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He was bigging up NWA. It was pretty funny hear him recount getting arrested in Essex and equating it with blacks in South Central LA. I don't doubt it happened, but it's just really hard to visualise the two as being comparable. Having some bobby ask you where you're going isn't really the same as being wasted by racist LA cops with guns 'n shit.
 
Yeah I know you were. It's true though. The fatcats figured out how to bleed the middle-class dry and it's worked beautifully. What's really impressive is how they've misled and misdirected the masses into blaming somebody else.

I'm optimistic that we'll have a new wave of progressivism like Red Dreams says and a major correction will occur.

a lot of 'moderate' GOP voters are waking to where their party is currently. They may not embrace everything the Dems stand for, but for now they don't look as radical as the GOP.

Did you see Rubio is backing off his own Immigration bill? Comedy.
 
He was bigging up NWA. It was pretty funny hear him recount getting arrested in Essex and equating it with blacks in South Central LA. I don't doubt it happened, but it's just really hard to visualise the two as being comparable. Having some bobby ask you where you're going isn't really the same as being wasted by racist LA cops with guns 'n shit.

I watched a thing with him a while back that was supposed to be a discussion about Islamism, but ended up being a 20 minute meditation on mainstream Hip Hop and how gangster rap's been too commercialised. He's quite posh, smart and teacher-like too, which makes it slightly amusing. I like him from what I've seen. He speaks well.
 
a lot of 'moderate' GOP voters are waking to where their party is currently. They may not embrace everything the Dems stand for, but for now they don't look as radical as the GOP.

Did you see Rubio is backing off his own Immigration bill? Comedy.


Rubio has always been a phony in my eyes. He's only prominent because he's a latino.

There is only one thing that needs to be done to change the whole system and that's to get the money out of politics.
 
He was bigging up NWA. It was pretty funny hear him recount getting arrested in Essex and equating it with blacks in South Central LA. I don't doubt it happened, but it's just really hard to visualise the two as being comparable. Having some bobby ask you where you're going isn't really the same as being wasted by racist LA cops with guns 'n shit.

He knows all that was fake, right? Dre and Ice Cube never killed anyone. Christ, has he not seen the pictures of Dre before gangsta rap was cool?

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Maybe, but I think they grew up in South Central didn't they? It was nothing like Essex, that's fo' sho'

Dre is from Compton and Cube from South Centra LA, but that don't mean a thang when you're wearing white lace coats and a stethoscope. That ain't gangsta.
 
Gangsta rappers will always have the problem of singing about things that they no longer experience. As soon as they become successful they buy a mansion, drink loads of Cristal and bang models.
 
Gangsta rappers will always have the problem of singing about things that they no longer experience. As soon as they become successful they buy a mansion, drink loads of Cristal and bang models.

Having regularly watched National Geographic's Drugs Inc., I'm fairly sure most of them have ever been in the game except maybe some of the Wu Tang Clan.
 
He's the guy who orchestrated Tommy Robinson's departure from the EDL. He runs Quilliam and used to breakdance and Graf and is now a Lib Dem candidate. Interesting chap.

Indeed. He looked very familiar when he came on, and now I recognize him from a debate he had with Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Douglas Murray on whether Islam is a religion of peace. Might need to re-watch that one.
 
Well I was looking at it from the point of view of the man in the street. When I first went to the US in the 80s your average Joe had a much better standard of living that his counterpart in Europe. That advantage seems to have been largely eroded (some time since I've been to the US mind). People are still lapping up the American Dream while in reality the fat cats are getting even more of the cream.

Yep, that's what happened. Technology increased productivity, which led to fewer middle class jobs, and globalisation meant the wages stagnated and over time had less buying power. The federal government is the one organisation that could do something about it by changing the rules, but Washington is dysfunctional, as we have seen recently.

What I don't get is why the republicans think that concentrating even more of the wealth in fewer and fewer hands is good for the country. It must be something to do with who their large-scale donors are.
 
when the Democrats eventually take over all 3 branches of power, the pendulum will swing teh other way. The country is already moving left. The key point will be when the New (non-white) majority takes over.

Let's not fool ourselves into believing Democrats are not vested into corporate interests as well.
 
Gangsta rappers will always have the problem of singing about things that they no longer experience. As soon as they become successful they buy a mansion, drink loads of Cristal and bang models.

Don't feck with Dre day

Having regularly watched National Geographic's Drugs Inc., I'm fairly sure most of them have ever been in the game except maybe some of the Wu Tang Clan.

Are you saying Jay-Z is a phony?
 
Gee, I wonder if someone at 60 minutes or on CBS will get the Dan Rather treatment and have their career and credibility shit upon.

60 Minutes Benghazi Report Takes a Huge Credibility Hit

The Benghazi "witness" featured in a CBS 60 Minutes report that galvanized new discussion of the administration's response to the attack previously said he never got near the diplomatic compound on the night of the attack, according to a report from The Washington Post . . .

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/01/60-minutes-benghazi-report-takes-a-huge-credibi/196705
 
"I have a great solution for all the whining wingnuts. Move to Afghanistan. You will love it there. No taxes, no government, no regulations, no social programs, a gun and shoot free for all, and dominated by religious zealots. Trust me, you'll love it."

saw this. sure the righties will agree.
 
If I were a Democrat running (or a Republican facing a primary) against a nutty Tea Party candidate/incumbent, something like that might be my campaign slogan. I would certainly use it in debates and press interviews.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/03/pakistan-review-relations-us-killing-taliban-leader

Nothing pisses Pakistan off more than killing the people it (ISI) is trying to protect.

It does bring up the effectiveness of drones and the associated ethical concerns. Five(5) Congressmen went to the panel hearing on drones held this week in Congress. I suppose that shows their interest in moving away from Drones.

I don't see the point in using drones when they are killing as many innocents and allies as manned aircraft. Also, a few of these drone attacks are illegal right? Pakistan haven't authorised all of them I might have read somewhere.
 
I don't see the point in using drones when they are killing as many innocents and allies as manned aircraft. Also, a few of these drone attacks are illegal right? Pakistan haven't authorised all of them I might have read somewhere.

America doesn't need or want to be authorised to carry out aggressive manoeuvres. They do it and that's the end of the matter.
 
I don't see the point in using drones when they are killing as many innocents and allies as manned aircraft. Also, a few of these drone attacks are illegal right? Pakistan haven't authorised all of them I might have read somewhere.


Pakistan has at some level consented to the drone strikes in the past. As long as they keep getting money, they will probably keep up the complaints after the fact. They make public noises about them when a major target it hit to assuage the Pakistani public, a large part of which is sympathetic, if not supportive, to the terrorists. Why would they consent? Perhaps the upper echelon of the government knows the ISI can't be trusted. If the US passed along the intelligence to ISI, even if it were the head of the organization, the target would be gone before the Pakistani military got around to moving on it. The US doesn't and shouldn't trust Pakistan's military, ISI, or even upper levels of government.

The point of drones is that it doesn't expose pilots, they can loiter over a target for longer, and they are cheaper than F22s or flying a B2 around the world. They're an alternative to risking similar raids to the one that captured Osama Bin Laden less than a mile from the Pakistani military academy. There is probably only one person that the US would consider risking a similar raid for, Ayman al-Zawahiri. However, he probably lives in a fairly major city, rather than the tribal territories.

I'm not arguing the ethical side. Just the pragmatic side.
 
Finally watched the Seal Team Six movie last night, the documentary about the OBL raid. At one point, a CIA senior official stated something like, "Two billion a year should buy better loyalty." This in regards to Pakistani ISI and military knowing damn well OBL was living in the country.

Made me wonder just how much foreign aid is meant to also "buy" loyalty, support, look the other way when we do shit in your country.

I'm also curious exactly what happens if Pakistani jets had engaged on US forces during the raid. I know the USAF would have fecked them up and then we'd have a major international conflict. But does Pakistan have the balls to retaliate/start a war with the West?
 
Finally watched the Seal Team Six movie last night, the documentary about the OBL raid. At one point, a CIA senior official stated something like, "Two billion a year should buy better loyalty." This in regards to Pakistani ISI and military knowing damn well OBL was living in the country.

Made me wonder just how much foreign aid is meant to also "buy" loyalty, support, look the other way when we do shit in your country.

I'm also curious exactly what happens if Pakistani jets had engaged on US forces during the raid. I know the USAF would have fecked them up and then we'd have a major international conflict. But does Pakistan have the balls to retaliate/start a war with the West?


Did the Pakistani military ever detect them coming in? The Night Stalkers were flying them in and are the DEVGRU(best of the best) of helicopter pilots. Obviously once they were loitering over the compound, the military/police had to think of something. I imagine some of the equipment, not just the helicopters, was far ahead of anything Pakistan has, or China can provide them.
 
From the movie and other reports, after the helicopters flew over the compound and one had crashed, a crowd gathered outside, police arrived, etc. Within a few minutes, or perhaps seconds, Pakistan had scrambled jets to fly over and see what was going on. They were intercepted by USAF (I believe F15s or perhaps from a TOC located in the AOR) and told to stand down or they would be engaged. Repeated a few times and the Pakistani jets evaded the area. So I presume others within the Pakistani military and/or ISI relayed for the jets to stand down immediately, probably in full knowledge of what was going on at that compound.
 
Musharraf allegedly made an agreement that the US could carry out unilateral raids in pursuit of the top 3 AQ leaders. It's likely that the ISI/military didn't know exactly what was going on but knew it could be one of three things and stood down then.

With Pakistan, it's impossible to know whether what they are saying is genuine because of the conflicted interests within the country. After the raid, the ISI said they had agents involved, the PM said that's a lie, etc.
 
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