Amorim's Rebuild

Josep Dowling said:
Amorin may be an incredible coach but it’s very typical of United’s decision makers to go with a coach that plays a completely different system to last. That only means a major transition period and loads of money needs spending on new players.

Why couldn’t they go for a manager that played a similar system to Ten Hag? Half our best players don’t fit Amorim’s system. Look at the way Slot came into Liverpool. No major system changes and they have continued on again.
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Liverpool were good under Klopp. United were mediocre under Ten Haag.
 
I'd love us to sign Alexander Isak.

Premier league proven although his injury record isn't the greatest.
 
We need someone athletic and strong to partner Ugarte in midfield.
 
I think there's two or three positions where United can improve upon with athleticism.
 
I believe we should prioritize the LWB and RWB positions, we need quality players there than can make a difference, defensively and offensively.
Going from a 4 at the back to a 3 at the back is a massive change and it will take time to find the right players and train the ones that we have to adjust to the new system.
 
Personally I think United should prioritise bringing in some real high quality offensive talent and move on Rashford.
There's no one, imo, in our side that the top 6 sides in this league are fearful of.
 
From watching the Newcastle and Liverpool game to our match the difference in midfield quality was clear. Newcastle have 2 dynamic midfielders in Bruno and Joelinton who are able to turn on the ball, shake a man, and progress the ball forward; whether that be through a solo drive or a well placed pass.

Ugarte isn’t able to do this and our Bruno is clearly more effective in a more advanced position. I truly think a good dynamic midfielder could make this team a lot more dangerous in transition
 
We need to make tough decisions. There needs to be a 3 year plan ending with challenging for the title. Anyone that wont be needed needs to be sold. For example - Rashford - Will be 30, doesn't fit the system. Sell. Bruno - Will be 33. Sell. This needs to be discussed and decided with all players but I can see these players not fitting or getting too old

1) Garnacho. Yes class player but does he fit as a 10
2) Rashford
3) Bruno
4) Martinez - Does he really fit. Too slow and too short. Brilliant player though but feel he will be exposed.
5) Dalot - Dont think he is suited as fist choice. Need someone like Frimpong
6) Maguire - Think he should get a new contract. Ideal back up in a 3.
7) Shaw - Done
8) Mount - Needs to step up. If not sell

Thats a lot of our main players and people will try and hang on to them for dear life. But other teams dont do that. Chelsea, Arsenal, City all get rid of players that dont fit even if they are good.

We will need - First team 1 CB / 2 Midfielder / LWB / RWB / 1 Number 10 / 1 Striker and Back Up LWB and Back up CB at least. This is what I think a first 11 will look like that could challenge. Obviously we cant do this in one window and the names will change on availability/price etc but over 2/3 seasons we need to get to this level of quality plus good back up options


Onana
Yoro De Ligt Lukeba
Frimpong Ugarte Mainoo Davies
Amad Wirtz
Goykeres

Back Up
Bayendir
Mazroui Maguire Tah
Amad/Mazroui Stiller Reijdeers Alvaro
Mount Zirkzee
Hojlund
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Ideal Next Window
Stiller - 40 mill
Reijdeers - 50 mill
Frimpong - 40 mill
Davies - Free
Tah - Free
Goykeres - 70 mill

Yes its unlikely but we should at least have an ideal target. 200 mill for the above - up to 250 if Im way wrong is doable if we sell Rashford and one or two others. We can also drop one midfielder and/or Frimpong etc and get the equivalent in the next window
 
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To me Garnacho doesn't fit what Amorim wants to do at all. Sell before his value falls.
 
His No10's can dribble and drive with the ball, whisk being technical and intelligent, only Amad fits that description in the whole team. Neither Rashford or Gernacho.

His 2 in midfield are pressing resistant, and are also able to drive with the ball, to be honest Bruno doesn't fit into either.

We are currently dealing square pegs and round holes. Will be interesting to see how Ruben solves this.
 
UpWithRivers said:
We need to make tough decisions. There needs to be a 3 year plan ending with challenging for the title. Anyone that wont be needed needs to be sold. For example - Rashford - Will be 30, doesn't fit the system. Sell. Bruno - Will be 33. Sell. This needs to be discussed and decided with all players but I can see these players not fitting or getting too old

1) Garnacho. Yes class player but does he fit as a 10
2) Rashford
3) Bruno
4) Martinez - Does he really fit. Too slow and too short. Brilliant player though but feel he will be exposed.
5) Dalot - Dont think he is suited as fist choice. Need someone like Frimpong
6) Maguire - Think he should get a new contract. Ideal back up in a 3.
7) Shaw - Done
8) Mount - Needs to step up. If not sell

Thats a lot of our main players and people will try and hang on to them for dear life. But other teams dont do that. Chelsea, Arsenal, City all get rid of players that dont fit even if they are good.

We will need - First team 1 CB / 2 Midfielder / LWB / RWB / 1 Number 10 / 1 Striker and Back Up LWB and Back up CB at least. This is what I think a first 11 will look like that could challenge. Obviously we cant do this in one window and the names will change on availability/price etc but over 2/3 seasons we need to get to this level of quality plus good back up options


Onana
Yoro De Ligt Lukeba
Frimpong Ugarte Mainoo Davies
Amad Wirtz
Goykeres

Back Up
Bayendir
Mazroui Maguire Tah
Amad/Mazroui Stiller Reijdeers Alvaro
Mount Zirkzee
Hojlund
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Ideal Next Window
Stiller - 40 mill
Reijdeers - 50 mill
Frimpong - 40 mill
Davies - Free
Tah - Free
Goykeres - 70 mill

Yes its unlikely but we should at least have an ideal target. 200 mill for the above - up to 250 if Im way wrong is doable if we sell Rashford and one or two others. We can also drop one midfielder and/or Frimpong etc and get the equivalent in the next window
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I could be wrong but I’m fairly sure we are actually skint now unless SJR injects funds into the transfer kitty for more shares or we sell a few big players. Things are starting to come to a head which is why the glazers partially sold in the first place.
 
Ali Dia said:
I could be wrong but I’m fairly sure we are actually skint now unless SJR injects funds into the transfer kitty for more shares or we sell a few big players. Things are starting to come to a head which is why the glazers partially sold in the first place.
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Which is why we need to make tough decisions now. Rashford, Bruno, Martinez, Dalot etc. If we can sell and get something for them 40 mill on average each that we can put towards other players we should do it. No point keeping them to be around 5th place for the next 3, 4, 5 years then they are in their 30's and worth nothing or go for free.
 
Are there any good speedy central backs available? De Ligt and Yoro aren’t going anywhere. Mazouri obviously isn’t. We need to pacy guys to deploy as cover when the ball is played over the top.
 
Decisions to be made on Rashford & Garnacho. Both of them excel with space infront they can run in to, the number 10s in this 3-4-3 will find themselves in congested areas more often than not though, and that is not going to work for them.

If they are willing to graft I can see Garnacho being the RWB, but Rashford, I think it may be the end of the road him. Maybe he shares the no9 with hojlund but rasmus (or a new gyokores will take lead)

Zirkzee just doesn't have it. Constantly half a yard of the pace, no idea what we saw in him.

Would like to see this tried out. Maz as wing back with diallo further up allowed more freedom:


. Onana
. Yoro de ligt. Martinez
Mazrouri. Mainoo. Ugarte. Garnacho
. Diallo. Hojlund. Bruno.
 
Chelsea are showing this season that it doesn’t take much of a rebuild. Just trim the squad sign a couple of class players and then we’re good to go.
 
FrankDrebin said:
Personally I think United should prioritise bringing in some real high quality offensive talent and move on Rashford.
There's no one, imo, in our side that the top 6 sides in this league are fearful of.
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We have 1 quality attacker currently and he’s stuck playing RWB at the moment. I agree, at least two real injections of quality into the attack is paramount if we want to progress at all. Results will come much easier if you have attackers that are constantly creating danger and able to hurt teams, even if the overall team performance is still spotty at times (just look at our 21/22 side, many games that season we played like crap but we had Bruno-Pogba-Cavani-Greenwood-Rashford bailing us out especially in the latter half of the year).

I think it’s clear Amorims structure and style will work, and provide a platform for quality players to thrive. Just have to get those players in
 
We will be in a better place as a club/squad when Rashford, Shaw and Casemiro are moved on.

What message does it send to new players coming in, or young players breaking through, when they see the contracts that these three have for such little output?
 
Canucantona20 said:
Problem is we have trouble signing the right players.
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I’d say we did well so far in INEOS’s first summer. Yoro, Ugarte, Maz+ MdL combo all looking like quality buys. Zirkzee might be a miss but that was also a calculated risk based on needing another striker and his price.

The actual needs and profiles become much clearer in this system too.
 
gulli_G said:
His No10's can dribble and drive with the ball, whisk being technical and intelligent, only Amad fits that description in the whole team. Neither Rashford or Gernacho.

His 2 in midfield are pressing resistant, and are also able to drive with the ball, to be honest Bruno doesn't fit into either.

We are currently dealing square pegs and round holes. Will be interesting to see how Ruben solves this.
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The tough answer no one’s wants to hear is that selling Bruno is the best way to deal with all of this.
 
Sentence said:
I agree on Dalot. I like him a lot but I don't think he fits any of the new positions.
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Agree too. He has had a few opportunities now an either flank and he just doesn't do enough. A good RB but doesn't fit a wing back. He wants to come inside too often
 
gulli_G said:
His No10's can dribble and drive with the ball, whisk being technical and intelligent, only Amad fits that description in the whole team. Neither Rashford or Gernacho.

His 2 in midfield are pressing resistant, and are also able to drive with the ball, to be honest Bruno doesn't fit into either.

We are currently dealing square pegs and round holes. Will be interesting to see how Ruben solves this.
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With Yoro fit I'd like to see him at RCB, maz at RWB and Amad in one of the AMF spots
 
I think clearing out the higher earners like Maguire and Rashford makes sense if we want to free up cash for the rebuild. For left-back, I’d definitely consider Fernandes, but I’m a bit hesitant on Reis even though he’s free in the summer—he’s a solid player, but I’ve seen some inconsistency. For defensive mid, Holjmund could be a decent option, but I’d prefer someone with a bit more experience if Casemiro leaves. As for attack, Cunha is a big investment, but he could be worth it, while David would be a smart pick if we can get him on a free. If we’re looking at new center-backs, Inacio looks promising and could be a good addition alongside someone like Tah, especially since he’s out of contract.
 
RDCR07 said:
Are there any good speedy central backs available? De Ligt and Yoro aren’t going anywhere. Mazouri obviously isn’t. We need to pacy guys to deploy as cover when the ball is played over the top.
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Tah is fast and free. He's not the best but I think he will do as an option if dont have cash. Otherwise Lukeba for LCB and Yoro should be enough speed
 
DJ_21 said:
Chelsea are showing this season that it doesn’t take much of a rebuild. Just trim the squad sign a couple of class players and then we’re good to go.
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Yep, no trouble here. That mindset is one of the cornerstones of why we are where we are. "Just bring in a couple of class players"
 
We need to bin off

Rashford
Bruno
Mount
Casemiro.
Dalot.

All these chaps have been very underwhelming



He needs a very complete midfielder. A modric specs.

He needs to sign a top striker.

If we sign these 2 top players 70m each. Then we can add other 2 squad players.

But we need 2 top top players.
 
Is Amorim known for retraining players into different positions, football manager style?

Wonder who from our existing squad could be retrained. My initial thought was I wonder if he could make use of Antony in the wing back role, think it might work.
 
NZT-One said:
Yep, no trouble here. That mindset is one of the cornerstones of why we are where we are. "Just bring in a couple of class players"
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So the club as the same mindset? We haven’t signed class players though, we’ve signed Antony and Zirkzee and Mount…. I can go on. Teams like Chelsea have just brought in a new manager and yet there 2nd in the league, playing decent football.
 
Cee90 said:
Is Amorim known for retraining players into different positions, football manager style?

Wonder who from our existing squad could be retrained. My initial thought was I wonder if he could make use of Antony in the wing back role, think it might work.
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Not when Amad as already cemented that place. No point changing something that’s worked. He’s been our best player playing in that role.
 
Josep Dowling said:
Amorin may be an incredible coach but it’s very typical of United’s decision makers to go with a coach that plays a completely different system to last. That only means a major transition period and loads of money needs spending on new players.

Why couldn’t they go for a manager that played a similar system to Ten Hag? Half our best players don’t fit Amorim’s system. Look at the way Slot came into Liverpool. No major system changes and they have continued on again.
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We’ve played a variation of 4231 for goodness knows how many years and for many reasons it’s not worked. I’d usually be onboard with not having too drastic a change of style, but this time we needed it and it appears to have given the players a new lease of life and belief.

(Early days of course…)
 
Josep Dowling said:
Amorin may be an incredible coach but it’s very typical of United’s decision makers to go with a coach that plays a completely different system to last. That only means a major transition period and loads of money needs spending on new players.

Why couldn’t they go for a manager that played a similar system to Ten Hag? Half our best players don’t fit Amorim’s system. Look at the way Slot came into Liverpool. No major system changes and they have continued on again.
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I think that’s mainly down to the excellent job Klopp oversaw of rebuilding the midfield. The team was ready to step up.

Patience really is needed. Amorim will get the best out of the players we have. Yes his system won’t suit all of them but it’s not far fetched to expect players to adapt. For me he is the right manager you can already see a difference and that’s with a full system change too.

We just may have to be smarter with transfers than previously.
 
DJ_21 said:
So the club as the same mindset? We haven’t signed class players though, we’ve signed Antony and Zirkzee and Mount…. I can go on. Teams like Chelsea have just brought in a new manager and yet there 2nd in the league, playing decent football.
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Chelsea spent over a billion the past couple of years bringing in loads of promising players from all over… let’s not act we have the same potential within our squad that just a couple top players changes everything.

Now, that doesn’t mean I think we need some 3 or 4 years to rebuild. Just that Chelsea is a poor example of turning around a sinking ship with a new manager.
 
The day after SAF retired, the club should have appointed an experienced director of football. We wouldn't then be in a situation where half of the squad isn't suitable for each new manager.,
 
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