Amorim's Rebuild

Rebuild should start with kicking brainless dalot and getting mazraoui to play his position. Maybe Amad/malacia on the other wing.
Need competent wing backs for this formation to work.
Wish we had a fit and consistent luke shaw, lets hope he comes back strong.
 
JE-365 said:
GK
Mazraoui - Yoro - LCB
Amad - DM - Mainoo - LWB
AM - AM
ST

Onana, de Ligt, CB, Ugarte, CM, LWB, RWB, Bruno, Garnacho, Hojlund

Big rebuild is required.
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That’s perfect. Exactly how I see it.

Most of the players people think are good are backup material. And the ones people think can “do a job” or are “squad player material” all need to he sold.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
The new CEO spoke about getting rid of players after a season or two, if they are clearly shit. So hopefully we won't be stuck with rubbish like Hojlund and Zirkzee for very long and Amorim will be given some decent goal scorers
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Let’s see it he applies it to long-standing duds who should he higher priorities to move on.
 
JE-365 said:
GK
Mazraoui - Yoro - LCB
Amad - DM - Mainoo - LWB
AM - AM
ST

Onana, de Ligt, CB, Ugarte, CM, LWB, RWB, Bruno, Garnacho, Hojlund

Big rebuild is required.
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On present form, switch Ugarte and Mainoo who might not be good enough physically, too slow.
 
Hugh Jass said:
We need to get rid of a few and bring in maybe five or six more players, ones who have game intelligence.

Anthony, either rashford or garnacho, perhaps bruno need to be replaced. That is if we want to play like city or arsenal or liverpool.

I wouldnt blame amorim - its years and years of poor recruitment and renewed contracts. Rashford is on 350k a week and cannot pass the ball first time to someone four yards away.

It could be as long as arteta needed for his arsenal side.
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The worrying thing is we thought 8th last season was a shocking low, but it's probably not the bottom of the slump yet.
 
Cathy Ferguson said:
On present form, switch Ugarte and Mainoo who might not be good enough physically, too slow.
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Mainoo is definitely having a little bit of 2nd season syndrome, albeit just back from a layoff.

But we do seem a bit physically weak throughout as well as lacking aerial ability.
 
Sandikan said:
The worrying thing is we thought 8th last season was a shocking low, but it's probably not the bottom of the slump yet.
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At this rate we will finish 8th or lower. Replace a load of players in january/summer and it will be worth it....in about two years time.
 
Every player at the club is at the very least of a competent level, finding out why they're not showing this during matches is his biggest challenge (replacing the entire squad just isn't feasible)

I saw some desire to get back into things after we went behind, but nobody looked clear on exactly what or how to do it.
 
I’d be happy with any of the following being sold this window:
Rashford, Fernandes, Garnacho, Antony, Dalot, Martinez, Zirkzee and Holjund. They have all shown they aren’t good enough.
Pointless adding players out at end of season as they won’t get a new contract.
The lack of desire shown by most of them is disgraceful and Bruno is the most annoying captain ever. Gutted he got a new contract.
Already I see the scenario where most of these out last another manager due to being unable to shift them.
 
soapythecat said:
I’d be happy with any of the following being sold this window:
Rashford, Fernandes, Garnacho, Antony, Dalot, Martinez, Zirkzee and Holjund. They have all shown they aren’t good enough.
Pointless adding players out at end of season as they won’t get a new contract.
The lack of desire shown by most of them is disgraceful and Bruno is the most annoying captain ever. Gutted he got a new contract.
Already I see the scenario where most of these out last another manager due to being unable to shift them.
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Surely Onana is there
 
Whoever scouted and greenlit the transfers of Antony, Højlund, Zirkzee and Mount needs to not work at the club anymore. I don't even think that's hyperbole. Add Onana in there if you like. These transfers have collectively set back the development of the team by several years. Insane levels of incompetence.
 
Jesus I know we were crap but a huge overreaction.

We all knew the size of the task when he joined, then suddenly the whole team need selling.

Sell Mainoo, Sell Martinez, Sell Hojlund.

We know the players who aren’t good enough, we can’t do anything till Jan or the Summer.

We need a LWB in Jan, Dalot is not the answer, we created multiple chances down that side, so someone with real quality will have created a goal or two.

I believe Amorim is the man, I have faith that if we recruit the right players he will take us back to the top.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Whoever scouted and greenlit the transfers of Antony, Højlund, Zirkzee and Mount needs to not work at the club anymore. I don't even think that's hyperbole. Add Onana in there if you like. These transfers have collectively set back the development of the team by several years. Insane levels of incompetence.
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No problem with Hojlund. The problem was the fee and making him the main striker at such a young age.

Even when we brought a wonderkid Rooney in we still had RVN there.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
That’s perfect. Exactly how I see it.

Most of the players people think are good are backup material. And the ones people think can “do a job” or are “squad player material” all need to he sold.
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So why are we spending £40-50M in transfer fees on players that shouldn't even start? And a high percentage of our fanbase was cheering on the MDL + Ugarte transfers too.
 
JE-365 said:
GK
Mazraoui - Yoro - LCB
Amad - DM - Mainoo - LWB
AM - AM
ST

Onana, de Ligt, CB, Ugarte, CM, LWB, RWB, Bruno, Garnacho, Hojlund

Big rebuild is required.
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GK - Medium Priority - Onana can make great saves but also fall flat on easy ones, he does make mistakes which are costing us, but that doesn't happen every game. If we can sell on and get a good passing keeper elsewhere then we should but I feel like there are immediate other concerns.
LCB - Highest Priority - I like Martinez' attitude, but I don't think him as the LCB works in this system ultimately and we need someone of a higher physical profile. Could see us going in for Branthwaite again, but there are other options.
LWB - Highest Priority - A lot of our attacks amount to absolutely nothing on this side and Dalot seems to be an absolute liability in defense in this system too. Don't think Malacia will ever reach the physical capability needed again after his injury. Someone like Alphonso Davies or Ait-Nouri would be great.
CM - High Priority - I actually think if anything Ugarte will be the one to cement his place in the mid, mainly because he's the one doing all the dogged work, Mainoo looks gassed all the time as much as I love him, we need someone more like Ugarte but more creative and who can carry the ball on the turn.
AM - Medium Priority - I think we need to start thinking about life after Bruno, someone creative and physical, I like Mount but is he really gonna be the likes of Odegaard and so on?
AM - High Priority - Honestly don't think Amorim will accept the low amount of effort or output from the likes of Rashford, Zirkzee, and Garnacho for much longer and our creativity and movement is sorely lacking
ST - Low Priority - I think it's proven that if we actually create chances we very much can score, so to me general play and chance creation is a much bigger problem than our striker, however, we should be more for at least a player so that the likes of Hojlund doesn't have to play so many games and he can learn and grow at a comfortable level.
 
L1nk said:
GK - Medium Priority - Onana can make great saves but also fall flat on easy ones, he does make mistakes which are costing us, but that doesn't happen every game. If we can sell on and get a good passing keeper elsewhere then we should but I feel like there are immediate other concerns.
LCB - Highest Priority - I like Martinez' attitude, but I don't think him as the LCB works in this system ultimately and we need someone of a higher physical profile. Could see us going in for Branthwaite again, but there are other options.
LWB - Highest Priority - A lot of our attacks amount to absolutely nothing on this side and Dalot seems to be an absolute liability in defense in this system too. Don't think Malacia will ever reach the physical capability needed again after his injury. Someone like Alphonso Davies or Ait-Nouri would be great.
CM - High Priority - I actually think if anything Ugarte will be the one to cement his place in the mid, mainly because he's the one doing all the dogged work, Mainoo looks gassed all the time as much as I love him, we need someone more like Ugarte but more creative and who can carry the ball on the turn.
AM - Medium Priority - I think we need to start thinking about life after Bruno, someone creative and physical, I like Mount but is he really gonna be the likes of Odegaard and so on?
AM - High Priority - Honestly don't think Amorim will accept the low amount of effort or output from the likes of Rashford, Zirkzee, and Garnacho for much longer and our creativity and movement is sorely lacking
ST - Low Priority - I think it's proven that if we actually create chances we very much can score, so to me general play and chance creation is a much bigger problem than our striker, however, we should be more for at least a player so that the likes of Hojlund doesn't have to play so many games and he can learn and grow at a comfortable level.
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Striker has to be high priority. Hojlund is still easily bullied when he plays vs PL defenders, he’s still raw to be man united regular no 9.

High priority (summer 2025)
LCB, LWB, AM, CM, ST

Medium priority (summer 2025 or summer 2026)
GK, AM, DM, CB, 2nd LWB

Low priority (summer 2026 / summer 2027)
RWB
 
Not to be greedy and try to be a bit realistic, for me, highest priority would be getting very good LWB and CF.

Just see the amount of wasted chances Dialot made, and imagine if those fall to WB like Davies or Robertson.

And Hojlund is just not ready. It's devastating to see how basic of a footballer he's; and it seems like Amorim's system rely on their CF, more than any other positions.
 
GK
Mazraoui - Yoro - LCB
Amad - DM - Mainoo - Davies
Writz - Eze
Gyokeres

Onana, de Ligt, CB, Ugarte, CM, LWB, RWB, Bruno, Garnacho, Hojlund
 
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bb8 said:
So why are we spending £40-50M in transfer fees on players that shouldn't even start? And a high percentage of our fanbase was cheering on the MDL + Ugarte transfers too.
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Because by and large football fans are stupid and will cheer for any shiny new toy, except for obvious rubbish like Mason Mount and Fellani
 
Utterly disappointing yesterday but reading most of the comments in here is even worse.

Let’s get a striker … let’s go for Gykores as he’s the flavour. What’s he’s going to do in this team? He did average at Coventry and has done well in Portugal so that’s an absolute guarantee he will
Rip the prem up isn’t it ?

People list the team they want to see to improve the current situation with no Ugarte. What did you watch yesterday ? He was head and shoulders the best player on the pitch.

We need to go back to basics and build. The first requirement is that the shirt means everything - short comings can be forgiven if you give your all. If a defeat occurs you need to see it in the face of the players.

The recruitment needs to be driven by desire not stats ala Sancho - anybody who knows the first thing about football knew that would not work out apart from one guy on Red Caf who says his numbers are not normal because he had a slightly better game against PSG but when broken down was so laughable.

The worst part is that it easier to list the players to keep rather than the ones to let go. It’s even more mind boggling that players like Mount are given the time of day - the modern Tom Cleverly.

If we can make signings in January the absolute must is to get attacking players who are comfortable on the ball and can beat a man with dribbling quality, it is paramount for this system to succeed the worst thing we can do is go big on a striker because unless they are R9 or Henry they are going to struggle big time.

Look through the academy and see if any of them have quality and more importantly desire , if so promote.

In 35 years I have never been so disappointed with a performance.

What a rant.
 
It's a huge task for him to rebuild from this. Even some of our 'touted' stars just are not good enough for this system. Garnacho can't play LWB because he can't defend or cross, and he can't play the #10 roles because he's not creative and has bad decision making. Since he's essentially useless to this style and formation he needs to go too.
 
Two wing backs that fit the bill, one for each side, a CM that has an engine and can pass the ball, and a CB that can play 3 at the back. This will do for now.

The CM will be hardest to find.
 
JE-365 said:
GK
Mazraoui - Yoro - LCB
Amad - DM - Mainoo - LWB
AM - AM
ST

Onana, de Ligt, CB, Ugarte, CM, LWB, RWB, Bruno, Garnacho, Hojlund

Big rebuild is required.
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I'm not concinced Mainoo has the intensity Amorim wants in the pivot. Maybe he'll transition to one of the 10s.
 
Wait, are people seriously saying we should sell Onana because he had a bad game yesterday? This in spite of the fact that he has been one of the highest performing keepers in the league this season?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised any more...
 
My assessment after the first few games:
  • GK - Onana, Altay or whoever as backup is fine
  • RCB - Mazraoui, Yoro - quality for starter and depth
  • CB - De Ligt, Maguire - fine. Maguire old and injury prone so might replace him but De Ligt is a good player I think and will just stay there. Not urgent work needed here
  • LCB - ???, Martinez - Problematic fitness issues for Shaw, Martinez isn't perfect for it as he struggles covering wide spaces and is small/slow. Branthwaite rumors make sense to replace Shaw especially and address Martinez's limitations. I'm sure we can find buyers for him if we move him on
  • RWB/RM - Amad, ??? - Amad is quality. Rumors for Quenda make sense as he's similar profile to Amad, just very young.
  • CM (playmaker) - Mainoo, Bruno - Think they will be the 2 who rotate here. I quite like it as a mix, though others understandably don't. Mainoo enormous potential and will be fine. Bruno I've actually liked in that role.
  • CM (ball winner) - Ugarte, ??? - Loving what I see from Ugarte. He'll be a constant in our team for years to come I think. Need a player who can rotate/back him up though, as it's a very tiring role and Ugarte can't do that every game.
  • LWB/LM - ???, Dalot, Amass - Dalot has looked awkward there, though I'm sure he'll keep a spot in the squad. This side will be the more defensive, fullback style wing back while the other side is more of a winger, but still a bit awkward. Need a left footer as the passing angles and natural movement don't really fit what we need from that side. Amass eventual development ideal.
  • RAM (playmaker) - ???, Mount - Mount is an expensive backup level player so he'll probably leave before long. Doesn't do enough. Bruno I see more as a CM long term in this system though given other work he'll be rotating here for a bit too. Definitely one where we'll look to strengthen eventually with a top, press resistant player.
  • LAM (half winger type who can run with the ball and be a goal threat) - Garnacho, ??? - Garnacho has huge potential and is young. He's done fine, but is young and inconsistent. He'll improve, and I don't see us buying somebody to bin him off or bench him. Rashford doesn't really fit there.
  • ST - ???, Hojlund, Zirkzee - meh on them but they're young and have shown signs of life under Amorim. Zirkzee in particular I think is an awkward fit while Hojlund seems too limited but is closer to what Amorim will want. Wouldn't surprise me to see a big purchase next summer like Gyokeres to be the main guy and Hojlund to back him up, just because your team really struggles without a quality 9.
Guessing the starting and backup lineup in a few years:
Onana
Yoro De Ligt ???
Amad Ugarte Mainoo ???
??? Garnacho
???

Altay/?
Mazraoui ??? ???
??? ??? Bruno Amass
??? ???
Hojlund​

Signings of guys like Branthwaite, not sure who for left wing back, Quenda, Gyokeres, and so on.
 
bosnian_red said:
My assessment after the first few games:
  • GK - Onana, Altay or whoever as backup is fine
  • RCB - Mazraoui, Yoro - quality for starter and depth
  • CB - De Ligt, Maguire - fine. Maguire old and injury prone so might replace him but De Ligt is a good player I think and will just stay there. Not urgent work needed here
  • LCB - ???, Martinez - Problematic fitness issues for Shaw, Martinez isn't perfect for it as he struggles covering wide spaces and is small/slow. Branthwaite rumors make sense to replace Shaw especially and address Martinez's limitations. I'm sure we can find buyers for him if we move him on
  • RWB/RM - Amad, ??? - Amad is quality. Rumors for Quenda make sense as he's similar profile to Amad, just very young.
  • CM (playmaker) - Mainoo, Bruno - Think they will be the 2 who rotate here. I quite like it as a mix, though others understandably don't. Mainoo enormous potential and will be fine. Bruno I've actually liked in that role.
  • CM (ball winner) - Ugarte, ??? - Loving what I see from Ugarte. He'll be a constant in our team for years to come I think. Need a player who can rotate/back him up though, as it's a very tiring role and Ugarte can't do that every game.
  • LWB/LM - ???, Dalot, Amass - Dalot has looked awkward there, though I'm sure he'll keep a spot in the squad. This side will be the more defensive, fullback style wing back while the other side is more of a winger, but still a bit awkward. Need a left footer as the passing angles and natural movement don't really fit what we need from that side. Amass eventual development ideal.
  • RAM (playmaker) - ???, Mount - Mount is an expensive backup level player so he'll probably leave before long. Doesn't do enough. Bruno I see more as a CM long term in this system though given other work he'll be rotating here for a bit too. Definitely one where we'll look to strengthen eventually with a top, press resistant player.
  • LAM (half winger type who can run with the ball and be a goal threat) - Garnacho, ??? - Garnacho has huge potential and is young. He's done fine, but is young and inconsistent. He'll improve, and I don't see us buying somebody to bin him off or bench him. Rashford doesn't really fit there.
  • ST - ???, Hojlund, Zirkzee - meh on them but they're young and have shown signs of life under Amorim. Zirkzee in particular I think is an awkward fit while Hojlund seems too limited but is closer to what Amorim will want. Wouldn't surprise me to see a big purchase next summer like Gyokeres to be the main guy and Hojlund to back him up, just because your team really struggles without a quality 9.
Guessing the starting and backup lineup in a few years:
Onana
Yoro De Ligt ???
Amad Ugarte Mainoo ???
??? Garnacho
???

Altay/?
Mazraoui ??? ???
??? ??? Bruno Amass
??? ???
Hojlund​

Signings of guys like Branthwaite, not sure who for left wing back, Quenda, Gyokeres, and so on.
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I agree in general and 4 quality signings are a minimum. But there are also question marks over Mainoo and Garnacho. The present squad will average 1.1-1.4 points per game.
 
Holters said:
I'm not concinced Mainoo has the intensity Amorim wants in the pivot. Maybe he'll transition to one of the 10s.
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may be. But I thought Mainoo looks good on the weekend vs Forrest.
 
RDCR07 said:
I don’t think he did.
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I though my he was steady.

Composed on the ball, was combative, wasn’t his best but he’d just come back from an injury.

I don’t see why he can’t be playing that box to box midfielder for Amorim.

Or am I missing something?
 
Anyone have any thoughts on Joao Gomes from wolves?

Been impressed with him tonight, wouldn’t cost a lot if Wolves were relegated.
 
Now more than ever we need to sort out a few free transfers to sort out the squad. I hope Vivell and Wilcox sit down with players in Jan to sign a pre contract agreement.
 
RDCR07 said:
Now more than ever we need to sort out a few free transfers to sort out the squad. I hope Vivell and Wilcox sit down with players in Jan to sign a pre contract agreement.
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Barring Alphonso Davies, what other players of potential interest are FT this summer?
 
Are people still questioning the £20-25m I said we could realistically receive for Rashford in the OP? I’m actually starting to think that’s higher than what we can get for this piece of trash.
 
Amorim made a statement yesterday about needing left footed players like Amad to play the right 10 role. Right now if Amad is the only one that can truly fit Amorims requirement in that role, then a left footed attacker should be a priority
 
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