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Just so I understand you correctly. When Herrera or Scholes plays dirty it´s fine but when Fellaini does it it´s not?
Didn't criticise him mate, although equally I'm not heralding him as the second coming of Scholes & Keane, unlike most of the caf. I don't think he has been much better or worse than Pogba (if you ignore the price tag) or Fellaini
MOTM for me.
Pogba was atrocious today. Then he brings Rooney on and he ends up in midfield, messing up freekicks and bloody corners. Ander was lucky boy not to be sent off, but we have missed someone who has a nasty side.
I thought he played quite well but should have been sent off. Still not sold that we are getting the most out of him in the deeper role.
Played well. Should have stayed on ahead of Pogba IMO. But he should have been sent off for that challenge, bad tackle.
He isn't a holding Mid. If he is playing there he has to actually track down midfielders. How was Allen left unmarked for the goal? Also Allen had another chance today that he tamely hit to DDG which again he was unmarked. Lucky to stay on the pitch too. Had a couple of tackles but overall not defensively aware.
Attacking wise he is good though. Passes well over the short distance.
Attacking wise he is good though. Passes well over the short distance.
Is it me only who's not really happy with how easily Johnson (or whoever the feck it was) got past him for the goal? Right outside the box when the player I'm not sure about took a shot.
I completely forgot about that. It was poor, one of a few individual errors for their goal.
What we need is an athletic holding midfielder next to Herrera and Pogba in a midfield 3. We are vulnerable at times. Then Mata/Mkhi in the number 10 role.
Very impressive, seems to have found his role
Played well again I thought.
Such an active midfielder.
Such an active midfielder.
He did fairly well today but there seems to be no chemistry what so ever between him and Pogba
Seems to be a common trend for all of Pogba's CM partners so far this season
How are we supposed to play 3 midfielders AND a 10?
Sorry I meant for rotation if we need them in the number 10. The thing Is Mata has been our best midfielder along with Herrera so it'd be a shame to see him miss out.
Maybe because Herrera and Scholes make contributions other than that?
You can't. The No 10 comes from a midfielder. Pogba? Ander the inbetween midfielder. A Carrick/or Carrick type sitting behind. There again, why should Mata lose his place. Pogba has been underwhelming. I am baffling myself here.
Diamond?
You can't. The No 10 comes from a midfielder. Pogba? Ander the inbetween midfielder. A Carrick/or Carrick type sitting behind. There again, why should Mata lose his place. Pogba has been underwhelming. I am baffling myself here.
It's a conundrum. I'd stick with the team myself. I don't know him personally, or see him everyday as Mourinho would but I bet he feels the weight of that transfer fee on him. His reactions to his misses today and his tendency to over elaborate are probably signs of that.
Dropping him would destroy his confidence. I'd wait and see what this team, with Mkhitaryan instead of Lingard, can do for a few games.
It's early in Jose's reign. We don't need to win the league title this season anyway.
We'd have to drop one of Radford or Martial if we play that. Plus I'm not to sure if our full backs' attacking abilities these days. I lost count how many times Blind whacked the ball against the first defender while crossing today, and Valencia is Valencia.
This is the problem with Herrera playing as the deepest midfielder. Pogba's not defensively solid at all, so there is too much put on Herrera's shoulders to keep us solid defensively. It would work if we were a great high-pressing side with attacking players who knew how to close down properly, but for several years, we've been so poor with our pressing from the front, so Herrera in a deeper role won't suffice.
His passing, vision, positioning, skill, and control are excellent for a #8 box-to-box role, but we need someone more defensively reliable as the deepest midfielder. Herrera won't cut it unless we play teams who will park the bus like Zorya, Leceister, West Brom, Burnley, etc.
His passing, vision, positioning, skill, and control are excellent for a #8 box-to-box role, but we need someone more defensively reliable as the deepest midfielder. Herrera won't cut it unless we play teams who will park the bus like Zorya, Leceister, West Brom, Burnley, etc.
He needs to be in a three. As does Pogba. He came from a side that pressed, but he cannot do it all on his own.
There is no player in the world who can keep the defense in his place against better teams paired with just Pogba in midfield, that's not Herrera's fault. It's not Pogba's fault either, it's just how it is, we need three man midfield against better teams if we are going to give Pogba freedom to attack.
Well yeah, that's where he'll be most effective, but I didn't want to mention it simply because it's been repeated so often around here.
He can even work in a midfield 2 (at a stretch) if he has someone like Blind partnering him as he can offer the legs along with the defensive reliability. I seem to remember it working fine when Blind and Herrera partnered together in a midfield 2 in Louis van Gaal's first season.
I'm not blaming him, I'm just saying that he shouldn't be placed in that role in the first place as it doesn't get the best out of him and makes our midfield porous against teams that want to have a go against us.
I am just surprised Jose hasn't done it, so that makes me think he is not happy with the other options there, so will persist with Ander until he can get someone. Then he will switch to the three. Then it will be a striker up front with two men wide. Pogba the most advanced midfielder, Ander doing the leg work and whoever sitting.
A lot of things seemed to work at times under LvG, most of which he threw out of the window in his 2nd season.
Yeah, thought he got beat way too easily.
I guess you missed the malicious part, Herrera is nothing like that, he likes to kick people but that's only good, I dont mind that from Fellaini either but just hate when his malicious part of that game, elbowing etc.. and btw Scholes and Herrera are footballers so you can excuse them when they are a bit reckless but it's Fellaini's main part of the game.. I hope it's clear now:-)
Very good game.
But also very lucky, as that tackle was a red card offence.
But also very lucky, as that tackle was a red card offence.
We can't and we don't need to. Pogba in his best position is more creative than any of our 10s and Zlatan loves to drop deep and create for forwards running off him.
He never played in a midfield 2 in the first season. It was always either 4-4-2 diamond or a 4-3-3 later. Herrera didn't play well in a midfield 2 in the second season (he was poor against Brugge till he moved further forward)
I rate Herrera. I like the way he his tenacious and shows passion.
I feel he needs to be played in a 3 alongside Pogba and an actual DM, shield type player.
Zlatan in a false 9 dropping deeper with two inside forwards making runs off him.
That would get the best out of Pogba and we'd actually have a midfield too many times we get caught on the counter because we have too many forward thinking players in the team and Pogba is lazy at tracking back at times.
I feel he needs to be played in a 3 alongside Pogba and an actual DM, shield type player.
Zlatan in a false 9 dropping deeper with two inside forwards making runs off him.
That would get the best out of Pogba and we'd actually have a midfield too many times we get caught on the counter because we have too many forward thinking players in the team and Pogba is lazy at tracking back at times.
Couldn't agree more. This is the third time we conceded a goal like this one. One against Feynoored, another against Watford and this. Otherwise he's solid.
The difference between the edge of the box cut backs in the Herrera situation and Fellaini is this .. Herrera did in fact track back and get into a good position and he prevented a clear strike on goal but it was Allen who was making an additional run into the same pocket of space.. No DM could cover both those runs at the same time. That is where you need your cm partner to come back and track his runners too and that is why Pogba is to blame here.
In fellainis case he seemed oblivious to even his own duties and was standing in the wrong place and couldn't even protect against his own man that he was meant to mark. Again he wasn't helped by Pogba either but at least with Herrera you can trust him to handle his own shit.
Bottom line we are going to be dodgy defensively with Pogba as a CM so we need to use this strategy carefully because against half decent teams on the counter we will get hurt a lot with this system.
In fellainis case he seemed oblivious to even his own duties and was standing in the wrong place and couldn't even protect against his own man that he was meant to mark. Again he wasn't helped by Pogba either but at least with Herrera you can trust him to handle his own shit.
Bottom line we are going to be dodgy defensively with Pogba as a CM so we need to use this strategy carefully because against half decent teams on the counter we will get hurt a lot with this system.
Disagree - going forwards both have nice interchange of passing and we look dangerous. Defensively it lacks balance.
In my opinion Fellaini was in a similar position to Herrera - having to cover two players at once.
I think it's the opposite. Fellaini has the discipline to stay in his duties and Herrera tends to drift off a lot.
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