd have been slaughtered on these boards. It wouldn't have mattered how many balls he recovered and interceptions he made, he was going to get bashed for his general all round play with the ball being sloppy and wasteful.
But Kante get worshipped for that performance by pundits and fans alike.He's called the most dominant midfielder in the league for working hard, regaining possession while showing average footballing skills.
Herrera not only does what Kante does but even better(backed by stats this season) but also he's actually good on the ball and has skills to boot. Yet all that get him are so-so responses from fans. Truly bizarre.
Kante has to be one of the most overrated player in this league. To be fair though his type don't get much recognition but somehow it has gone to the extreme.
He is better deep or buzzing around and not being a main source of creativity.
Food for thought, for all the Kante lovers on here:
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m..._won/interceptions/blocks/defensive_errors#90
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m..._won/interceptions/blocks/defensive_errors#90
He's been great out there today. If only he knew how to shoot first time
It's a very hard skill. No one in the world can just whack them in for fun.
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