[Born2Lose]

Let's be honest, Garnacho forced his way in with that worldie against Everton.

It'd still be Rashy & Tony otherwise.

 

[United888]

I think Erik is our problem, I think he wants Rashford to rediscover his form and he wants Antony to justify that the transfer is right. If Amad sucks, then sell him. I think there will be a few takers from EPL and Championship that would take him. The way I see it, Amad is wasting his time at United because of Erik. The only time he gets to play will be an injury to those 2 whihlch is ridiculous considering how bad both of them are this season.

If that’s the case then he shouldn’t be playing Garnacho on the right. Keep playing Antony. But he didn’t do it. Amad either isn’t fully match fit after missing most of the season including half of the pre season or he hasn’t work hard enough in training. If Garnacho can get the chance playing ahead of Antony then there is no reason why other young players can’t. Amad just needs to be patient and keep working harder than he had done before and eventually the coaches will notice him and give him chances.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

Let's be honest, Garnacho forced his way in with that worldie against Everton.

It'd still be Rashy & Tony otherwise.

?? He's been injured.

 

[lex talionis]

If that’s the case then he shouldn’t be playing Garnacho on the right. Keep playing Antony. But he didn’t do it. Amad either isn’t fully match fit after missing most of the season including half of the pre season or he hasn’t work hard enough in training. If Garnacho can get the chance playing ahead of Antony then there is no reason why other young players can’t. Amad just needs to be patient and keep working harder than he had done before and eventually the coaches will notice him and give him chances.

Amad will never reach match fitness if he's not allowed to play in matches. As far as his work ethic in training, we can only speculate whether he's shit in training but there's nothing about Amad that would allow the conclusion that he's in shit in training.

As for patience, Amad has no choice but to be patient through the end of the season but if he gets nothing more than time wasting substitutions, which seems highly unlikely, he would be wise to re-evaluate whether United is the right club for him under a manager who clearly prefers the substantially inferior player, Antony.

 

[Bondi77]

Tha

If that’s the case then he shouldn’t be playing Garnacho on the right. Keep playing Antony. But he didn’t do it. Amad either isn’t fully match fit after missing most of the season including half of the pre season or he hasn’t work hard enough in training. If Garnacho can get the chance playing ahead of Antony then there is no reason why other young players can’t. Amad just needs to be patient and keep working harder than he had done before and eventually the coaches will notice him and give him chances.

Cannot argue with that.

 

[luke511]

Ten Hag's starting to take the piss. He has the choice of subbing off Garnacho, Rashford or Bruno for him but he hasn't got the balls to do it against Luton. Garnacho was absolutely fecked by the end.

 

[Based Adnan]

As long as play end to end moments football I can't see him being given a chance

 

[Red Rash]

I thought Garnacho and Bruno were horrible today and Rashford not much better. However Amad still didn't get a minute. Why on earth didn't we loan him out if those players can have shockers but are never dropped??

 

[Yorkeontop]

I guess something is missing from Amad. I thought he could have come on today.

 

[lex talionis]

Can we at least rule out the “shit in training” explanation for why Amad is never given a chance?

 

[DWelbz19]

I guess something is missing from Amad. I thought he could have come on today.

Yeah, it’s that the manager is a bit shite.

 

[Bowlcut11]

I actually don't think this is the game we should've seen Amad.

Garnacho was very good at creating space today and Rashford was a goal threat.

Amad is a great player in the tight spaces but Garna/Rashy are better at running into space I think.

Hoping we see him soon though but not looking particularly likely

 

[BorisManUtd]

Ten Hag's starting to take the piss. He has the choice of subbing off Garnacho, Rashford or Bruno for him but he hasn't got the balls to do it against Luton. Garnacho was absolutely fecked by the end.

I didn't even realise he was on the bench. Ten Hag definitely should be giving him cameos, at least from time to time. Cup tie at Forest will be the chance.

 

[Eugenius]

Don't think we're going to see Amad in games like this where it's tight. Garnacho is actually doing a very big job of tracking back and helping and is a more natural counter attack outlet. You want to see Amad in games where we are 3-0 up and knocking it about.

 

[Gordon S]

Don't think we're going to see Amad in games like this where it's tight. Garnacho is actually doing a very big job of tracking back and helping and is a more natural counter attack outlet. You want to see Amad in games where we are 3-0 up and knocking it about.

Amad has a very good first touch and good close control. His passing is usually both smart and crisp. I see no reason why he wouldn`t do well in games like these. Could help us keep the ball higher up the pitch for more than 6 seconds.

 

[Devil81]

Biggest issue for Amad now is we're now a team that plays completely on the break and he's not that type of player.

ETH has realised our best form of attack is to play to Rashford and Garnacho's strengths. It also helps Hojlund as well as he's thriving now.

 

[Ali Dia]

I think he should get a game if he’s training to a high enough standard. He’s got a really nicely weighted final ball. I think we really need more of that in the team. I think we’d get more of a goal threat from the right with an intelligent left footer and Dalot bombing past to provide width. Put Garnacho back on the left to cut in from the other side. Rasmus causing chaos in the middle. Sounds nice and balanced

 

[luke511]

Biggest issue for Amad now is we're now a team that plays completely on the break and he's not that type of player.

ETH has realised our best form of attack is to play to Rashford and Garnacho's strengths. It also helps Hojlund as well as he's thriving now.

Amad played a lot of counter attacking football for Sunderland last year. He’s a quick player.

 

[Lash]

We created more than enough to win the game with the attackers on the pitch. We didn't need an attacker, what we needed was a midfielder, but we didn't have any worth coming of the bench.

 

[Roboc7]

Every game is a struggle for us so he’s not going to get many opportunities. I’ve said before he’ll be thrown on in desperation at some point and if he doesn’t impress that will be that. Must be good chance he will be sold on summer if there is a decent offer.

 

[zapp]

Don't think we're going to see Amad in games like this where it's tight. Garnacho is actually doing a very big job of tracking back and helping and is a more natural counter attack outlet. You want to see Amad in games where we are 3-0 up and knocking it about.

When we have been 3-0 up (which is rare for us this season) ETH has chosen to bring on Anthony because apparently he was better suited to shoring up the defence and seeing the game out, even though his previous appearance showed several moments of his lack of effort in the defensive aspect. There shouldn't need to be this perfect scenario to play Amad when other players get chance after chance to stink up the pitch. At a certain point you have to take the risk and put him in, if you see him being part of your future plans. If you don't , why keep him?

As it is I don't see Amad featuring unless ETH's hands are forced. The team is winning and he has shown he'll stick to a winning formula for as long as they keep it up without bothering with any sort of rotation. It's easier now with one game a week too. Unless I see evidence to the contrary I dont think ETH is keen on Amad. It'll be the same scenario as Pellistri and Mejbri.

 

[Raven]

He deserves a look in, having him and Mainoo playing in the same spaces could be very tasty.

 

[sglowrider]

I really don't know why he wasn't sent on loan. At this stage of his development it's just detrimental to be sitting on the bench.

 

[Gordon S]

He deserves a look in, having him and Mainoo playing in the same spaces could be very tasty.

Been thinking the same thing, think they could be on the same page. Just odd that he can`t even get the last 5 minutes in games. Absolutely no idea what Erik is afraid of.

 

[sglowrider]

Been thinking the same thing, think they could be on the same page. Just odd that he can`t even get the last 5 minutes in games. Absolutely no idea what Erik is afraid of.

He is under so much pressure to keep his job -- he just doesn't want to risk anything or spend time developing Amad. He likes playing with the same line-ups unless its forced upon him through suspensions or injuries.

 

[Lash]

He is under so much pressure to keep his job -- he just doesn't want to risk anything or spend time developing Amad. He likes playing with the same line-ups unless its forced upon him through suspensions or injuries.

Or, that's actually our best XI and gives us the best chance of winning? He's got results recently, why would he change for the sake of giving Amad some minutes?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

He deserves a look in, having him and Mainoo playing in the same spaces could be very tasty.

The games where he could have been given a chance have been incredibly tight (just like every fecking match we’ve won for about a year now!) so it’s been difficult to give him minutes. Is it too much to ask for us to actually have a comfortable win at some point? I think that’s the best chance of him getting a bit of game time.

 

[RuudTom83]

United in 2024 have played 7 games, won 6 and drawn 1.

Bad luck for Amad. I can't see how he gets into this team on form...just needs to be patient.

 

[luke511]

We created more than enough to win the game with the attackers on the pitch. We didn't need an attacker, what we needed was a midfielder, but we didn't have any worth coming of the bench.

What about giving another attacker the opportunity of being on the end of the chances created? Garnacho, Rashford and Bruno had 16 shots between them and didn't score, Garnacho has had 14 shots without scoring over the last two games and he was gassed by the end of it, subbing him was the logical thing to do.

 

[Grande]

Been thinking the same thing, think they could be on the same page. Just odd that he can`t even get the last 5 minutes in games. Absolutely no idea what Erik is afraid of.

I think a lot of us outsiders have hopes and ideas about Amadbased either on the early hype, the Championship stint or some few encouraging outings at United, while sceptics point towards his paring use at Atalanta and Rangers, or hypotheses about some x postings or whatnot. What is often underplayed, is the fact that Ten Hag not only knows all this, and not only sees the lad in training and training matches every other day, and not only knows what instructions players have in their cameos, this to what degree they do the necessary and not just the fancy - but he has a group of staff also warching Amad and others every day, some with the explicit task of following up him and a few others closely to assess when they are ready, and what they are ready for.

I’ll bet you a pretty penny if they tell Ten Hag ‘this boy is ready, he will not be a dettiment to the team if given fifteen minutes ahead of Garnacho or Antony, and what will aide his development best now is minutes in the first team’ - then he will get some minutes.

 

[Lash]

What about giving another attacker the opportunity of being on the end of the chances created? Garnacho, Rashford and Bruno had 16 shots between them and didn't score, Garnacho has had 14 shots without scoring over the last two games and he was gassed by the end of it, subbing him was the logical thing to do.

I just don't think it was particularly necessary to upset the balance of the team, unless it was a sub to make us more solid. I actually was surprised Garnacho had the legs in him to do some of the counter attacks he did in the late stages in the game, but he worked very hard defensively, so I'm not surprised he stayed on. I would have taken Rashford off (if anyone) as he was a non event defensively, but that's a precarious situation Ten Hag is trying to manage.

I think also in Ten Hag's mind, this is his best front 3/4. This is the first time he's been able to play them regularly together over a sustained run of games, that was probably in his thinking for keeping them all on the pitch.

 

[Smores]

Or, that's actually our best XI and gives us the best chance of winning? He's got results recently, why would he change for the sake of giving Amad some minutes?

Because not developing players outside your favoured starting line up in the long term would be detrimental?

There isn't a scenario where giving promising youth a chance is the wrong move. Either we develop a player good enough to stay and they save us huge money or their profile gets raised and they make us decent money.

Having prospects sitting on the bench and lowering their development and value is the worst strategy we could adopt. Only bettered by then making terrible signings who play the same position and perform no better.

 

[Lash]

Because not developing players outside your favoured starting line up in the long term would be detrimental?

There isn't a scenario where giving promising youth a chance is the wrong move. Either we develop a player good enough to stay and they save us huge money or their profile gets raised and they make us decent money.

Having prospects sitting on the bench and lowering their development and value is the worst strategy we could adopt. Only bettered by then making terrible signings who play the same position and perform no better.

This is the first time we've been able to play his first XI together in a string of games. You can only add youngster development to that when you've got a settled XI. Also Garnacho and Mainoo are part of that XI, so it's not as if he's against giving quality players a spot in the side and developing them if they're good enough.

 

[lex talionis]

It is possible that Amad is shit in training, although that seems highly unlikely. Garnacho worked hard but struggled to make an impact yesterday and it was a perfect occasion to bring on Amad late in the game for quality possession and maybe even finishing on the kinds of chances Garnacho had struggled with.

 

[Raven]

The games where he could have been given a chance have been incredibly tight (just like every fecking match we’ve won for about a year now!) so it’s been difficult to give him minutes. Is it too much to ask for us to actually have a comfortable win at some point? I think that’s the best chance of him getting a bit of game time.

I actually agree with you on a couple of occasions but there have been a couple of games he definitely should have featured in recently. There were a couple of games where Forson got on ahead of him which I felt was very harsh on Amad who should be way further up the pecking order. That's not to say Forson played poorly but surely the player who just ripped up the championship and who just had a positive cameo for us should be getting a look in.

 

[Bobade]

He is under so much pressure to keep his job -- he just doesn't want to risk anything or spend time developing Amad. He likes playing with the same line-ups unless its forced upon him through suspensions or injuries.

Is he under that much pressure to keep his job? He is on this forum, but the press doesn't seem to indicate he will be sacked; if anything, we seem to be seeing that he's basically got a free pass until the summer barring anything ridiculous happening in terms of our form.

I think he is making it worse for himself if he is just focusing on results only. He'll be sacked in the summer if he can't demonstrate a path to an improvement in playing style I think.

 

[luke511]

I just don't think it was particularly necessary to upset the balance of the team, unless it was a sub to make us more solid. I actually was surprised Garnacho had the legs in him to do some of the counter attacks he did in the late stages in the game, but he worked very hard defensively, so I'm not surprised he stayed on. I would have taken Rashford off (if anyone) as he was a non event defensively, but that's a precarious situation Ten Hag is trying to manage.

I think also in Ten Hag's mind, this is his best front 3/4. This is the first time he's been able to play them regularly together over a sustained run of games, that was probably in his thinking for keeping them all on the pitch.

I wouldn't say it's the first time he's been able to play them regularly, he's had all season to try Rashford, Hojlund, Garnacho together, he’s just stuck with Antony for far too long and we are finally benefiting from his absence in the side. To help Ten Hag determine what his best front 3 is, it’s all about variety, which is why Amad should be featuring so we can judge what works best. Instead he does the opposite, he goes overboard with the same combinations. We would’ve seen Rashford, Hojlund, Garnacho way sooner if it wasn’t for this.

So far we have seen Amad be very effective off the bench vs Forest, showing traits that are useful when holding onto a lead. He holds onto possession arguably better than any of our attackers. Ten Hag even praised him yet we haven’t seen him since. It’s just another one of those situations with him that make you question what’s going on upstairs, like when he left Varane on the bench for a long period when we really needed him, it’s a bit loopy.

 

[Lash]

I wouldn't say it's the first time he's been able to play them regularly, he's had all season to try Rashford, Hojlund, Garnacho together, he’s just stuck with Antony for far too long and we are finally benefiting from his absence in the side. To help Ten Hag determine what his best front 3 is, it’s all about variety, which is why Amad should be featuring so we can judge what works best. Instead he does the opposite, he goes overboard with the same combinations. We would’ve seen Rashford, Hojlund, Garnacho way sooner if it wasn’t for this.

So far we have seen Amad be very effective off the bench vs Forest, showing traits that are useful when holding onto a lead. He holds onto possession arguably better than any of our attackers. Ten Hag even praised him yet we haven’t seen him since. It’s just another one of those situations with him that make you question what’s going on upstairs, like when he left Varane on the bench for a long period when we really needed him, it’s a bit loopy.

I personally feel like people want to see Amad so much they're setting the narrative up so there's no reason he shouldn't be playing - but he's not been available all season and had a brief cameo that was good, but nothing to shout out about.

I want Amad to be a success here and when Antony seemed like he was the only option I was desperate for him to start. Him not playing now isn't some great conspiracy, there's loads of reasons he might not be and also like Varane, may end up being in the starting XI by the end of the season.

 

[lex talionis]

I personally feel like people want to see Amad so much they're setting the narrative up so there's no reason he shouldn't be playing - but he's not been available all season and had a brief cameo that was good, but nothing to shout out about.

I want Amad to be a success here and when Antony seemed like he was the only option I was desperate for him to start. Him not playing now isn't some great conspiracy, there's loads of reasons he might not be and also like Varane, may end up being in the starting XI by the end of the season.

That's a pretty harsh perspective given that no one argues that Amad should be starting ahead of Rashford or Garnacho, but in light of Antony's disastrous performances this season you'd think by now, now that he's fully fit that Amad would get more than a few minutes in one appearance. When a club spends 21m in guaranteed money and another 20 in add ons to sign a player that player has to be given a chance when he's fully fit. Some fail their chance, but FFS at least give them a chance. In this case we know for a fact that Amad was brilliant last season with Sunderland, yet when we had the chance to start or even sub him on against a League Two he was nowhere to be found. We won the game 4-2 so there's only so much complaining one can do but it's precisely that kind of opponent where the manager should have given Amad a chance. True, Antony scored a goal and had an assist but the goal was a tap in and although the assist was a job well done it wasn't the kind of assist that is above the known ability of Amad.

At the very least sub him on when it's falling apart for either Rashford or Garnacho but to have him rot on the bench when the need screams for fresh blood does not bode well for Amad's future under this manager, who clearly rates Antony above Amad, a rating I cannot imagine a single United supporter agrees with.

 

[Wrecking ralf]

I’d like to think he’ll get a start over rashford in the cup against Forest. Really interested to see him and Garnacho on either flank.