For 10 million I wouldnt mind Zirkzee at Feyenoord 
Amorim's Rebuild
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) review both the Everton and Bodø/Glimt victories at Old Trafford. Listen to the guys discuss 2 wins and 7 goals in the last week, analyse of the Amorim formation, focus on Amad and how he is playing, and also take a look at Hojlund, Rashford & Zirkzee – who starts v Arsenal?
Bring in 2 or 3 athletic players, either clear first choices or highly rated young players who will progress quickly. INEOS look to have got it almost right this past summer with 4 hits and a miss (Zirkzee). More of the same please.
The other part is that we already have some highly rated teenagers who may possibly become squad players soon enough.
The other part is that we already have some highly rated teenagers who may possibly become squad players soon enough.
One thing about last night was that you could see a clear strategy in how we play, which was to try to play down the middle with patient build up before switching the play to one of our wing backs. Amad seems to be doing well in that position if he can get the ball high up the pitch but we could do with a set of quick, athletic and skilful wingers/wing backs who can create when receiving the ball from a switch and also defend well when tracking back.
Sensible post.
Shaw is really useful in this system as can cover two positions.
Eriksen will go, as will Lindelof, and Malacia may get a move if he can’t get back to how he was. There’s every chance Casemiro may move if the right deal comes in.
Adding Gomes and Davies on frees would make sense. Would also allow FFP wriggle room.
Well no shit Sherlock. This is in addition to what ever our transfer kitty is in the summer. Prolly £75-100m?
you’re the only person in the world who thinks Maguire can command a fee of £20m. Firstly his contract expires in the summer. We have an option to extend for another year but still haven’t taken it. Secondly he’s been injured a lot. He is on almost £200k per week too. Move him on. Get someone younger and quicker. No big club will want him. He isn’t in demand. Fine £30-35m then. Only smaller teams can afford him and hence the fee will considerably be lower so teams can afford his wages. No point in keeping him just cause teams don’t offer £50-60m. We took a hit on Sancho. Rashford is pure profit cause he is an academy player.
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I originally had Mount as part of this list but Amorim is raving about him. So if he manages to stay injury free this season I can see him being given at least one more season.
And if they ship Zirkzee out quick they’ll win a lot of praise from me for acting quick and letting him hang around for years.
Who are the list of academy players who might get a run in the 1st team next year?
Harry Amass
Ethan Wheatley
Jack Fletcher
Seykou Kone
Anyone else? We have to make use of these players while getting in a couple of free transfers to help improve the squad to get around FFP.
Harry Amass
Ethan Wheatley
Jack Fletcher
Seykou Kone
Anyone else? We have to make use of these players while getting in a couple of free transfers to help improve the squad to get around FFP.
What's bizarre his injury record is horrific what makes you think he will stay fit enough to be part of his plans?
He's only the coach, if Ineos say we need to get his wages off the books due to his availability Amorim may be forced into the position of having to let him go to free up the wages and squad space for a more reliable player.
-------------------------- Gyokeres -------------------------
-------------------------- Hojlund. --------------------------
------------- Bruno ---------------------Mount------------
------------- Mainoo ------------------Amad -------------
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--------------- Eriksen ------------- Ugarte -------------
-------------- Rigg ------------------ Mazza ------------
Davies --------------------------------------------- Mazza
Shaw -------------------------------------------------Dalot
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------- Brainthwaite -- De Ligt -- Yoro ------------
--------------- Butcher --- Harry --- Mazza ---------
This team would be pretty damn solid for 4 transfers
70 - Gyokeres
40? - Rigg
0 - Davies
70 - Brainthwaite
180
55 - Rashford
15? - Case
25 - Sancho
20 - Antony
10 - Lindeloff
125
55 net, wages likely reduced
Could perhaps do Brainthwaite and Rigg in the
Still needs a world class CM to replace Eriksen
No idea what to do with Nacho
-------------------------- Hojlund. --------------------------
------------- Bruno ---------------------Mount------------
------------- Mainoo ------------------Amad -------------
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--------------- Eriksen ------------- Ugarte -------------
-------------- Rigg ------------------ Mazza ------------
Davies --------------------------------------------- Mazza
Shaw -------------------------------------------------Dalot
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------- Brainthwaite -- De Ligt -- Yoro ------------
--------------- Butcher --- Harry --- Mazza ---------
This team would be pretty damn solid for 4 transfers
70 - Gyokeres
40? - Rigg
0 - Davies
70 - Brainthwaite
180
55 - Rashford
15? - Case
25 - Sancho
20 - Antony
10 - Lindeloff
125
55 net, wages likely reduced
Could perhaps do Brainthwaite and Rigg in the
Still needs a world class CM to replace Eriksen
No idea what to do with Nacho
Not having a pop but there is no way we can get 125m for those. We cannot sell these players and haven't been able to move people on for any kind of decent money for years.-------------------------- Gyokeres -------------------------
-------------------------- Hojlund. --------------------------
------------- Bruno ---------------------Mount------------
------------- Mainoo ------------------Amad -------------
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--------------- Eriksen ------------- Ugarte -------------
-------------- Rigg ------------------ Mazza ------------
Davies --------------------------------------------- Mazza
Shaw -------------------------------------------------Dalot
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------- Brainthwaite -- De Ligt -- Yoro ------------
--------------- Butcher --- Harry --- Mazza ---------
This team would be pretty damn solid for 4 transfers
70 - Gyokeres
40? - Rigg
0 - Davies
70 - Brainthwaite
180
55 - Rashford
15? - Case
25 - Sancho
20 - Antony
10 - Lindeloff
125
55 net, wages likely reduced
Could perhaps do Brainthwaite and Rigg in the
Still needs a world class CM to replace Eriksen
No idea what to do with Nacho
We sold Mctominay for £30m in the summer?
And he's getting rave reviews since - 30m from us would be 50 from Fulham.
feck rebuilds.
Continuous, incremental improvement is the way forward.
Continuous, incremental improvement is the way forward.
It’s decent money though and shows we are capable of getting it
What the hell are you on? £55m for Rash? Two years ago PSG would have paid that. Not how. £15m for Case? Even Saudi won’t pay that. His salary is that much. Lindelof is out of contract. Who exactly will pay for that?-------------------------- Gyokeres -------------------------
-------------------------- Hojlund. --------------------------
------------- Bruno ---------------------Mount------------
------------- Mainoo ------------------Amad -------------
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--------------- Eriksen ------------- Ugarte -------------
-------------- Rigg ------------------ Mazza ------------
Davies --------------------------------------------- Mazza
Shaw -------------------------------------------------Dalot
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------- Brainthwaite -- De Ligt -- Yoro ------------
--------------- Butcher --- Harry --- Mazza ---------
This team would be pretty damn solid for 4 transfers
70 - Gyokeres
40? - Rigg
0 - Davies
70 - Brainthwaite
180
55 - Rashford
15? - Case
25 - Sancho
20 - Antony
10 - Lindeloff
125
55 net, wages likely reduced
Could perhaps do Brainthwaite and Rigg in the
Still needs a world class CM to replace Eriksen
No idea what to do with Nacho
I see a lot of optimism here. According to the finincial reports we're gonna have a really tight budget for the summer so Amorim's task will be to make the most out of the current squad. And of course the biggest problem is that the players we want to sell, Antony, Rashford, Maguire and so on barely worth more than a bag of beans. So i guess we should forget players like Gyökeres, Kvarachelia and all these expensive guys. Instead a few youngsters like Dibling from Southampton and some free agents, i guess that would be it. But we still have to get rid of Rash, Maguire, Antony, etc. because of their high wages, otherwise no proper signings will be possible.
We are broke. It will be free transfers and young players. Quite a few players to leave.
No one is paying big money for our overpaid dress. We see this every year yet posters on here never learn
Let me ask you something. How much do you think Leao would go for?
Mctominay was on low wages. The others aren't
Bingo. That's the bottom line.
Besides the obvious ones, i.e., Evans, Lindelof and Eriksen, I think we'll try to offload Antony, maybe Malacia, Rashford and maybe Zirkzee.
Although it was his first game back, it reminded me what an idiot Antony really is. Run with the ball, try that useless hop, pass back ...
Malacia seems to have lost some pace although it was his first game in ages.
First season and all but so far Zirkzee feels quite slow for his tactics. Maybe it's partly due to the poor squad fitness, so we'll have to see.
Bruno deserved to play under a better manager but he's not suited to the 2 man midfield imo. Not sure why he hasn't been tried on either side of the striker. We won't sell but am intrigued to see how we get the best out of him.
Although it was his first game back, it reminded me what an idiot Antony really is. Run with the ball, try that useless hop, pass back ...
Malacia seems to have lost some pace although it was his first game in ages.
First season and all but so far Zirkzee feels quite slow for his tactics. Maybe it's partly due to the poor squad fitness, so we'll have to see.
Bruno deserved to play under a better manager but he's not suited to the 2 man midfield imo. Not sure why he hasn't been tried on either side of the striker. We won't sell but am intrigued to see how we get the best out of him.
Why does that matter?
We need to be looking at young players with promise, who could compete right away, with a high ceiling.
Tyler Dibling - Looked brilliant tonight, 18 years of age full of pace, only going to improve could beat for the 10s roles - 30/40 million depending on how much Southampton want.
Ait Nouri - We all know his quality, 23 turns 24 in June. got 2 years left - recon would be about 40 million.
Ayyoub Bouaddi - 17 years of age, technical midfielder, athletic, could compete for the deeper midfielder role - 40-50 million.
Geovany Quenda - 17 years of age, technical, Greta dribbler, pace and passing, could compete with Amad for RWB, or push him further forward - 50-60 million.
Yes they are expensive and costing about 200 million on 4 players, but all if successful would be part of the team for the next 5-10 years.
Any one disagree?
Tyler Dibling - Looked brilliant tonight, 18 years of age full of pace, only going to improve could beat for the 10s roles - 30/40 million depending on how much Southampton want.
Ait Nouri - We all know his quality, 23 turns 24 in June. got 2 years left - recon would be about 40 million.
Ayyoub Bouaddi - 17 years of age, technical midfielder, athletic, could compete for the deeper midfielder role - 40-50 million.
Geovany Quenda - 17 years of age, technical, Greta dribbler, pace and passing, could compete with Amad for RWB, or push him further forward - 50-60 million.
Yes they are expensive and costing about 200 million on 4 players, but all if successful would be part of the team for the next 5-10 years.
Any one disagree?
By June 2025, Amorim will have had enough time t understand what works in this league, and what won’t work. I don’t think we will look that similar to Sporting, besides the formation.
That’s what I find so funny about these rumours linking us to all these players already. Amorim needs to assess the limitations in his squad and adapt accordingly. He isn’t going to have a shortlist of players yet.
From an early point of view, I think the two main things he has realised is needed greater athletes and players who can play between the lines.
We need athletes, this was also true under ETH. The best teams of the past decade, but in particular Real Madrid and Liverpool, both had players who could physically overwhelm their opposition. It was relentless, and based off the style that Amorim has chosen throughout his career, it’s a similar type of player we will need. Not just stamina, but strength and speed.
That’s what I find so funny about these rumours linking us to all these players already. Amorim needs to assess the limitations in his squad and adapt accordingly. He isn’t going to have a shortlist of players yet.
From an early point of view, I think the two main things he has realised is needed greater athletes and players who can play between the lines.
We need athletes, this was also true under ETH. The best teams of the past decade, but in particular Real Madrid and Liverpool, both had players who could physically overwhelm their opposition. It was relentless, and based off the style that Amorim has chosen throughout his career, it’s a similar type of player we will need. Not just stamina, but strength and speed.
i hope we can get him a CM who can run in January, otherwise it's gonna be a struggle in there
We will definitely need the following over the next two windows, in order of priority:
January:
1. A left wing back - Davis/Alvarez
2. A physical and athletic centre midfielder to replace Case’s role - Ederson
Summer:
1. A playmaking centre midfielder - we need one once Eriksen goes
2. A left centre back - Branthwaite; this can wait though until we see how Licha and Shaw do in this role
3. A centre forward - Gyokeres; this can wait until we see how Zirkzee does through the season
Maybe our starting eleven for next season could be something like:
Hoijlund
Bruno Amad
Davis Ederson Ugarte Mazraoui
Branthwaite DeLigt Yoro
Onana
January:
1. A left wing back - Davis/Alvarez
2. A physical and athletic centre midfielder to replace Case’s role - Ederson
Summer:
1. A playmaking centre midfielder - we need one once Eriksen goes
2. A left centre back - Branthwaite; this can wait though until we see how Licha and Shaw do in this role
3. A centre forward - Gyokeres; this can wait until we see how Zirkzee does through the season
Maybe our starting eleven for next season could be something like:
Hoijlund
Bruno Amad
Davis Ederson Ugarte Mazraoui
Branthwaite DeLigt Yoro
Onana
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Players who I think don't fit the system short term;
Christian Eriksen - (off on a free in the summer)
Jonny Evans - (off on a free in the summer)
Tyrell Malacia - Listen I think he probably still has the talent, rust will play a factor, but I think this long out, a knee injury, look how he got done for pace against Bodo. Unfortunately through no fault of his own I think he won't physically be the same player he was anymore, and just won't stamp his place longterm at that LWB
Casemiro - Think he doesn't fit the physical output Amorim will want
Victor Lindelof - Think he could do a job on the RCB position, think he's got good passing, but likely to be off on a free in the summer, and never been the most physical
Players who I think will have question marks longterm (not necessarily a question of ability, but system fit);
Marcus Rashford - Amorim has already said he doesn't think Rashford's best position is the 9, he'll never play as a WB because he just isn't industrious enough, so that leaves the two 10 positions, but usually he likes to have someone in the mould of Mount/Bruno in one of them, and then someone in the mould of Rashford/Garnacho in the other. So I feel like he really needs to make that one position his his own if he is to have a long term future under Amorim.
Bruno Fernandes - From Amorim's words so far we can tell he really loves a player like Mason Mount, and if he stays fit, I think we'll see him in one of the 10 positions more often than not. We know Bruno can play there, but judging by Amorim's recent comments about how Bruno plays the game, in his system he seems to think Bruno fits more of one of the 8's and whilst he has good workrate, his athleticism isn't the best. We'd also have to deal with the idea that it will mean the likes of Mainoo playing less.
Joshua Zirkzee - I put him in the long term because he's still very early into his first season. However I don't like the early signs, I don't wanna seem like a hypocrite and write a player off really early, but I don't think it's a question of his ability. At least when Hojlund or Garnacho are having bad days you can at least see they can keep up with the league physically. Zirkzee to me looks like the game in the Prem is just way too quick and aggressive for him. Looking at his highlights for his previous team makes it look like he was playing in slow motion. In terms of a system fit, I don't think he's what Amorim wants out of a 9, and I'm not sure how much he suits either of the 10 positions, he's not really a runner like Rashford or Garnacho, and I don't see him in the mould of a creator like Mount or Bruno. Then again maybe it's good to have that extra different dimension he can bring.
What I think we'll do between January and the Summer;
We'll give Harry Maguire a new contract - Reason being is I actually think he fits the 3 at the back system well as a CCB. I never thought i'd say this but i'm looking forward to him returning, to see how it goes. We're probably going to invest in an expensive CB signing when Evans and Lindelof go, I don't see us buying 2, it would be much more economical to keep Maguire because in this new system I think he has more to offer us yet in a 2/3 year deal.
Sign a LWB as a priority in January - It doesn't seem like we have much money until we sell but what little we can muster up we should spend on a LWB in January. Kerkez/Ait-Nouri whoever it is, I think it will be critical to the rest of our season.
Sign a LCB as a priority in summer - With the departure of 2 CB's we're gonna need a new one and I can honestly see it being none other than Jarrad Branthwaite. Or at least he will be our first choice before we move onto others.
Sign a CM in the summer - Someone industrious and who is technically gifted to carry the ball in the midfield
Sign a 10 in the summer - Someone industrious and creative
Sign a Striker in the summer - This will entirely depend on what happens with Zirkzee, and what happens with Hojlund. For example, if Zirkzee stays I don't think we'll sign one for at least another season. If Zirkzee goes we will but it will depend on how Hojlund does for the rest of the season, if he falls flat we'll get more of a main striker, if he kicks on I think we'll get more of a backup as to not hinder his progress
Sign a backup GK in the summer - Tom Heaton gone, Bayindir might want regular game time elsewhere.
Obviously this is only till the Summer, I think the team will look quite a bit different in the next 2-3 years.
Christian Eriksen - (off on a free in the summer)
Jonny Evans - (off on a free in the summer)
Tyrell Malacia - Listen I think he probably still has the talent, rust will play a factor, but I think this long out, a knee injury, look how he got done for pace against Bodo. Unfortunately through no fault of his own I think he won't physically be the same player he was anymore, and just won't stamp his place longterm at that LWB
Casemiro - Think he doesn't fit the physical output Amorim will want
Victor Lindelof - Think he could do a job on the RCB position, think he's got good passing, but likely to be off on a free in the summer, and never been the most physical
Players who I think will have question marks longterm (not necessarily a question of ability, but system fit);
Marcus Rashford - Amorim has already said he doesn't think Rashford's best position is the 9, he'll never play as a WB because he just isn't industrious enough, so that leaves the two 10 positions, but usually he likes to have someone in the mould of Mount/Bruno in one of them, and then someone in the mould of Rashford/Garnacho in the other. So I feel like he really needs to make that one position his his own if he is to have a long term future under Amorim.
Bruno Fernandes - From Amorim's words so far we can tell he really loves a player like Mason Mount, and if he stays fit, I think we'll see him in one of the 10 positions more often than not. We know Bruno can play there, but judging by Amorim's recent comments about how Bruno plays the game, in his system he seems to think Bruno fits more of one of the 8's and whilst he has good workrate, his athleticism isn't the best. We'd also have to deal with the idea that it will mean the likes of Mainoo playing less.
Joshua Zirkzee - I put him in the long term because he's still very early into his first season. However I don't like the early signs, I don't wanna seem like a hypocrite and write a player off really early, but I don't think it's a question of his ability. At least when Hojlund or Garnacho are having bad days you can at least see they can keep up with the league physically. Zirkzee to me looks like the game in the Prem is just way too quick and aggressive for him. Looking at his highlights for his previous team makes it look like he was playing in slow motion. In terms of a system fit, I don't think he's what Amorim wants out of a 9, and I'm not sure how much he suits either of the 10 positions, he's not really a runner like Rashford or Garnacho, and I don't see him in the mould of a creator like Mount or Bruno. Then again maybe it's good to have that extra different dimension he can bring.
What I think we'll do between January and the Summer;
We'll give Harry Maguire a new contract - Reason being is I actually think he fits the 3 at the back system well as a CCB. I never thought i'd say this but i'm looking forward to him returning, to see how it goes. We're probably going to invest in an expensive CB signing when Evans and Lindelof go, I don't see us buying 2, it would be much more economical to keep Maguire because in this new system I think he has more to offer us yet in a 2/3 year deal.
Sign a LWB as a priority in January - It doesn't seem like we have much money until we sell but what little we can muster up we should spend on a LWB in January. Kerkez/Ait-Nouri whoever it is, I think it will be critical to the rest of our season.
Sign a LCB as a priority in summer - With the departure of 2 CB's we're gonna need a new one and I can honestly see it being none other than Jarrad Branthwaite. Or at least he will be our first choice before we move onto others.
Sign a CM in the summer - Someone industrious and who is technically gifted to carry the ball in the midfield
Sign a 10 in the summer - Someone industrious and creative
Sign a Striker in the summer - This will entirely depend on what happens with Zirkzee, and what happens with Hojlund. For example, if Zirkzee stays I don't think we'll sign one for at least another season. If Zirkzee goes we will but it will depend on how Hojlund does for the rest of the season, if he falls flat we'll get more of a main striker, if he kicks on I think we'll get more of a backup as to not hinder his progress
Sign a backup GK in the summer - Tom Heaton gone, Bayindir might want regular game time elsewhere.
Onana
Yoro/Maz/Dalot - De Ligt/Maguire - Branthwaite/Martinez/Shaw
Maz/Amad/Dalot - Ugarte/Signing - Mainoo/Bruno - Signing/Shaw/Dalot
Mount/Signing - Rashford/Garnacho
Hojlund/Zirkzee/(Signing?)
Yoro/Maz/Dalot - De Ligt/Maguire - Branthwaite/Martinez/Shaw
Maz/Amad/Dalot - Ugarte/Signing - Mainoo/Bruno - Signing/Shaw/Dalot
Mount/Signing - Rashford/Garnacho
Hojlund/Zirkzee/(Signing?)
Obviously this is only till the Summer, I think the team will look quite a bit different in the next 2-3 years.
Amorim's 10s always press hard so that rules out Rashford in the long term I think
Can’t help but think bringing Alvaro and Gomes back would be great start to business. Plugs 2 needed gaps in the squad, Gomes replacing Eriksen, for little outlay. We need to start being smart like this. Hell if it doesn’t work out long term you at least haven’t wasted money. Then try to spend bigger money on someone who brings goals.
Hopefully by the summer our squad won’t look as bad as it currently does. If a few players can develop under Amorim we won’t be in too bad a place.
Hopefully by the summer our squad won’t look as bad as it currently does. If a few players can develop under Amorim we won’t be in too bad a place.
I think you are right. I wanted Gomes when we were first linked with him, but later realized he's really not what we need, despite being a good player.
When we shift Bruno and bring in a number 10 that is in the vein Amorim wants we'll be a whole different beast going forward. There are a number of players we still need to either improve or offload but as an attacking force and transitioning back we'll be so much better with him gone.
Heh, sure you ment to include Shaw, but the way you phrased it is quite accurate. I would prefer if the club replaced Maguire with Diomande. It would be preferable if we could sell Shaw in the summer of ‘26 and bring in Branthwaite then. He will be 24 then and have one year left of his contract. It would be a good timing for him to move to a bigger club.
In any market, a similar product is a good indicator of how much you can sell your own product for.
Leao comes from a non selling club. Is a very similar player to Rashford. Both are incredibly rare profiles. Both actually play very similar games at the same age. Both have the same strengths and the same weaknesses AND both are seriously wasting their potential.
Yet, if Leao went for £75m+ , no one here would be surprised. Why the hyperbole? Rashford's not going for £25m.
Maybe in japanese yen, but I'm not sure. Who would pay extra money for a lazy, unreliable, unmotivated winger with poor statistics and serious disciplinaty issues? Rashford is badly overrated by some fans.
Woooow, a bold prediction here. Rash wouldn't sell for 20 i guess as simply no one wants him. Casemiro... Lucky if we get 5m for him. Sancho could be sold for 25, but 20m for Antony is exteme. Simply no market for such a poor footballer. Lindelof will go for free i guess. So the 125m would be no more than 50 i guess, maybe 60 if we can get rid of Antony somehow.
If we are to make Hojlund as a backup then I'd rather go for Gyokeres than Jonathan David even if I like him because both are still "potentials".
Out: Rash, Antony, Casemiro, Lindelof
In: Gyokeres, Davies, Goncalves
Out: Rash, Antony, Casemiro, Lindelof
In: Gyokeres, Davies, Goncalves