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very encouraging...but until we have overwhelming voter protection...the law needs to stand. the fact the Republican party actively suppresses minority voters is proof the Voting rights act needs to be Strengthened...not weakened.
 
Scalia will not live forever. The Dems need to keep winning the Presidential elections and slowly weed him and his ilk out.

More than likely the current court make up will be the same. You could lose 2 justices during Obamas term but both are more Liberal judges, Ginsburg at 79 and Breyer at 74 maybe. I'd think both Scalia 77 and Kennedy 76 will stay on until they die or a Republican is elected. Then after that Thomas might be looking to go. If the Dems win the next election and as of right now I'd think they will, the court will swing 5-4 Dem appointees.

In reality I wish there was a better way of appointing Supreme Court justices. I wish there was some litmus test for impartiality. The continual votes along party lines is unfortunate.
 
This may be one of those odd four year terms where Obama gets to make 3 supreme court picks. I would imagine Ginsburg is going to retire soon, but so too will Kennedy, which would effectively make it 5-4 Dems. If Scalia goes as well, a lot of controversial laws will be turned over.
 
More than likely the current court make up will be the same. You could lose 2 justices during Obamas term but both are more Liberal judges, Ginsburg at 79 and Breyer at 74 maybe. I'd think both Scalia 77 and Kennedy 76 will stay on until they die or a Republican is elected. Then after that Thomas might be looking to go. If the Dems win the next election and as of right now I'd think they will, the court will swing 5-4 Dem appointees.

In reality I wish there was a better way of appointing Supreme Court justices. I wish there was some litmus test for impartiality. The continual votes along party lines is unfortunate.

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Though if you think about it. A judge who does not vote along party lines will be seen as a liberal judge. they tend to respect the will of congress.

The Roberts decision re the health care act can be interpreted as such. It is not the role of the Supreme court to make laws.
though Raoul's analysis makes sense too.
 
This may be one of those odd four year terms where Obama gets to make 3 supreme court picks. I would imagine Ginsburg is going to retire soon, but so too will Kennedy, which would effectively make it 5-4 Dems. If Scalia goes as well, a lot of controversial laws will be turned over.

Kind of what I was saying but I can't see any of the conservative judges hanging it up right now. They'll have to drag old Scalias dead body out of his chambers. Breyer could go and Ginsburg certainly will. I think both Kennedy and Scalia wait until after the next election. If Hilary gets elected there we'll be looking at 6-3 or even a 7-2 court.
 
“We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.” Winston Churchhill
 
You don't tax yourself into prosperity, it's a tool to redistribute wealth more fairly and pay for central services.
 
Has anyone ever thought about what characterizes the difference between these shit third world democracies from American and European ones?

Low, easily avoidable taxes, small, weak ineffectual government, massive wealth inequality, crap infrastructure, small social investment in education, dire lack of safety nets for senior citizens and downtrodden, laughable regulations on just about everything . . . it goes on and on. Why on earth would Republicans and conservatives Europeans want to follow this model?
 
Has anyone ever thought about what characterizes the difference between these shit third world democracies from American and European ones?

Low, easily avoidable taxes, small, weak ineffectual government, massive wealth inequality, crap infrastructure, small social investment in education, dire lack of safety nets for senior citizens and downtrodden, laughable regulations on just about everything . . . it goes on and on. Why on earth would Republicans and conservatives Europeans want to follow this model?

Republicans love an uninformed/misinformed uneducated populace that buys into their strawman arguments.

they get their fuedel society.


on another point.....i am highly amused by all this sudden concern about using drones by the republicans when they had no issue with the then President and Vice President outing a covert American operative. A crime that should have led the perpetrators facing a firing squad for treason.
 
I always love this logic. It was okay when they did it so it shouldn't be complained about now.

While you're certainly right about the hypocrisy of it, maybe their position has "evolved"....
 
Republicans love an uninformed/misinformed uneducated populace that buys into their strawman arguments.

they get their fuedel society.


on another point.....i am highly amused by all this sudden concern about using drones by the republicans when they had no issue with the then President and Vice President outing a covert American operative. A crime that should have led the perpetrators facing a firing squad for treason.


It is pretty amusing, Bush II was writing executive orders all day long and not a peep. But now a democrat has those same powers it's tyranny.

Right up until they get the office again, then it's just fine!
 
It is pretty amusing, Bush II was writing executive orders all day long and not a peep. But now a democrat has those same powers it's tyranny.

Right up until they get the office again, then it's just fine!

Agreed. The end of the establishment Republican party is so close you can almost see it. They have been shown for what they are, liars that only care about the next election.
 
I always love this logic. It was okay when they did it so it shouldn't be complained about now.

While you're certainly right about the hypocrisy of it, maybe their position has "evolved"....


I agree with the Drone program.

You forgot the tongue -in-cheek smiley after "evolved".

its simple politics...and Rand Paul is running for :lol: president....or to be more precise to become the nominee for the crazies.

The Republican party has ceased to exist btw.
 
Agreed. The end of the establishment Republican party is so close you can almost see it. They have been shown for what they are, liars that only care about the next election.

when 'talking to the President' is a litmus test...yup...the GOP is in serious trouble.

The solution is for genuine republicans to show up and vote for moderate candidates instead of allowing the rabid teaparty crazies to control the process.
 
Paul Ryan once again is pushing his budget (yes. the one that lost him and Romney the elections)which hits the poor, old and the disabled....the least able to defend themselves.

My simple question for these teapartiers is what do we do with the people that will inevitably fall through the cracks that will appear. More will become homeless, without food or medical care.

If we say...we will not accept people being thrown on to the streets, surely then the states will be expected to pick up the slack...so much for states rights.
 
Has anyone ever thought about what characterizes the difference between these shit third world democracies from American and European ones?

Low, easily avoidable taxes, small, weak ineffectual government, massive wealth inequality, crap infrastructure, small social investment in education, dire lack of safety nets for senior citizens and downtrodden, laughable regulations on just about everything . . . it goes on and on. Why on earth would Republicans and conservatives Europeans want to follow this model?
Having lived in a third world country for half my life I will happily tell you feck right off if you think that infrastructure, education and safety nets are shit in the EU. Don't know about America never having been there.

That's not to say it couldn't be better though.
 
Having lived in a third world country for half my life I will happily tell you feck right off if you think that infrastructure, education and safety nets are shit in the EU. Don't know about America never having been there.

That's not to say it couldn't be better though.

I don't think he is comparing the US and EU. He is comparing them to the 'third-world' countries.
 
Having lived in a third world country for half my life I will happily tell you feck right off if you think that infrastructure, education and safety nets are shit in the EU. Don't know about America never having been there.

That's not to say it couldn't be better though.

I was comparing the US to third world capitalistic democracies, genius, saying they're crap in comparison to the US. I'll make it simple . . . Why do Republicans want all these policies that resemble third world capitalism?
 
Small history lesson on how Republicans have pretty much always been treasonous douchebags, taking whatever step necessary. You just can't let these people govern. Just look at last time they got Bush jr in the White House for 8 disastrous years. When will they ever learn?

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-a...pths-treason-and-treachery-watergate-and-iran

Shocking New Evidence Reveals Depths of 'Treason' and 'Treachery' of Watergate and Iran-Contra
 
I liked this bit of digging from Think Progress. Turns out a lot of those Republicans who like to talk about how Big Govmint should act like a responsible family/business and tighten its belt rather than taking on debt, have large personal debts themselves.

Small history lesson on how Republicans have pretty much always been treasonous douchebags, taking whatever step necessary. You just can't let these people govern. Just look at last time they got Bush jr in the White House for 8 disastrous years. When will they ever learn?

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-a...pths-treason-and-treachery-watergate-and-iran

Shocking New Evidence Reveals Depths of 'Treason' and 'Treachery' of Watergate and Iran-Contra

The political scientist Jonathan Bernstein has been running an utterly compulsive series of Watergate posts on his blog, taken from the White House tapes and diaries of those involved.
 
That bit of digging is mostly bollocks, though. We found so-and-so had $10,000 due credit - so? It will probably be paid off next month. This person has loads of mortgages totalling $4m - fine, are the repayments coming out on time? If they are, that person is managing their debt and 'balancing their budget'.

If they could find that those people were not keeping up on debt repayments that would be a reasonably powerful piece of analysis. The fact of people having debt - even in big numbers (where most of those people no doubt also have big incomes) isn't.
 
In reality that is a problem with the vast majority of elected officials regardless of party.

Fully agree. But generally on this board it's sacrilege to say something like that about a Democrat or liberal. I think the number of actual federal level elected officials that actually care about issues is probably less than 20%, just my opinion.
 
Fully agree. But generally on this board it's sacrilege to say something like that about a Democrat or liberal. I think the number of actual federal level elected officials that actually care about issues is probably less than 20%, just my opinion.

they are all politicians true. the fact is that the republican policians are a lot worse.

Not sure how you get your 20% from...but I do trust the President. I think he is just trying to fulfill the mandate given him by the people.
 
Small history lesson on how Republicans have pretty much always been treasonous douchebags, taking whatever step necessary. You just can't let these people govern. Just look at last time they got Bush jr in the White House for 8 disastrous years. When will they ever learn?

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-a...pths-treason-and-treachery-watergate-and-iran

Shocking New Evidence Reveals Depths of 'Treason' and 'Treachery' of Watergate and Iran-Contra

'treasonous douchebags'. Calm down mate. Only last year, this administration was caught with it's pants down, handing weapons over to Mexican drug cartels.

Every government in the US has done some despicable things, slow down with the party-based indignation, because no one over there is clean.
 
'treasonous douchebags'. Calm down mate. Only last year, this administration was caught with it's pants down, handing weapons over to Mexican drug cartels.

Every government in the US has done some despicable things, slow down with the party-based indignation, because no one over there is clean.

I believe that handing guns over, by the ATF, mind you, began under the Bush administration, and is no way comparable to Reagan sneaking around and sabotaging Carter's negotiations with Iran, and then turning around and selling them missiles behind everybody's back. If that's not treason, then what the is? Same thing with Nixon sabotaging peace talks with Vietnam? Don't even get me started on Dick Cheney's deceit. I don't mean to champion Democrats at all, but Republicans have gone off the scale on the douche factor.

And the Kennedy assassination?
 
Yeah, I don't think people are so pro Democrat and pro liberal as they are anti Republican, anti right wing, anti tea party.

That's all well and good but what's the point of acting like you have principles when you only apply them to someone you don't like and ignore them when it comes to someone who you are apparently, indifferent to?
 
I believe that handing guns over, by the ATF, mind you, began under the Bush administration, and is no way comparable to Reagan sneaking around and sabotaging Carter's negotiations with Iran, and then turning around and selling them missiles behind everybody's back. If that's not treason, then what the is? Same thing with Nixon sabotaging peace talks with Vietnam? Don't even get me started on Dick Cheney's deceit. I don't mean to champion Democrats at all, but Republicans have gone off the scale on the douche factor.

And the Kennedy assassination?

Kennedy assassination? What about it? I won't say who is worse, they are all as bad as each other.
 
they are all politicians true. the fact is that the republican policians are a lot worse.

Not sure how you get your 20% from...but I do trust the President. I think he is just trying to fulfill the mandate given him by the people.

On some issues yes on others he really has not been any different from his predecessor.
 
Yeah, I don't think people are so pro Democrat and pro liberal as they are anti Republican, anti right wing, anti tea party.

I'd agree with that.

on the most important platforms, he has tried to do what the people who voted him in for.

The republicans have obstructed him all the way.

How is he just as bad as Bush?

Couldn't I say that about Bush though. He did what the people who voted him in wanted. Right? So in that sense he's the same as Bush exactly.

The Republican obstruction thing is just not holding water like it used too either. They are being a big pain in his ass but it's become the nature of politics over the last 2 decades (admittedly made worse under Obama by Repubs). And he's had the Senate and they get nothing done either. When Reid doesn't like a bill he doesn't bring to a floor vote. No difference in practice than what the Repubs are doing in the House.

And now given his ramp up on Iran and NK coupled with his policy of drones in the middle east he might be MORE hawkish than Bush on foreign policy.
 
The people did not vote Bush in to start wars under false pretenses now did they?( Nor did they want him and Chenny to out American covert operatives. )The cost of which is not just the tanking of the economy because it was not paid for...but the loss of hundreds of thousands of lives...unless you consider non-American lives unimportant. Ramping up Iran?? :confused: nah..if anything Obama has helped defuse the tension. Romney would have just given Iran as prize to his neo-con nutters. NK?? hmmm really confused now...His drone polices are a lot more effective than Bush...and the average American could not be arsed about it....heck he was voted in by record numbers. Not surprised Reid does not bring up ludicrous bills like wanting repeal Obamacare or other silly stuff that Obama was voted to prevent.
Lets put it this way it is impossible for anyone to be like Bush...because no one can be that incompetent...

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hey CR...what the heck are they saying in Fox now?? :)
 
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