I don't believe anyone could have criticized tevez for his goalscoring tally. It was already evident that tevez was a technical beast. Morata doesn't give off any vibe of being special. He just looks basic any time I see him on the ball. Maybe his price tag is already damaging my personal view of him. He is a 17 million pound striker and nothing more.
Alvaro Morata | Real Madrid inform Juventus of their decision to salvage Morata's federative rights
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I hope they buy him back and can't sell him. Joke of a club. I mean who does that? They always try and mug off everybody.
He is a back up to Mandzukic. Seems good enough reason for me not to rate him that high.
I see nothing special in the player, rashford is better talent
I definitely remember people criticizing his goal scoring abilities when he first joined us as well as during spells when he went a few games without scoring. At one point debates about Berbatov and Tevez brought out a lot of split opinions, "headless chicken" was a very common description of the guy if I remember correctly. This wasn't on the Caf but I assume similar arguments occured?
But anyway, that's in the past! In regards Morata, I think you are being a little too harsh on him. I didn't mean to infer that he is as good technically as Tevez, I more meant that I think he's a fantastic team player and that it shouldn't all be about goals when judging him. In today's market I'd value him as a 30 million pound player.
You made me spit my beer out you jerk.
As for Morata, definitely no thanks from me. He'll be 24 in a couple of months and I just can't see him being a success in the PL, let alone good enough for a top team.
After Kleberson more like. Anyway truth to be told Fergie did speak from experience, his buys on the back of international tournaments were truly horrific.
Morata has the potential and he was linked with big move long before Euros but, as for his stats, i don't know what the problem is exactly. I mean his goal return is not great, and he does need to raise his finishing. But his all-round play is very good, that stuff he did is still haunting Munich defenders in their nightmares i think. And it shows in stats, he has as many assists as he does goals, 7+7 in Serie A, given he played just 1,500 mins of football it's translate into goal action every 107 minutes. That is certainly not bad. So if anyone thinks he have shitty stats or discard him based on stats, that person is simply missing the point of stats. Taking only one parameter like goals scored and call it "stats" is just being ridiculous.
Yeah I agree 30 million nowadays is the standard price for rich clubs. 30 mill today is probably your 17-21 million fee. I don't think he is a bad player I'm just disgusted at his evaluation when he is very basic. When I look at a striker the first thing that comes to mind is their technique. If that isn't too good then they should be very physical like danny welbeck. I don't think Morata is very technical for a good young striker. He has good pace and is big but still doesn't cut it for me. I just hope city or arsenal pay 60 mill for him. Would make my day.
People are comparing his stats to the 60 million price quoted. If he was quoted at 25 million i doubt anybody would complain about his stats since he has "potential."
Well, i read that he could cost between 35-40m in pounds. I am positive that 35m plus 5m in bonuses will land you Morata easily, that is if he wants to move.
And in today's market that the kind of money that can get you anyone decent. I mean to buy someone as good as Morata for much less is more of steal. It could happen, but it's very tough.
I don't know who to take as a example, but lets say Lacazette, he will cost around 35m pounds himself, plays in less competitive league, with less international pedigree, roughly the same age and he has a goal+assist every 125 minutes. That's worse, while it should be better, given the league level. Lukaku is on 133 minutes in England, that again roughly the same result given that PL is harder to compete in than Serie A, but Lukaku would cost almost certainly more. So on balance of everything, is there a 40m striker that is most certainly better in terms of stats? I don't really see him. I mean Kane or Auba or who else is out there, Lewa although they are older would cost much more.
I agree than 35-40m fee is on the higher end of spectrum, but it's like that because of the contract situation, buy-back, his duration, etc. The thing is there is not much alternative out there. I mean you could buy someone like Embolo for 30m, sure he is much younger, but it hardly is a cheaper investment considering, that while his potential maybe be higher, he could easily end up as useless as Depay. Who we paid 25m to acquire. The revenue increase, fees increase as well, the age when you could have bought Hazard for 30-35m is long gone.
It is interesting that his excellent record in the CL, especially in big games, is so easily disregarded.
I can't believe people saying Rashford is better than him.
Need to take blinkers off. Morata is currently the better player. But in the future perhaps Rashford will be better.
Need to take blinkers off. Morata is currently the better player. But in the future perhaps Rashford will be better.
It is due to his proposed fee that everyone is writing him off. I think he would do well in the prem, isn't lightweight, seems decent in the air, makes good runs.
Dont think id pay the 60m euros Chelsea are reported to be, but yeh, think he will be a hit.
Dont think id pay the 60m euros Chelsea are reported to be, but yeh, think he will be a hit.
I don't think there were too many of those. And while Poborsky didn't work out, he was a good player. Kleberson, well...
Not many, but quite enough.
Jordi is another one, and from what I remember, there are no others.
Always felt he was worth the punt.
http://www.espnfc.com/story/2898704...et-for-real-madrid-return-this-summer-marotta
Beppe expects RM to buy him back and sell him to an EPL club. His best play in Juve has come from the SS position, not as a 'real 9' or 10, he can do a job on the wings but that's not where he's most effective. Strike partner for Ibra and Rashford by Summer 2017? Morata has sounded out that he'd sign with United if they don't get Ibra, but maybe Woodward can give him a nice compensation package to change his mind. Mou rated him as well.
This forward line has all you'll need in the future:
------ Rashford - Morata
Martial --------------- Mahrez/Embolo/Ounas/???
Beppe expects RM to buy him back and sell him to an EPL club. His best play in Juve has come from the SS position, not as a 'real 9' or 10, he can do a job on the wings but that's not where he's most effective. Strike partner for Ibra and Rashford by Summer 2017? Morata has sounded out that he'd sign with United if they don't get Ibra, but maybe Woodward can give him a nice compensation package to change his mind. Mou rated him as well.
This forward line has all you'll need in the future:
------ Rashford - Morata
Martial --------------- Mahrez/Embolo/Ounas/???
Do not want.
I think he could work really, really well in a pretty fluid attack with players like Martial, Mkhitaryan and Rashford supporting but his low goal tally is just far too risky to have him as the starting striker next season.
I can understand the question marks over his goal tally, but it's really not that simple. Morata played about 2400 mins in Serie A and scored 7 goals. Admittedly still not an impressive total, but when he did play he was often played on the wing as Allegri preferred a partnership of Dybala and Mandzukic. You can just see that he's an entirely different player in the CL as, for whatever reason, Allegri prefers him as CF or SS in Europe. He has no real weaknesses, but he's not elite in any facet of the game yet.
Big game player though, tied Del Piero's Juve record for consecutive CL games with a goal.
Big game player though, tied Del Piero's Juve record for consecutive CL games with a goal.
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Why on Earth would he agree to be a Real-pawn? Like a piece of fecking furniture?
I'd tell them to go feck themselves and sign an extension with Juve. fecking Madrid, what a scummy scummy thing to do.
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He'll get paid very well.
He'll get paid better if he signs directly from Juve to the EPL club.
Real want €60m for him. Juve can sell him for €40, saving the EPL club 20m extra for his wages.
I'll say it again, why the feck would he agree to this? Sounds like the scummiest thing I've heard in a long time.
Madrid Statement
Phase 1 complete!
This is why I hate Madrid. They are actually willing to buy a player just to sell him for a profit. I hope nobody attempts buying him unless it's Mancity for 60 million. They are looking for a way to fund pogba. Morata is also an idiot if he decided to go along with it. When nobody decides to buy him for such a price then he will realize he has wasted his career on the bench.
Can he actually refuse to go back though?
All the reported jigsaw pieces are falling into place. Wouldn't surprise me if he ends up with Conte come August. Weird though Juventus agreeing to the buyback
are they allowed to sell him in the same transfer period in which they bought him?
Dont think so. It is written into both player and club contracts that the buyback is binding i think
He should be. He is the one signing the contract.
yeh, as Madrid wont have to register him until end of August, so if they sell him mid July, it makes no difference
COMUNICADO OFICIAL | 21/06/2016
El Real Madrid C. F. ha comunicado a la Juventus FC la decisión de rescatar los derechos federativos del jugador Álvaro Morata, que se incorporará al primer equipo en la pretemporada a las órdenes de Zinedine Zidane.
If that's the case how do they decide the player wages. If the player isn't satisfied with the wages being offered then how do they sign him regardless of the binding contract. I doubt there is also a binding estimated salary included in the previous contract.
That is a fair point. I have no idea how theyd work that out, unless they just match whatever Juventus were paying him
Yhe i mean when they signed him, should have offered Madrid few more million to remove the buyback clause