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so CR..what was the point of Mconnel and his cronies filibustering Hagel...?

they made themselves sillier than they already are.

Benghazi??

He is going to be confirmed after recess...

They look ridiculous. It's typical DC politics. I saw McCain say they will pass him by vote next week, so why do what they are doing then? Crazy. Idiot Repubs are very short sighted. They forget this will all come back to bite them when a Repub is the president someday.

I'm of the opinion the president should get the cabinet, advisers, etc, he wants. It's all part of the elections have consequences. I think the senate should bring to light relevant questioning of any nominee but this is beyond the pale. And yes they are making themselves look very silly.
 
They look ridiculous. It's typical DC politics. I saw McCain say they will pass him by vote next week, so why do what they are doing then? Crazy. Idiot Repubs are very short sighted. They forget this will all come back to bite them when a Repub is the president someday.

I'm of the opinion the president should get the cabinet, advisers, etc, he wants. It's all part of the elections have consequences. I think the senate should bring to light relevant questioning of any nominee but this is beyond the pale. And yes they are making themselves look very silly.

Been a long history on both sides of playing this way with cabinet nominees. Supposedly in the past some candidates have been put forward knowing they will be given a hard time by the opponents, not passed, then the guy the Prez really wants is put forward and the political games are over by then so he gets passed easily.

Remember back in the 80's a SC nominee getting a hard time over smoking pot and Ted Kennedy of all people saying he found it hard to believe the nominee could not remember some of the details from something that happened in the 60's.

Nothing new to these games being played.
 
Been a long history on both sides of playing this way with cabinet nominees. Supposedly in the past some candidates have been put forward knowing they will be given a hard time by the opponents, not passed, then the guy the Prez really wants is put forward and the political games are over by then so he gets passed easily.

Remember back in the 80's a SC nominee getting a hard time over smoking pot and Ted Kennedy of all people saying he found it hard to believe the nominee could not remember some of the details from something that happened in the 60's.

Nothing new to these games being played.

This is pure politics. And it's exactly this kind of thing making so many Americans sick of Washington. This filibuster has 2 (main) causes IMO. One being the whole Benghazi thing and the other being some things Hagel said. It's just standard DC antics. The filibuster has become the most misused tool by politicians and won't stop anytime soon.

What politicians tend to forget is things alwasy swing the other way. It happened to the Dems in 2008 when the trounced the Repubs, then it happened to Repubs in the most recent election when they had big eyes thinking they would win. None of these idiots think past the end of the day.
 
They look ridiculous. It's typical DC politics. I saw McCain say they will pass him by vote next week, so why do what they are doing then? Crazy. Idiot Repubs are very short sighted. They forget this will all come back to bite them when a Repub is the president someday.

I'm of the opinion the president should get the cabinet, advisers, etc, he wants. It's all part of the elections have consequences. I think the senate should bring to light relevant questioning of any nominee but this is beyond the pale. And yes they are making themselves look very silly.

Personally, I am not in favour of getting rid of the fillibuster. But it should only be used to protect. I'm sure we can all come up with examples.

you got it perfectly right. That is what elections are all about. Whoever wins gets to nominate his cabinet.

I can see a case where Supreme Court nominees can be fillibustered for extreme views. But Hagel is a Republican:eek:

Ask the tough questions...I agree he had to be questioned about comments he made...but not go on like Mccain...making himself completely loopy.

like you said this will come back to bite the GOP. and now we do not have a representative for some meetings..
 
Question to Americans: Why do you guys have stupid acronyms for everything in your political system? 'POTUS'; 'SOTU'...

It's a little annoying to be honest.
 
Question to Americans: Why do you guys have stupid acronyms for everything in your political system? 'POTUS'; 'SOTU'...

It's a little annoying to be honest.

Never use them myself. First time I ever heard the term POTUS was in the TV Show West Wing, so I suppose it is possible that is where it become popular.
 
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Question to Americans: Why do you guys have stupid acronyms for everything in your political system? 'POTUS'; 'SOTU'...

It's a little annoying to be honest.

Because it's much more annoying to type or write out President of the United States or State of the Union speech.

And questions about why certain cultures do things are a little bit annoying to be honest.
 
Don't be white washed.



....yeah.

That's some depressing shit. I can't help but wonder what elements of that practice still exist in the modern army.

It also made me think of the American civil war, which was really only won, so I've read, when Sherman went down to Atlanta burning everything he found on his way.
 
....yeah.

that's some depressing shit. I can't help but wonder what elements of that practice still exist in the modern army.

it also made me think of the american civil war, which was really only won, so i've read, when sherman went down to atlanta burning everything he found on his way.

iraq!!! . . . Afghanistan!!! . . . ¿¿¿iran??? . . . ¿¿¿liberals???
 
so Bohner thinks Sequester will harm the economy.....but he will allow it to happen anyway.

:confused:

why worry about Al Queda...

We can't cut even $85B from the economy? Half comes from the military which should make most libs orgasm. And how is this so doom and gloom like we keep hearing about. The expected expenditure of the federal gov't is still actually higher for this year than last. How is spending only slightly more taking a clever to the gov't? All this political gamesmanship is annoying. We're talking about $43B from the non military sector of the gov't. What is that like 1 or 2 days of operation?
 
We can't cut even $85B from the economy? Half comes from the military which should make most libs orgasm. And how is this so doom and gloom like we keep hearing about. The expected expenditure of the federal gov't is still actually higher for this year than last. How is spending only slightly more taking a clever to the gov't? All this political gamesmanship is annoying. We're talking about $43B from the non military sector of the gov't. What is that like 1 or 2 days of operation?

not saying there is no waste.

because...absolutely there is and both sides have their sacred cows.

what worries me is both sides admit this 'type' of cut...will hurt the economy...and yes...it is gamsmenship.
 
not saying there is no waste.

because...absolutely there is and both sides have their sacred cows.

what worries me is both sides admit this 'type' of cut...will hurt the economy...and yes...it is gamsmenship.

At some point we have to start cutting. I'm not even speaking to the debt. Strictly the deficit.

Both sides are "admitting" it because they don't want their sacred cows (also called special interests) to get cut. If the gov't would start making cuts, and I mean actual cuts, I wouldn't mind paying a little more in taxes to help it get fixed. How about a 2 or 3 year budget freeze? No increases. I mean as it stands right now even with this years "cleaver approach" we're still talking about nearly a trillion dollar deficit. It has to end.

You want some savings? Close all the bases in the middle east, asia, and europe. Then start cutting back some of the duplicate federal and state programs.
 
At some point we have to start cutting. I'm not even speaking to the debt. Strictly the deficit.

Both sides are "admitting" it because they don't want their sacred cows (also called special interests) to get cut. If the gov't would start making cuts, and I mean actual cuts, I wouldn't mind paying a little more in taxes to help it get fixed. How about a 2 or 3 year budget freeze? No increases. I mean as it stands right now even with this years "cleaver approach" we're still talking about nearly a trillion dollar deficit. It has to end.

You want some savings? Close all the bases in the middle east, asia, and europe. Then start cutting back some of the duplicate federal and state programs.

agree about the bases. not sure what you mean by duplicate programs. I don't think there is a lot of fat with helping the poor or elderly. That is the area I would say cuts make no sense. I mean we are not going to accept people being on the streets. Medical care?

We do need to spend on infrastructure though. so freezing all spending is counter productive.
 
agree about the bases. not sure what you mean by duplicate programs. I don't think there is a lot of fat with helping the poor or elderly. That is the area I would say cuts make no sense. I mean we are not going to accept people being on the streets. Medical care?

We do need to spend on infrastructure though. so freezing all spending is counter productive.

That's always whats said. So when can it be cut? Ever? You can't run $1T deficits years and years and think there's never going to be a problem.

There are duplicate agencies. Federal EPA is an example. Here in CA we have agencies that monitor all these same things and set regulations. And trust me when I say the CA regs are tight. So why spend big on a federal program as well. There has to be some things that can be cut or we are officially on the clock as a financially doomed nation. I'm not saying this year or next year but certainly a decade or so. It seems the only administration in recent memory that understood that was Clinton and that Congress.
 
The US needs to raise more money in taxes, the effective corporate tax rate is about half what it was after the war.
 
The US needs to raise more money in taxes, the effective corporate tax rate is about half what it was after the war.

agree with pete. raise taxes And spend on infra structure. That will boost the economy. I wonder how muc the so called duplicate programs cost. probably wont put a dent in the defecit.

They have these people in America and they are called Republicans and they say hi.

Legalizing marijuana and hemp would be a boost to the economy, they could tax the shit out of dope and the pot heads would still pay it. Not to mention the money/man hours they would save on keeping the shit off the streets.
 
They have these people in America and they are called Republicans and they say hi.

Legalizing marijuana and hemp would be a boost to the economy, they could tax the shit out of dope and the pot heads would still pay it. Not to mention the money/man hours they would save on keeping the shit off the streets.

agree. lots of revenue in pot.

It will happen. The GOP only has power because they hold the house through gerrymandering. Two more cycles..2016, we will have the house back. Their party is shrinking. Then sanity will return.
 
Oh dear. Scalia just said SCOTUS should effectively repeal the Voting Rights Act, which stops the southern states changing voting laws to discriminate against black people. The law was re-authorised 98-0 in the Senate and 390-33 in the House in 2006.

And this last enactment, not a single vote in the Senate against it. And the House is pretty much the same....I think it is attributable, very likely attributable, to a phenomenon that is called perpetuation of racial entitlement. It's been written about. Whenever a society adopts racial entitlements, it is very difficult to get out of them through the normal political processes.

He's completely abandoned all pretence now.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2013/02/voting-rights-act
 
Oh dear. Scalia just said SCOTUS should effectively repeal the Voting Rights Act, which stops the southern states changing voting laws to discriminate against black people. The law was re-authorised 98-0 in the Senate and 390-33 in the House in 2006.



He's completely abandoned all pretence now.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2013/02/voting-rights-act

Angry white men, who think they're losing the country.

As Chris Rock said, if white people are losing, who the feck is winning?
 
more like...scared white people losing their country...fortunately these are in an every decreasing minority.


Republicans may think, the overturning of the Voting Rights Act (if it should happen)will be a big victory for them. But it will only speed up the demise of the Republican party. This will be a big opportunity for the GOP to reverse their slide. The GOP led congress should vote to make the Act stronger to protect minorities.

but I would not hold my breath.
 
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